This thread is like Monty Python’s “Life of Brian”. Half the people here are the People’s Front of Judea and the other half are the Judean People’s Front.
Or better yet, we’re like the Maya Pei Brigade arc from the first few episodes of season two of Star Wars Andor.
Trump, Stephen Miller, Meloni, Orban, Farage, Weidel, Le Pen and the rest love watching us fight each other. It’s one of their most effective tactics.
So many Europeans in here clearly taking the rage bait yet acting like they’re still the high ground is so funny lol
If you really want to piss off Europeans all you gotta do is make the claim that the EU is subsurvient to US foreign policy demands which means they’ll throw away any of their beneficial policies or laws to retain good standing in the US hegemony, no matter how absurd or insane US leadership is.
That’s the funny thing, things are finally changing in that regard! Anti US-led policies and projects to disconnect ourselves from the nasty fingers that have led us astray for far too long :)
They didn’t give away Greenland when the Donnie asked. That’s a grudgin’
I love the flag in the background, is it a fictional one from a timeline where the EU colonized the US? Is it your fetish?
Just in case you’re ignorant and not making a terrible joke that’s the original flag from when it was just the initial 13 colonies
That’s the Betsy Ross flag, dawg
I’m not your dawg, broski
Has the American brain not developed sarcasm yet?
Just saying something stupid online isn’t sarcasm.
Vasaalstatesayswhat
If it makes you feel any better, I want you back. Polanski of UK Greens wants out of NATO and into an EU-exclusive military alliance
I want the US to go to rehab and then move back in with us. I’ll even make your favorite dish: string cheese
Same. They need to do something about the educational system and the propaganda machines being run by billionaires when/if they get a sane government again. Otherwise this shit will just happen again
As an American, that’s basically what I want. I want us to change, reform, and learn to live as a valued member in a community of nations.
learn to take the criticism then
Learn to make real critiques instead of stupid pointless shit then
Calling other people’s opinions stupid is rich coming from the country that elected Donald Trump…
Twice…
How is the AFD doing lately?
Well, I’m not the one to ask, they’re not in my country. But they are not even close to having 50% of votes, nor have they ever provided a chancellor in Germany
But they are not even close to having 50% of votes
Neither did hitler.
Wow straight to the Godwin huh?
The Far Right is rising EVERYWHERE. Before criticizing America, they should realize that we’re just the canary in the coalmine, and they should take care of their own countries, because THEY are next. They should be rooting for the Left to take back America, because that’s what they have to do in their own countries, too.
Besides, wishing for America’s demise is stupid. The economies of every country in the world is tied directly or indirectly to the American economy. If America truly collapses, it will bring down the entire world. Like it or not, it’s the TRUTH.
We must form an international popular front that includes dissidents of nations that have fallen to the far right such as the US, Russia, and until recently Hungary.
The economies of every country in the world is tied directly or indirectly to the American economy.
And that’s undeniably a bad thing. And since US will never allow anything else as long as they’re perceived as strong, maybe their collapse will be the only path forward.
The same was said about EU and Russia before the war started, “everyone” was saying that EU depends on Russian oil so much, the second Russia stops selling, EU economy will collapse. And when it finally happened, it turned out to be a nothingburger.
It’s possible that this incredible American dependence is also a bunch of empty bolstering.Our far right wants free health care, free dental, HBTQIA+ rights and higher pensions.
For now. They’ll say anything to get elected, then they’ll enact their bullshit plans.
Oh, the Swedish Democrats party? Yeah, they’re cool with gay people existing, but think marriage certification should be allowed to be denied on a case by case basis. They also hate foreigners and trans people.
I’m not endorsing SD, I fucking hate them. I’m just saying that there’s a world of difference between the far right in many European countries, compared to the far right in the USA.
That’s called lying and hiding their true agenda.
Which is exactly what happened in the US. (Pre Trump, obviously)
Sure they do.
Why the everloving fuck wouldn’t they? Sweden’s far right is wayyyyy left of the DNC.
They say they do (except the LGBTQ+ part, I don’t really see that) , but they actually don’t. They make wild promises (with no plans), only to then “realise” that it’s harder than they though.
They just say that to make them more palatable and undermine actual left wing parties. The amount of times I’ve heard from far-right voters in my country that the difference between their far right party and the socialist party is really small and that they are “economically pretty left”, is insane.
The suck, I’m just saying the Overton window in much of Europe isn’t really comparable to the discourse in the USA. It would be instant suicide for them to even appear as though they want to limit free health care, abortion or gay rights.
They got rid of a really competent (not praise from me, just an assessment) top politician over her resistance against the right to free abortions. That’s where Sweden’s far right is.
lmao
You should readjust your irony detector.
Somehow I doubt that…
My new favorite statistic is that more people die in Europe due to heat related deaths than people die of gun violence in the US per year.
Why?
Except for the fact that the US and EU count heatwave deaths differently, in the US, its checked if the person actually died because of a heatstroke. In the EU, a lot of other deaths which aren’t heatstrokes but are heat related are counted as heat death.
More precisely: for the US, they only checked if the “cause of death” field on the certificate mentions heat but EU statistics compare to a model of how many deaths would have occurred without a heatwave. Of course heat makes lots of indirect deadly circumastances more likely. We don’t have recent studies on heat deaths with similar methodology to compare both regions but at least the gun death statistics are more clear-cut.
Also, this is a bit cynical but people who die to heat usually had preexisting conditions and were statistically likely to die in 10 years anyway. Meanwhile most gun deaths are young adults whose productive careers were cut short.
I think with “productive careers” you meant “lives”, but I guess I’m not American enough to value life over producing. (jk)
I already said I’m being a bit cynical. I can move it up a notch and even thank heat waves for culling old, sickly people who would otherwise keep using taxpayer-funded healthcare for a few more years.
That was a narrative for Covid19 death report denial as well.
I’m not comparing heatwave deaths to heatwave deaths though. i’m comparing gun related deaths to heat related deaths. More people die of heat related causes in Europe than gun related causes in the US per year.
Yeah man if only we had ways to protect our most vulnerable from the unavoidable natural environmental danger of firearms.
It’s really too bad that, like the heat, gun violence is just a part of nature and we just have to live with it.
My friend, those stats don’t mean what you want them to mean. The narrative you are trying to sell is frankly ridiculous and criminally stupid. And dare I say - American
How do you mean? That heat related deaths do not actually mean heat related deaths? People drowning in an overcrowded pool and kids left in hot cars are heat related. Just like a suicide by firearm is firearm related.
But please, explain to my feeble American mind how heat related doesnt actually mean heat related.
I shouldn’t have to explain it because it’s common sense.
In fact, I’m willing to bet that if we were to change the focus of our comparison from apples and oranges (which is what comparing gun-related deaths in the US to heat-related deaths in European countries comes down to, not to mention the vast differences in data collection approaches across disciplines, countries, etc.) to another pair of equally uncomparable fruit but one that you are not so strongly predisposed to thinkinking a certain way about, you would have the same reaction as I. Chuckle a little bit.
Why, you might ask? For the simple reason that comparing apples to oranges doesn’t make sense unless you’ve been predisposed for it to seem like it makes sense.
And no, this is obviously not a uniquely American issue (I wish it were but it’s definitely universal for all of us chimps). It’s just that this specific comparison, absurd as it is, has a uniquely American flavour because it’s clearly meant to rationalize the exceptially high levels of gun violence in the US.
And yes, “exceptional” is definitely the right word to describe gun violence in the US. You start to appreciate just how exceptional when you compare US numbers to literally any other wealthy nation. Now we’re comparing apples to apples and things start making a lot more sense, don’t you think?
Is that the gold you stole from the natives?
Wait is this aimed at America or Europe?
Sorry. Not all of us were able to get our country’s gold from the nazis.
I’ll have you know most of us got our gold long before the nazis came to power.
We had colonies to exploit.
No. They earned it by mining land stolen from natives.
No. They earned it by forcing slaves to mine the land stolen from their Indigenous people.
I love when Europeans talk about American slavery and colonialism like its not one of Europe’s favorite pastimes too.
Oh it is. Im Canadian and our history is bad too. I just like making fun of Americans.
I get it, it’s easy to make fun of us. i just hate holier than thou european chodes who take things seriously.
To be fair, a lot of the world feels that way about Americans. We certainly do up here. Just look at the 51st state rhetoric. Its obnoxious.
Ya that’s how that works. Don’t talk shit about my homophobic, racist, pedophile billionaire loving shit hole! It’s my God dammed shit hole!
Europeans should be self aware enough to recognize that the most devastating criticism of Trump are direct comparisons to historic European tyrants. And forget about Hitler or Mussolini. Donald Trump at his worst can’t even measure up to Leopold II.
Very slight difference to note. Leopold II was alive 150 years ago. Trump is alive today.
Also, Leopold II wasn’t elected once. Let alone twice
Idk if we can call first past the post, winner take all, electoral college, elections as comparable to most European elections. If anything, the US president is lawfully closer to a king than many modern democracies.
That is an insane argument. You are saying anybody whose country went through a genocidal dictator can’t criticize Trump because he’s not as bad yet? WTF?
Not that they shouldn’t criticize — but the shear pretentiousness to come in and pretend it could never happen in their countries, when it already had.
Never mind that in those examples that they gave, none of them were elected like Trump was:
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Hitler lost the election for president; but was later appointed as chancellor by the guy that won after political pressure;
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Mussolini was appointed by the king after threats of paramilitary force;
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Leopold II was a hereditary monarch
Sorry US bros. I like you and I love you depending on the days. But just like the French will never live down the white flag meme, you will never live down that you elected a pedophile fascist TWICE.
I mean, I didn’t elect him. The other stupid people did.
The problem with that argument, especially on Lemmy, is that… Well actually basically none of us voted for him, thus we didn’t elect him, he was just elected by the other people
I would give them a pass to shit on the people here who loudly and prouly scream that they did not vote at all. Depending on the communities that you focus on, you may get the impression that every Amercan on lemmy did not vote, and just want to piss and cry that they did not get the candidate (or communist revolution) that they preferred. Am American and voted for Kamala, not because I actively wanted her, but because you have to be pretty far gone to not be able to see she would have been better on EVERY front, INCULDING PALESTINE!
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Ah yes. A whataboutism will make everything right. Maybe we should have sent some smarter guys back in 1492
They weren’t sending us their best, that’s for sure.
Right, Leopold II didn’t shit his pants
Right? Trump’s nothing but a Temu dictator that was actually elected into that position rather than a proper tyrant dictator.
The US can’t even do despotism right.
As a Brit I fucking hate the royal family and their soft power and their wealth, but I’d argue that Trump has more of both and is heading for more than a royal has had in a Western country in living memory.
Man’s not heading for anything but the grave lmao, have you seen him lately? 50/50 odds he dies of natural causes before the midterms, I bet they’ll try to weekend at Bernie’s him for at least a few days.
My preferred comparison is to Napoleon III. It’s not a perfect match, but provides a lot of comparisons: the attack on freedoms, the incompetent political appointees, the unwise foreign wars, the puffed-up overconfidence and the sheer mediocrity…
EU is just on a slower path to fascism.
Nah, tbh I was shitting my pants a year ago but most far-right parties have plateaued or reversed in the polls recently. I think we just might have too few morons to turn far-right. Juuuuuust might.
America bravely jumped in front of the bus for you, you are welcome.
Slower path? They are waiting to reboot their original fascism.
Nah, it’s a new brand this time
Not if we stop the fash parties.
You’re probably not gonna stop the facists.
I didn’t use the royal we.
Well yes, because of US and russian interference.
Well, US interference is so blatant and obnoxious that is actually counterproductive. Trump getting elected stopped a few far right movements, and others lost momentum.
Paying 2000 people in St petersburg to shit post non stop about immigration, works. Sending vance to deliver a speech, doesn’t.
Or Elon Musk the basement dweller chud who is constantly shit posting on his pro pedo social media website and funding for far right parties in Europe certainly isn’t helping either.
Innocent Europeans would NEVER do a fascism without a wicked Other forcing them to do it!
Girls, girls. You’re all pretty. It’s capitalists who are dragging the whole world towards fascism, don’t get it twisted with nationality
Idk mate… They kinda ugly tbh
Didn’t y’all invent it?
Yea we did
I swear to god the US is simply incapable of original ideas. Fascism? Stole it from us. Nuclear bombs? European scientists. Absolutely destroying native populations? Uhm, hello? WE literally did that. Like… that’s why you even exist today. You’re WELCOME /sarcasm
Tried it out too. That’s why I hope it won’t be a full roll over.
I would never clap back a Europeans criticizing the USA. It would be impolite, and they’re usually right anyway. I’d love to move to the EU someday too; but it won’t happen because the only thing they hate more than USians are brown Muslims 😔.
only thing they hate more than USians are brown Muslims 😔.
You forgot Romani people
Dude Romanians hate them so much it breaks my brain… I hate it here
I’m not sure about that. Each time there’s conflict between Romani gangs and Muslim gangs the fascists always cheer for the Romani.
The fascist party of my country actually has some good support among the Romani communities.
Honestly I don’t know about that
But they’re both definitely more hated than Trumpistanians
God dude looking at comment threads of people in Europe talking about the Romani is genuinely sickening.
It is a self-serving circle. People assign certain behaviors to Romani, refusing to take them as a part of the society. Then the Romani will act that way, since it is expected anyway, and there is barely chances to do otherwise. And the cycle has continued for a long time, creating a culture that is not only shunned by the society, but also sees itself not being a part of the society, so their actions reflect on that. Stopping the cycle is incredibly difficult, as the racism is ingraved deep. That does not mean, that it should not be the goal, though.
Got to honor my South and Central American homies 🫡
That’s nice and all, but you’ll get the same look as someone saying “Latinx” IRL
LOL that’s okay, IRL I’m not usually speaking to a global audience, so I just say American. And I’m weird enough I get funny looks no matter what I say anyway 😆 .
facts sadly
Our Epstein class let in a ton of brown Muslims, it didn’t went well for the local population.
To be fair, right now all EU is not high on any kind of immigration, because of above-mentioned + housing crisis + working condition going down.
The second you speak the local language though, that perception changes 180.
Our Epstein class let in a ton of brown Muslims, it didn’t went well for the local population.
What you meant to say, is that we bombed the shit out of their homes and then started screeching about the people seeking asylum?
To be fair, right now all EU is not high on any kind of immigration, because of above-mentioned + housing crisis + working condition going down.
Also we kinda let them drown on Mediterranean sea, and treated the ones coming in like shit, that helped a bit
The second you speak the local language though, that perception changes 180.
Bullshit, then starts the complaining how they speak so badly and don’t understand what you’re saying etc. For some reason many people take it as a personal insult that someone speaks their language badly, rather than as a compliment that the person has gone through the efforts to learn it
Yes. It’s all your fault and mine. We are both the Epstein class and we are directly responsible for both manufacturing the wars and invasions, the refugee crisis (which definitely did not contribute to worsening the power of working class across Europe with influx of workers who did not join the unions and had to accept to work for less to survive), etc. etc. It’s definitely our fault, and thus EU fault.
I also don’t really remember EU bombing Africa or Middle East, only USA & UK, who are famously not part of the EU, but sure.
Bullshit, then starts the complaining how they speak so badly and don’t understand what you’re saying etc.
I do not presume to know about the shithole you’re living in, but in Poland the moment a foreigner tries to speak Polish (yes, even the hated “brown Muslims”) this doesn’t happen. Heck, there’s even a chain of Vietnamese restaurants that is marketing itself making jokes about expecting racism and not receiving it.
rather than as a compliment that the person has gone through the efforts to learn it
Yeah, no. The effort is expected. You compliment on exceeding expectations, not for meeting the bare minimum.
Our Epstein class let in a ton of brown Muslims, it didn’t went well for the local population.
“Uh hyuk it didn’t went well.”
We don’t take kindly to racism here. Go away. Preferably kill yourself, but that’s your prerogative.
Please keep your USian death culture to yourself. Get help.
You literally believe your equivalent of the shit Fox News tells you, go to hell with your lame ass.
Here’s some UK data on the subject. The US data looks similar.
UK is not in EU, USian.
And of course, one country having X magically makes it true everywhere in the world. Classic definition of cultural imperialism.
If you - for some fucking reason - want to compare crimes rate (why did you even went there?) - then in Germany almost half of violent crimes and sex crimes are committed by the foreign-born, with Africans and Arabs making most of the offenders - at least according to their statistics: https://moenchengladbach.polizei.nrw/sites/default/files/2025-03/pks-2024_bericht-zur-pk.pdf
France: https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/actualites/communiques-de-presse/insecurite-et-delinquance-en-2024-premiere-photographie-de-delinquance-enregistree (~40% thefts are committed by the foreign-born. But hey, at least they are not overrepresented in violent crimes!)
Sweden: Almost 1/3 of violent crimes: https://bra.se/download/18.45e4b8e192705389a34c2b/1729515966490/2021_9_Registered_offending_among_persons.pdf (but Sweds don’t say so directly, they just give proportion, so then you have to go and multiply it by the amount of foreign-born individuals to get the rate of offenders.
This is why Americans laugh at European racists. “But the statistics shhhooowwww 🤓🤓🤓”
Do the world a favor and end your life
I mean, foreign born does include our eastern European neighbours :)
It does, and also includes your western european neighbors too :) The country of origin is also visible in (some of) the stats, interestingly Ukrainians in Germany crime stats are underrepresented 3 times compared to the baseline, while (IIRC) Somali at 8 times the baseline.
That’s all us euros would expect from a nation comprised of the rest of the world’s rejects.
I’d rather be guilty of that than of being the ones who rejected them.
hey friend, we take the good with the bad. most of us like it that way. some of us have forgotten the dream this country was built on. usually it happens when they get too much money. truth is, it’s always just been the ones with money making sure the rest of us stay divided. 🤷♂️
it’s the ones with money that give a shit about borders and that foment hate between their lessers to make sure we never get it together.
12,000 years of this shit, at least.
Who? Australia?
Oi! You cheeky cunt, we’re not all fuckin drongos down here. Now, hold still while I glass ya.
world’s rejects
Yep, that’s us ;)
counterpoint
Counter-counterpoint
Is that really a counterpoint though?
Americans are unable to grasp the concept of per capita.
ok so i googled that, and tf is Israel doing up there??
Euros are unable to grasp the concept of immigration.
Does that mean if we all stop legit criticisms, y’all stop feeling irrationally inferior and become normal?
This comment is so stupid lol wtf
Most criticism is stupid petty bullshit like “ur cheese bad hurr durr” or just spamming the word cheeseburger
Lol what maybe don’t hang out with children idk cheeseburger
At least we europoors know the usa‘s real birthday is July 2nd
