It’s kinda loud in here, did the headline say ‘piece of shit fuckface Trump gives Canada reason #563 to stop trading with the US and increase trade with Europe, China, etc’?
Pretty much, yes. They just don’t get over there?! Whoohoohoo!!!
Basically: you are getting those F-35’s whether you want them or not.
I hate this timeline, but that’s funny
I was walking past the 7-11 the other day and the manager came out and forced me to buy a slurpee by gunpoint. USA! USA! /s
He said if I didn’t, he’d forcefeed a slurpee down my throat, at his expense.
Canada would be dumb to go forward, everyone knows the US has kill switches in their gear and now might hostilely engage canada, perhaps to steal territory, and otherwise has talked of invading other nato countries like in Greenland.
In which case the US could brick all of the gear they sold them. It’s already bad enough, Canada has to buy from EADS or whomever builds their air forces, I would not trust the UK either at this point, they are properfucked by their own neoliberal type politicians in labour, that have done more damage than the tories the past couple of years…
If the Americans put kill switches in gear they sold to Canada, that is a reason for Canada to NOT buy more gear with kill switches. Instead, Canada should resecure their supply chain of military equipment.
Yeah that was what I was saying too. The US is the enemy now. Sadly but there it is. Maybe the new supreme leader will make nice, but I doubt it.
Buy our fighter jets or we’ll send you fighter jets
Sounds like free delivery.
For free(dom)
Everybody calm down. USA and Canada have an agreement allowing them to enter each other’s air space. They said that if Canada doesn’t buy enough F-35s USA will have to send more jests into Canada’s airspace to fill in the gaps. That’s it. It’s not “buy our jets or we will invade you”. It’s “if Canada doesn’t buy F-35 we will have to do more work in our agreement”.
“Such a nice airspace you have here, it would be a shame if something would happen to it” Also doesn’t say they would invade… still it’s a clear threat.
Putting a correlation on “more fighters jets in your airspace” on them buying more planes that cannot really be used to protect from the US (for software limitations) sounds a lot like a threat.
But, sure, you are technically correct
Is that what the pundits said about the president and his appointee threatening canada again? Yeah he threatened them but what he meant was best friends forever! Kind of a hard sell at this point I’m afraid. The US is the enemy, they are deeply hostile make no mistake, in league with Russia to blow up Nato, and in a confrontation with the west over territory could trip the kill switches they have in high end military gear they sell, bricking those jets.
But why isn’t Canada allowed to use whatever other jets it buys for that? Why does it have to be American made f-35s?
They are saying it is because of compatibility issues I assume. Everything is likely tied together to communicate based on the planes being F-35s.
Seems like something easy enough to fix by installing those same communication systems into the other planes.
But Hoekstra warned that if Canada chooses to purchase Saab’s Gripen E jets, the U.S. would still need to reconsider how it works with its northern neighbor on security.
“If they decide they’re going with an inferior product that is not as interchangeable, interoperable as what the F-35 is, that changes our defense capability,” Hoekstra said.
“And as such, we have to figure out how we’re going to replace that,” the ambassador added.
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They are just saying that if Canada changes its plans US will have to adapt. Looking at what’s happening in Greenland this can be somehow considered as a threat (if you can’t defend yourself we will have to take over…) but it’s really a stretch. US will probably decide to deploy more F-35s there or something which makes total sense.
Idk. Sounds like the US whining but I guess a news article also isn’t going to reveal exact security terms and threats. Canada was going to use the same number of planes but from a different country and manufactured on Canadian soil with Canadian jobs. I think thats the biggest “threat” trump is worried about.
Also you should consider seperating your opinion from the quoted text using mark up.
This community really needs a clickbait title flagging process.
Our media needs to fucking quit the click baity titles.
The process is RTFA :)
return to fucking acronym. english is hard
Cute, but its obvious everybody checks replies first and you do so specifically to avoid giving clicks to bad actors so they can draw people in to sell ads
Bad headlines will get worse if you RTFA after falling for the clickbait. The incentives are fucked.
That’s why some of us have to do the hard work of reading before replying.
Which is why a flagging process creates a better incentive loop and reduces stupid incentives.
You are right. The title is so misleading and I can’t believe someone with the title journalist on their resume wrote it.
They’ve used everything they’ve learned to twist the words into bait
Does Trump’s family have stock in Lockheed Martin? If they want them to have F-35s so badly then subsidize the cost for them. They are jacking up the price.
Who knows about stock holdings but we do know Trump accepts
bribes, er donations, from American corporations.
What
Buy our fighters jets or we invade with fighter jets ?
What absolute fuck is wrong with this country
Nobody reads.
No, I definitely read.
Canada doesn’t want to pay for the massive cost overruns. The US said “fine, but we’ll have to shore up the NORAD system by sending OUR fighters into YOUR airspace as necessary.” If there is no agreement as to how that occurs and the US does it anyway, that is an invasion. Quite literally.
So if they don’t buy any we’re just gonna give them out free? That’s dumb.
The Art of the Deal.
With a pilot, apparently.
This is just robbery, we weren’t able to make our schedule and modified the price. “$27.7 billion in cost – up from its initial $19 billion.”
Yet expect them to just give us $7 billion dollars because we failed to meet the contract?
Stupid motherfuckers haven’t learned anything from the past year. They actually think they can just bully and harass everyone into submission. They’re losing more and more influence every day.
Duh. That’s how extortion works.
You think the mob ever delivered anything on time and under budget?
Now I want a short story where the Mob accidentally hires the most effective project manager ever
There’s actually an anime where a corporate worker gets summoned into another world because they need him to use his efficiency to get their shit together.
It’s called “Headhunted to Another World: From Salaryman to Big Four!”, and it’s pretty good.
This is how the mafia works. Its the only business trump knows.
“Give us money or we will attack you” is generally not something you say to an ally you want to keep. Trump is literally insane, trying to start WW3.
In his narcissistic mind, everyone else is just there for him to exploit. He literally can not comprehend any other way to do things.
It’s extortion, the only thing trump knows…
“Buy or weapons or else…” Maybe we should look for a more reliable supplier and close our airspace to their jet fighters.
There isn’t one, the only stealth fighters are in the US or Russia/China. If you don’t have stealth fighters at all you will lose very badly in an air war against someone that does. That’s just how it is, you have an overwhelming advantage if you can shoot your enemy but they can’t even see you at range.
Air superiority has never won a war.
Source: History.
Buying weapons from a country that threaten to annexe you is not a long term solution neither. But yes it take time to build a new supply chain
That’s technically a declaration of war, right?
NORAD already has shared skies provisions. US jets can fly into our airspace as needed to intercept foreign attackers. We can do the same with them.
None of this constitutes a threat, despite Hoekstra’s weird, fumbling attempt to deliver it like one.
He basically said “If you don’t give us your business, we’ll have no choice but to protect your airspace even harder!” Oh, wow, scary. No, please, don’t do that.
Not even close.
They’re suggesting that Canada won’t be able to defend its own airspace so US will have to be able to operate more freely in Canadian than they already do. They are saying that the NORAD agreement would need to be updated to accommodate this.
Pretty sure that is the exact explanation that Russia uses when it violates Finnish and Swedish airspace.
And neither Finland nor Sweden are at war with Russia. Bullshit scare tactic used by fucking putin yes, but it’s not itself an act of war. At least, it isn’t generally treated as such.
You seem to be applying a pretty strict definition to what is actually an arbitrary term. An act of war can be anything that any nation wants to call an act of war.
So I guess we should probably just use some of the countries involved in the real life case we are talking about.
Does anyone consider violation of airspace by a nations warplanes to be in-and-of-itself an act of war or at least a proactive action worthy of escalation and retaliation? Oh yeah, the United States does. And so does Russia.
I’m not applying a strict standard, I’m using the two examples you gave to illustrate my point that it’s much more complex than they thought. Finland and Sweden aren’t at war so no, at least in those two cases its not a declaration of war.
Just kinda decided to pretend we were talking about “declarations of war” now? I can see you are either not interested in having a grown up discussion or you’re genuinely unable to have one.
That’s the whole subject being discussed. Here’s the OP comment we’re all replying to:
Where they ask if this is a declaration of war. Not sure how that’s pretending anything.
Just because our politicians won’t accept it. We are currently at war with Russia. Have been for years. At least that’s what the Russians tell their own population. Then we have the constant sabotages in and around our territory by “totally not Russian military” people. When was the last time anyone formally “declared” a war? It isn’t the 1800s anymore.
For most countries in NATO the last time was WWII, fwiw.
Damn, that’s a lot of people who didn’t read the article.
