ah yes, the “don’t be evil” corporation
Doesn’t this situation call for companies that could decide to block AI and double down on the human workforce? And those companies who do would be rewarded by all of us who hate AI and they would succeed by the supposed rules of the free market. Why isn’t any company stepping up to compete against AI run companies? Wouldn’t it be an amazing opening to compete and win?
Also, it wasn’t talked about in the article, but one of the big arguments for why this AI thing has to be so inevitable is that we have to compete with China. They think we have to start this race with China, to try to win AI.
First of all, I think we might have already lost the race. Second of all, even if you don’t agree that we’ve already lost. What if by embracing AI, China and all the other countries are destroyed by it? What if it just makes so many mistakes and errors that it just destroys their economy and destroys their country?And then the countries who were cautious about AI would be fine.We’d be the winners, not having succumbed to this ridiculous urge to use everything AI.
People always forget that anything and everything hooked up to a network is hackable. I’ll say it again. Everything hooked up to a network is hackable.Including this shitty AI stuff. If we put everything into AI, even if we win, another country could just hack us. And screw everything up. The bottom line is.There is a space to say no to AI and succeed.
I know I’m not that super articulate about this, but I would love to see somebody else write about these ideas with more finesse than I have, so that we could all start talking about this more and stop letting this inevitable push to AI just keep going without pushing back.
Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race
Not to mention, we sold China their surveillance tech which has given them the upper hand in this “race” we never agreed to participate in.
The data collecting capabilities of an authoritarian surveillance state (which we created and sold to China) are allegedly what we will have to accept because it’s necessary to win this imaginary race with China…
I know not everybody is a “crazy conspiracy theorist,” but does that logic not seem the
slightest bitobviously fucked? How much of a “conspiracy” is it really to just acknowledge there are wealthy people in positions of power who don’t have our best interest in mind when they talk about making America great and beating China?US tech companies enabled the surveillance and detention of hundreds of thousands in China
US government allowed and even helped US firms sell tech used for surveillance in China
Detailed findings from AP investigation into how US tech firms enabled China’s digital police state
American tech companies to a large degree designed and built China’s surveillance state, playing a far greater role in enabling human rights abuses than previously known, an Associated Press investigation found. They sold billions of dollars of technology to the Chinese police, government and surveillance companies, despite repeated warnings from the U.S. Congress and in the media that such tools were being used to quash dissent, persecute religious sects and target minorities.
Hope he keeps that same energy when the mob walks him up the scaffold.
I’d love to see it, but let’s all be realistic. Americans didn’t band together to make cost of living affordable nor took it to the streets to demand universal healthcare. You REALLY think Americans will suddenly band together about AI affecting their way of life?
Americans didn’t band together to make cost of living affordable nor took it to the streets to demand universal healthcare.
They literally did and do, though. We have mass marches and protests that fill up city streets on a regular basis in the US. We had Occupy. We had the BLM marches. We had Women’s Marches. We’ve had Palestinian Solidarity Marches. Israeli Solidarity Marches. No Kings Days. Earth Day. National Boycotts. Rallies to Restore Sanity. We had a mob of people ransack the US Capital five years ago, ffs.
The problem with Americans is not that they don’t band together and take to the streets. The problem is in the leadership, which has alternately cashed out, been actively corrupted or mysteriously murdered.
Organizations that aren’t infiltrated and subverted from within are pincered between malicious DAs and nefarious NGOs - as was the case with Ohio’s ACORN in 2009 and the Harvard anti-Genocide activists organized during the tenure of Claudine Gay - and rubbed out of existence.
There’s a naive assumption that politics in the US simply isn’t happening. The bitter truth is that we’re in the middle of a Cold Civil War, the casualties are mounting, and most people simply can’t acknowledge it because the reality is too horrifying to accept.
You REALLY think Americans will suddenly band together about AI affecting their way of life?
I think they already are. And I think the Silicon Valley influenced state and national governments, combined with their lobbyists and media allies, are working to identify, subvert, and expunge anyone with meaningful purchase in civil society.
Group leads march in Downtown Memphis to protest Elon Musk’s xAI
Organizations like this exist today. Idk if they’ll exist tomorrow.
The problem with protesting in modern times since social media dominated the majority of our lives is how most show up on a weekend, take photos and a hashtag, then brunch.
It’s all performative because if people were really serious, then there would constant protesting like how it was done during the Civil Rights era. The closest to a continuous protest we had was Occupy Wallstreet, yet so many fell for the media’s propaganda of it being a bunch of jobless hippies. Same rhetoric that could had described the Civil Rights protestors.
Don’t blame leadership when it is truly the people who are goddamn selfish and stupid. The final culmination of what Republicans and the owner class wanted out of a populace.
Black Lives Matter had daily protests for months. And in a couple instances involved taking over parts of cities and burning down police stations. And, for at least a little while, it resulted in positive changes to police policy.
I don’t know why people just seem to memory-hole BLM when complaining about the toothlessness of American protesters. Occupy was child’s play compared to BLM.
And, for at least a little while, it resulted in positive changes to police policy.
Like what? What did burning down a police building do? Aside from give fodder to the racist douchebags.
I wonder how many of the people who protested are “both sides” folks who don’t vote.
most show up on a weekend, take photos and a hashtag, then brunch.
That’s always been true.
Social media as a means of drawing big crowds and engaging idle residents has been great. But what do you do when you’ve got the crowd? What’s the next steps?
Don’t blame leadership when it is truly the people who are goddamn selfish and stupid.
Which is it?
Are people selfishly withholding their time, labor, and money from effective organizations and able leaders?
Or are they stupidly wasting time, labor, and money on con artists and turn coats?
Are laziness and selfishness mutually exclusive concepts for you?
The problem with Americans is not that they don’t band together and take to the streets.
The problem is they don’t vote. The leaders don’t come from nowhere. People refuse to participate and then whine about the leaders they let other people choose.
Americans couldn’t even band together to stop the re-election of… Coup attempt… Etc etc etc it’s kinda too long and exhausting to state even 1/4 of it at this point. But everyone knows about it.
Too busy with our enlightened “both sides” idiocy.
They are too busy fighting themselves over irrelevant media slop…
You’d love to see people murdered for not having committed any crimes?
And what country are you in that is banding together to protect your “way of life”?
He’s a massive piece of shit.
Google CEO fuckwad confirmed
The things to remember is that these CEOs have made a whole living out of not knowing what they are doing, but being insufferably confident in whatever vomit of words they spew, whether they know anything or not, while ultimately just saying the most milquetoast blatantly obvious stuff and pretending it’s very insightful. All this while they believe and the money proves that are the most important people in the world.
So naturally it’s easy for them to believe LLM can take all the jobs, because it can easily take theirs.
Eat dick, robber baron.
I’m sure he’s suffering through it.
And just how are you suffering, Mr. Billionaire?
“I was only able to buy 2 yachts and one jet. Last year I got 4 yachts and 3 jets.”
Except it’s the other way around. “We’re all gonna have to suffer” but they are at least twice as rich now than before this bs started.
Well, can you imagine being given a million dollars and someone coming along and saying ‘oh, sorry, you didn’t withdraw that in time and now it’s no longer there, and you owe use a $100 transaction fee’. That would really suck, wouldn’t it?
Now imagine that happening 10 times a day, and you can start to imagine how horrible some of these billionaires feel every day!
Of course to make it more realistic, your job wouldn’t require you to actually ever come into the office or do anything, they would occasionally double or triple your salary based on the stock market, and instead of it being a million dollars, it would be a dollar or so every once in awhile and you wouldn’t know what the transaction fee was because it is effectively less than a rounding error on your current balance. Also banks will loan you money and just write it off if you don’t pay it back with no impact to your credit score.
For the first time ever, his assets only warranted stealing 20 0% interest million dollar loans instead of hundreds. He’s becoming a Poor!
If AI is going to take our jobs then UBI is absolutely necessary.
Elon Musk was defending UBI recently.
This version of UBI is a capitalist trap. Make everything a subscription, make everything rented not owned, replace most jobs with AI, give you a monthly allowance. Now you need to feed all that money into their products and services, and they can make sure you’ll never have enough to escape. Its feudalism with extra steps and some computers.
How about we remove the b?
Universal income. No accumulation of Capital. No robber barons. Everybody gets the same and you use it as you see fit.
Just… live your life.
Human nature doesn’t allow it. Too many greedy, narcissistic, and sociopathic people.
What a frail cop out
When the permanent unemployment rate starts to hit 25% or more, we are either going to have to have UBI, or reduce the population by the unemployment rate.
Which solution will be endorsed by which party, and how will they implement that solution?
Be reminded that Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller has already told Trump that he wants to reduce the population of America from 350 million to 100 million. That’s about a 70% reduction. What do you suppose his “solution” would be?
Vietnam and McNamara conveniently reduced the unemployment rate. Trump just bombed Nigeria and has eyes on Venezuela. History may not repeat but it often rhymes.
We need to retire that slogan. History is absolutely repeating.
Unemployment during Vietnam was about as low as it is today.
The real human demand of Vietnam was with a very narrow subset of the population - young men between the ages of 17 and 45 (with a heavy bias towards the lower end) - for a comparatively limited term of service (average 1 year). By contrast, the Iraq War didn’t employ youth conscription. It used the “backdoor draft” to deploy national guard reservists and to force existing enlisted troops back into repeated deployments for upwards of eight years. That also didn’t have a meaningful impact on unemployment during the Bush Administration (notable for a comparatively high unemployment rate, particularly post 2006).
Trump doesn’t fix a flood of unemployed people (particularly older people) with war. If anything, he just amplifies the domestic dissent against his administration, which will likely result in more economic pain and higher rates of joblessness.
Water wars, climate disaster, will lead to lives lost. Food scarcity, antivax, cutting the social safety net further, lack of education…
I don’t care how racist/fascist/terrible you are, how the fuck would the country run with so few people? Like, the population would have to be consolidated to one general area right?
Like say for instance it happens, there are now only 100 million Americans living in the US; where are they all living? Northeast close to New York and DC? Closer to California and Nevada? Or are they all just gonna be spread out across the country that everything is going to be small-town America again?
Only a few thousand will live privileged lives. The rest will serve them. If they don’t like it, they can arrange to be unemployed, but since unemployment is now criminalized, with the punishment being the death penalty, it is unlikely there will be much conflict.
That, or an internment infrastructure currently being used to deport immigrants that can be easily refactored to house chain-gang denaturalized citizens who criticized the upper class… which will come true first?!
AI isn’t going to take your jobs, though. AI is going to take over management of the economy, which is a very different thing.
The jobs will still exist, because manual labor continues to be far cheaper to produce and deploy than machine labor. The conditions of employment will get worse over time, as computer management tools prioritize “efficiency” (aka margin of profit) over quality of life and ecological sustainability.
I’m pretty sure we haven’t needed AI for the economy to be managed toward short-term gains at the cost of quality of life and the environment.
AI speeds up enshitification by removing all the actual sensible humans who might pull the brakes.
And it’s the AI companies who are going to have to pay it, either directly or via taxes.
I think we can all agree, we should put people like this in the wood chipper and unboubtedly the world would be a better place.
The billionaires want to build industrial wood-chippers to get rid of us en masse, meanwhile individual sized wood-chippers already exist.
Bingo
https://www.machinerypartner.com/heavy-equipment-categories/shredders/lt/car-shredder-for-sale
Sounds like on of these.
I’ve got about $100 I can afford to fund this endeavor.
I don’t see a stat for how many billionaires it can shred per minute. Any idea?
For a task like this you don’t need throughput, you need reliability. You don’t want it to break down while there are still people in line.
Agree. AGREE?!
Well, firstly, I want to know are you a namby pamby “make it quick, put them head first in to the woodchipper” person.
Or a steely eyed “make the parasites suffer and go feet first and make them watch it happen” type.
If we are going to agree on anything then we need to agree on these fundamentals!!I am for head first.
There is no benefit for other’s suffering. Just make it quick.That’s one thing I really liked about the first John Wick movie. No drawn out revenge torture, just a quick bullet and walk out. No need to take some kind of sick pleasure in it, there’s a job to be done.
Now that’s not to say I won’t enjoy some feel-good thoughts about the whole thing, but I just don’t take pleasure in making a death slow and painful.
Why don’t we compromise and put them in arm first?
Dick first
Head first, but the line up to the top has a really good view.
Google is the one who put society through the woodchipper.
That’s actually a pretty good idea. What if we started putting tech billionaires through the wood chipper? It could be like the American guillotine
I’m imagining the next viral video trend on the order of “will it blend”.
There’s is nothing too awful to happen to sundar Prichai.
No horrible fate could befall that man that would not cause me delight.
Do they make a 2-stroke wood chipper? The planet can dank the damage and it’ll get the chuds on board /s
Woodchippers are four stroke. Most probably have a V-twin similar to a riding lawnmower.
You could totally hotrod the hell out of it, however. Just like racing gokarts, you could run nitrous or a turbo.
Yeah but we need a healer
What do you call a private jet full of billionaires crashing into a mountain?
A good start.
They’d never agree to share the jet.
We’ll just tell them they’re reopening Epstein Island and this is the first flight.
Jeffrey Epstein is alive and set up a secret moon colony. Get on this rocket or you’re a beta peasant.
“No job is safe … but I’ll still be a billionaire”
