A Delaware animal shelter is working to find new homes for thousands of chicks that were left abandoned in a U.S. Postal Service truck for three days.
Delaware’s Department of Agriculture said it received a call earlier this month from USPS saying the Postal Service had an “undeliverable box of baby birds.” About 12,000 chicks had been shipped from the Pennsylvania-based Freedom Ranger Hatchery to farms across the country.
State agricultural officials say that when they found the chicks at a USPS distribution center in Delaware, around 4,000 were dead.
Wouldn’t happen in a vegan world.
Things could be different, but they’re not
Yeah so let’s see if people want to change or just cry about the poor animals while shoving kfc in their mouth.
That’s called a straw man and it discredits your point. Frame your argument better. Or don’t.
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This isn’t how you’ll convince anyone to change. It just feeds stereotypes.
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So just crying and not changing anything and smugly proud of it, got it.
Lol, the dislikes are very telling. If you put personal opinions aside this statement is 100% logical, but people can’t help but feel attacked when their hypocrisy is pointed out.
Yes, in a vegan world this would not happen because we wouldn’t be raising billions of farm animals, we wouldn’t treat them like something you ship in the mail, and no one would be buying 12000 chicks.
But people read this and can’t handle the reality that these situations happen because they want (not need) to consume animal products. Not to mention the hypocrisy of caring about these chicks while not caring about the ones being grinded to death every day for them to enjoy eggs and meat.
In a vegan world, chickens, cows, and other livestock would go extinct because humans would no longer have a use for them.
I have chickens because i like them a lot. I don’t eat them. Are dogs extinct because people don’t eat them for some reason?
No. I’m downvoting for other reasons like the comment coming out of the left field and being smug. I absolutely agree with it but bruh, obviously in a utopian world things would be perfect. Pointing out the obvious to explain what could be avoided feels condescending.
It’s not utopion if a lot of people are already doing it.
You can’t have smugness in such a short and concise comment. I jave no idea what intention was in the writer’s mind and neither do you.
Left field? This situation is a direct result of the animal products industry. Sure this comment is looking at the bigger picture, but it is very much on topic.
And you know what? even if it was smug, while not the best way to make a point, i think that when your point is valid the smugness is negligible.
You absolutely can have smugness even with a single word given the context, and Lemmy and society at large have provided plenty of context in the form of a questionable activism and social trends & attitudes and drama. Given this, I can deduce some things, it’s not so out of reach.
And besides, arguing my opinions on why I downvoted someone doesn’t seem as important to me as addressing the extremely inaccurate take by the other guy.
I wish that were true. I can’t count the times people have ignored reason because I was slightly smug to someone in that same sentence 😅
What extreme inaccuracy?
Their weird rationalization for why people are downvoting the vegan comment. I agree with its sentiment but not its delivery is my point, as a counter example to their reasoning bias.
I personally don’t think that there is enough text in that comment to accurately decide if it was smug or not, but even if you believe that it was smug, I’m not gonna tell you you’re wrong, but if you agree that the point is correct and you’re only downvoting it because of how it was worded, I think you’re doing more damage to the Lemmy community than you’re doing good, since even if it is a smug comment it is not overtly smug, it is not disrespectful, and the point is valid and very important considering that animal lives are already overlooked and undervalued.
Yeah, and it’s tied to what I said earlier. There was some thought behind it lol
Let’s not. I sincerely did not vote either way because I also agree with the sentiment, but I commented as if I had (down) voted because of the friction it creates in my mind. We don’t need to go around arbitrarily assigning blame.
100% your reading of it and just confirming the previous comment
could be the shittiest world and we still wouldn’t need to eat animals
Well of course it’s a reading given the social context and the overall discourse on Lemmy. It does not exist in a vacuum. And that does not confirm any previous comment, what does that even mean. Lol
I’m not arguing that
What do you think will happen to chickens, cows and other animals once we stop protecting them (for our consumption, but still)?
Mate you gotta have a fucked up definition of protection ngl.
These animals only exist in the first place because we breed them into existence. There are no wild factory farm chickens or cows or pigs.
If you are iffed about my reaction to the word “protection”, please watch Dominion and then tell me about where in the documentary animals are protected. Warning, it shows the entire factory farm animal life cycle including the gory bits.
Can you put a content warning for gore on your comment? Sorry to ask, but there are annoying, rather pathetic anti-vegan trolls that try to get vegans banned. You can show prepared meals with meat in them or even raw processed meat, but not the actual process. Don’t want people to have feelings when they look at meat after all. Unfortunately if you mention veganism outside of a vegan community, you will attract this troll.
Yeah I noticed lol. I expanded the warning I included, thanks :)
Yes, protecting your food or income is still a protection, even if it sounds fucked up when talking about animals.
Mate, this was literally my point. You’re crying about few dead thousand, but want a genocide.
Watched it years ago, but I’m pretty sure I saw walls, fences and everything else necessary to protect them from other animals killing them young.
I fully understand it’s a fucked up situation, but the extreme changes you want to do will end up even more fucked up, we should just really let it run it’s natural cycle because lab meat is rapidly becoming widely available and will outcompete farming animals.
Note that I hardly eat meat, mostly when offered and not wanting to say no, but I’m trying to stay objective on this whole mess
You’re definitely using the word genocide incorrectly here. A genocide would imply that the other commenter wants us to kill all farm animals right now, when in reality what they’re saying is that they want us to stop artificially breeding them, meaning not creating new life. As for the animals that already exist, yeah ideally we’d find some way to help them live their lives out, but realistically this change isn’t gonna happen in one day, it’s gonna take years, and as we reduce artificial insemination these animals will stop existing and so this issue of having all of these animals around won’t be real.
This is the equivalent of using a condom, not the equivalent of shooting someone in the face.
If humans had masters and they forced us to use condoms to prevent more of us, I’m pretty sure this checks out some definition of genocide
EDIT: Russia fully takes over Ukraine and implements a law where you can no longer make children. Is this a genocide?
That is not analogous to the situation. Instead russia would not force the Ukrainians to produce children. Is that genocide?
But guy above quite clearly implied ban under vegan world, not natural cycle where farming will become obsolete.
Your example is closer to what I said we should do.
this is a plan that would lead eventually to the total destruction of the species. it’s genocide
Wrong word again. You mean extinction. A complete genocide of a species is a subset of extinction but extinction is not equal to or a subset of genocide.
choosing a course of action that results surely in extinction is genocidal
Wait, so not artificially breeding more individuals of a species is a genocide? Is it genocide when a guy jizzes into a sock too? Come on, don’t be ridiculous.
Lab meat has been around the corner about as long as a fully self driving tesla which totally, absolutely will happen in two weeks, promise.
The fact is, we don’t need to eat animals, we do it for (taste) pleasure and everything done to those animals should be viewed through this lense. Saying “I will just wait for lab meat” is a cheap excuse at best.
maybe you don’t. you don’t know what anyone else needs
Nah that’s not how it works. We all need nutrients and as long as those nutrients can be consumed in a bioavailable form it doesn’t matter (for the body) where they come from.
Edit: just saw your profile and you seem to be a rage troll so I won’t be engaging further with you. Byee
calling me names doesn’t change the truth of what I’m saying
you aren’t my doctor or my nutritionist. you don’t know what I need, or anyone else.
and people need more than nutrients
Someone failed their science classes.
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It’s a story about the miserable life and death of young sensitive beings. Either you downvoted because you think that’s a good thing in the US, either out of cognitive dissonance as you wouldn’t feel well accepting @🦄🦄🦄 has a point.
I do really think downvoters should set aside their feelings, coldly consider the situation, and if you still think the comment was harmful, yeah, downvote. Please don’t shun others because they have different practices, we are better than that.
It’s just trying to hijack a post to discuss a related issue they’d rather talk about. That’s the perfect reason for a downvote.
Animal suffering and veganism are deeply intertwined topics. By analogy, would you be this mad at someone raising issue with the catholic church on a news article about child abuse by priests?
News article shows poor treatment of animals because people want to eat them, or the eggs they lay. Commenter says “gee, if we didnt ask for those things this wouldn’t happen”. Enlightened lemmy users downvote. Cool.
There’s a substantial number of Lemmy users who reflexively downvote anything that even mentions the word “vegan,” regardless of the context, tone, or point of a comment. You got downvoted, I’m gonna get downvoted, and it just goes to show that even in such a seemingly leftist space, the spirit of “reflexively dismiss anything I disagree with” is alive and well.
It’s been getting worse since more reddit users have been coming over.
I’ve noticed that too. For a while, Lemmy users denounced bringing old Reddit baggage to this site. There was a sense of “we are not Reddit, we can form our own culture, without the old toxicity of Reddit.” I think a lot of us still believe that, but the recent months have brought waves of Redd-fugees that don’t know and haven’t adapted to that difference yet.
I mean yeah, they wouldn’t have existed in the first place.
Probably still preferable to a short life of torture before being murdered.
Yep. Thanks for agreeing.
Yeah it’s the PETA approach of “let’s protect these animals by euthanizing them so they can’t later be harmed.”
Factory farming for the vast majority of chickens, is life-long enslavement in torturous conditions.
Hundreds of billions of non-aquatic animals are enslaved by factory farmers every year.
Trillions of fish are enslaved in factory farms every single year.
What about all the hundreds of billions of plant-based lifeforms enslaved on factory farms every year before being culled? Why aren’t you concerned about them too?
If you are genuinely interested in the vegan position, I’d happily answer (or you could have used a search engine and gotten millions of answers). Something tells me you’re not being genuine in your motivation.
In short: there is no sentience and thus, no capacity for suffering inside plants as far as we know based on scientific consensus. Animals do have this. Hence why I care about taking a knife to an animals throat and slicing it, and not about chopping a carrot.
Even if you believe for whatever bum fuck spiritualist reason that plants can suffer, you can minimize plant usage by going vegan. Keeping all those farm animals alive requires (plantbased) feed, so cutting out the middle man reduces the number of plants wasted.
no, you can’t. the industry doesn’t change it’s growth due to vegans.
What do you mean? You think there is no supply demand at play in food production?
this can’t be proven
Should we, according to you, grant the same amount of ethical consideration to a tomato as to a cat/pig/bird/etc? Do you actually believe there is a sentient being in a plant, or a rock for that matter?
Our best scientific understanding is that a CNS is essential for sentience, and there is no serious evidence support plant sentience. You can play the philospher and argue this, but then technically you can’t prove human sentience outside your own (if that). Should we go kill humans?
Anyway. I see you’re not serious in this conversation and are just trolling. Have a good one.