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    17 hours ago

    Aurora isn’t really anti-google as it’s merely a different front end for Play (that you can use anonymously).

    You could say the same about Piped, which is just an alt front end for YouTube.

    None of these alternatives seem to tackle the networking effect of the root Google services. None of them address durability, either. Proton VPN launched in 2017, Google’s been around since 1998. Microsoft’s been around since 1975. IBM’s been around since 1911.

    If you don’t mind rebasing your entire digital profile every five or ten years, these alternatives are fine. But most people don’t want to ditch a 20 year old email address or fiddle with a brand new OS, when enshitification can be right around the corner for any of these services in another few years.

    Ffs, I’d just finished putting the shine on my PLEX server before they shit the bed.



  • China is not the USA. There are a million reasons organized religion wouldn’t work as a political vector there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion

    The Taiping Rebellion, also known as the Taiping Civil War, Revolution, or Movement, was a civil war in China between the Qing dynasty and the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom. The conflict lasted 14 years, from its outbreak in 1850 until the fall of Taiping-controlled Nanjing—which they had renamed Tianjing “heavenly capital”—in 1864. The last rebel forces were defeated in August 1871. Estimates of the conflict’s death toll range between 20 million and 30 million people, representing 5–10% of China’s population at that time.

    The uprising was led by Hong Xiuquan, an ethnic Hakka who proclaimed himself to be the brother of Jesus Christ. Hong sought the religious conversion of the Han people to his syncretic version of Christianity, as well as the political overthrow of the Qing dynasty, and a general transformation of the mechanisms of state.




  • just for comparison.

    They’re both wearing heavy coats in cold weather.

    Drumpf is a fucking nazis

    He’s an American fascist doing American fascism in America. He’s a fucking Reagan Democrat. He should be called that, because it’s a term Americans clearly understand. Whereas, “Nazi” has become a pejorative for anyone with politics you don’t like, with the subtle connotation that you’re an evil foreigner.

    at best, you could say that he’s in good company with Reagan also recycling some of hitler’s rhetoric

    Reagan was emulating Eisenhower, another notorious American fascist.




  • Even if we assume the law is written as a good faith civic regulation and not a tool to discourage religious support networks and competing power structures to the ccp, what can it possibly achieve?

    If you’re suspicious or hostile to Evangelical Christianity, there’s no reason to believe this can’t be both.

    Christianity as an entry point for KMT nationalism has been a problem in China since the Revolution.

    do these people have the right to organize and operate their communities in a way that suites them or not?

    Are you a sovereign citizen? No, organizations don’t just get to write their own laws because they call themselves a church.

    And further, does that punishment look to fit the crime?

    Ask the Branch Davidians. In this case, Yayang Network repeatedly and notoriously violated these laws, escalated rhetoric when they were delicensed, and are now actively agitating for a full church lead revolt.

    After the riots in Hong Kong - heavily influenced by Trump aligned evangelicals - and the violent insurgencies in the United States lead by like minded Evangelical conservatives, I’m not sure how trying to serve a couple of guys with an arrest warrant is an overreaction.

    Why do you have a such a visceral reaction

    I’d call it a logical reaction.

    I’d also be curious to know what you’d have them do differently.

    So far, the liberal response is “do nothing and hope they stop”. And we all know how that worked out for the Americans.


  • Point is many Christians claim Christianity wasn’t part of Nazism

    Many Christians were in the resistance movement. Many Christians were in the death camps. Your Christianity didn’t define your political alignment back then any more than it does now.

    Anyone claiming Hitler wasn’t Catholic is full of shit. He worked hand-in-glove with the sitting Pope and agitated within the German church on explicit anti-communist grounds. But the schism was never religious. It was always economic. Nazism is a policy of ethnic social supremacy, enacted to secure land and capital for a racialized in-group of Teutonic people. Polish Catholics, French Catholics, Dutch Protestants, Ukrainian Orthodox… none of these people were spared.


  • Calling it Christian Nationalism is just trying to avoid saying Nazism out loud.

    Calling it “Nazis” conjures up very specific images of a foreign government’s 1930s fascist party. These are American fascists wrapped up in a very explicitly Christian iconography. You can call them Nazis and people will blink past it, because they don’t look like Nazis.

    Hitler absolutely used Christianity too

    So did FDR. So did Chang Kai-shek. Lincoln and Jefferson both proselytized from office.

    But if you want to get to the root of Hitlerism, you’d do better looking at Henry Ford and “The International Jew” than Martin Luther (the OG Protestant). Hitler was a Catholic. He came by antisemitism through the post-WW1 private sector and the old guard aristocracy, which blamed Judaism for the Communist swing of the prior decade.


  • Sure. But you still need to square the circle on public policy.

    Are you in favor of minors being forced to attend religious services by their parents or not? Should this forced attendance be a prosecutable offense or not? Should repeat offenders be arrested and charged or allowed to operate in defiance of these rules indefinitely?

    As we saw under Biden, liberals love to say they have strong moral convictions. But they hate the idea of actually enforcing any of them.

    So, assuming you’re fine with the Yayang Network continuing to operate, you also have to ask yourself… are you going to be happen when these people are running your town? Your state? Your country?


  • So, I did a little digging on this group - the Yayang Church Network - because I was curious to know the details.

    Turns out, there’s a prohibition in China against church attendance for minors. China does not allow anyone under 18 years old to attend religious services or receive religious education under a set of policies rooted in the Regulations on Religious Affairs (revised in 2018) and in the government’s broader mandate to “separate religion and education.”

    The Yayang Network operates in open defiance of this rule. It’s leadership - specifically a pair of evangelical pastors named Lin Enci and Lin Enzhao - have made it a practice to openly and publicly denounce the law in services where parents are encouraged to bring young children. And this police action is in response to these organized religious protests.

    Now, I’ve been in the Reddit/Lemmy community for a while. And… historically… these sites have been pretty nakedly against religious indoctrination of young people. There’s also a strong anti-natalist sentiment which might run afoul of church’s progenitor - Watchman Nee or Nee T’o-sheng - whose evangelical traditional outlook encouraged large families in strict defiance to the Chinese One Child Policy.

    So I do have to wonder if people on this site are going to be outraged at China for religious persecution generally speaking. Or if they’re actually sympathetic to the Yayang Network’s evangelical traditions and founding beliefs.