The joke is that 99% of the other stalls are also Linux lmao
I keep my dislike of Linux to myself.
Its Linux bros who are constantly flooding any and all legit questions about Windows with ‘just use Linux 4head’.
Go away.
I keep my dislike of Linux to myself.
Clearly.
This is the most hypocritical post in the history of the Internet.
The comic feels like a preemptive “no u”
The lack of awareness from Linux nerds who think this is perfectly on-brand, I’m dying XD
Let 'em vent. And then ignore or educate them, if they’re open.
Nah, as a Windows user on the topic of Linux here in the fediverse I’ll be totally honest: I mostly just feel like I’m looking at and a bit wishing I was smart and savvy and motivated enough to be one of the cool kids, but after my last disastrous attempt at switching (because apparently my video card just isn’t supported I guess? whatever, I’m not looking for tech support here) I’m just happy enough to be at the cool punk party instead of predatory frat party (reddit, twitter, take your pick of corporate shithole) where I’m likely to get roofied.
It’s Ok. You don’t need to like Linux. (Evil villain accent slips out)-- You vill use Linux! Und you vill like it! Even if you don’t like it. Ooops! Sorry! That just slipped out somehow.
An OS is a tool no more, nothing less. Use what you like and like what you use! And if you decide to try Linux again some day in the future, great! If not, that’s great also!
I think that the motivation is the real key point here.
You could be the best technical person but if you are not motivated, it won’t happen. And that’s fine. When the motivation will be there, Linux nerds will be there to help you.
You’re a honorary member of the cool kids!
ngl, I actually appreciate this comment, thank you ❤
I put off the switch for ages due to similar reasons, tried once that failed horribly. Later had a motherboard failure and Microsoft showed their whole arse. Reactivated the dual boot, channeled my inner old woman energy, solved the video issue and have been happily tinkering with the smaller issues as they come up. Still playing whack a mole, but now I’m getting things the way I want them, instead of disabling things I’m being told I want by some corporate nutcase.
And hilariously, I am spending less time maintaining Linux than I did for Windows.
PC or laptop? And what video card?
PC, ASRock Z370 Taichi mb with NVidia GTX 1080TI card and 32GB RAM.
Last time I tried install disastrously Lemmy Linux wizards told me that card isnt supported for some reason 🤷
I was prepared to go through hell when I switched recently, since Windows was making me so mad. Everyone told me my graphics card wouldn’t work, gaming would be hard, etc. Then Mint just worked. 🤷
I did have to troubleshoot why my speakers were muted on startup, but it was worth it. Oh, and volume up defaults to 5% instead of the standard 2%, that took some fixing. Games just work, though.
Mint gets tossed around because it’s pretty forgiving. It just shits me i have to rewrite udev for usb key removal. Its the 21st fucking century, no one “dismounts” usb any more
Kubuntu is another one that just works. Hubs hasn’t has problems and he’s definitely not hardware wired
+1 for Kubuntu just working. I put my grandpa on it and I actually had someone I support for IT install it on their personal computer because they were getting sick and tired of windows.
There is some fuckery I’m not a fan of, but the user will probably just be oblivious+happy it just works.
yeah I fucking hate snaps too
When I muster up the courage again, Mint is probably the distro I’ll try. I’d tried Pop!_OS because I’d read that it’s very superficially Windows-like as an easing in method, but I think the larger install base of Mint (and thus docs, support, etc) makes it the more appealing choice next go round, if ever that day comes.
I got thrown in the deep end professionally with slackware years ago and i personally think pop is satans taint, so don’t feel bad.
Been playing with mint on media server builds, works pretty well (apart from aforementioned usb caching), just adjusting to the flatpak sandboxing. Also works well with retroarch and my 8bitdos but i haven’t fired up the n64 emu yet.
Daily driver is kubuntu, the biggest issue with both is if you have a mixed os system - the ol “won’t network browse or auth as guest on a win machine share” unless you use cifs.
This feels like a very friendly and supporting comment, so I appreciate it, but I’m not gonna lie, about half of what you said may as well be Korean to me it’s so unfamiliar.
All G :)
Flatpaks is a software control architecture. So instead of having files and executables able to talk to each other across the OS all willy nilly they’re kept in little pens. This means the file locations change from what you automatically go to look for
8bitdos are retro feel wireless controllers, retroarch is an emulation software package for playing old console games on a pc. I haven’t tested how the nintendo 64 emulator (notoriously hardcore) runs on mint yet.
Daily driver is my default go to pc to use. I run kubuntu on that. If you have windows-based servers or pcs that you’re gonna mix with linux, kubuntu and mint have issues browsing to windows file shares with their default network browsers. You need to use what’s called “cifs” instead, plenty of documentation if you need to poke about.
8bitdos are retro feel wireless controllers, retroarch is an emulation software package for playing old console games on a pc. I haven’t tested how the nintendo 64 emulator (notoriously hardcore) runs on mint yet.
This was the part I knew 😜 On my 3rd 8bitdo controller I think and been emulating games forever. The rest was legitimately foreign to me though, thank you
I fucking love 8bitdos. We have some for the retroarch, and then ones for legitimate systems - the SNES and the Sega Megadrive. I’m just salty I was never able to get my hands on their n64 controllers before they got slapped with copyright.
Don’t despair, Vespair,
I like your vibe btw;
Being on the penguin side,
having a sharper mind,
does not garantee.
Let me assure thee,
for plenty of us,
are plenty dumb.
Yeah, it’s Windows users going out and proudly exclaiming their love. Definitely never heard a Linux user bitch about another OS.👌👍
This has to be intentionally dense shit to trigger ACHKTUALLY type engagement right?
Windows users don’t think about or even realize that other operating systems exist
THIS Windows user has used Linux and BSD sytems for ~30 years and still manages a fuckton off Linux servers as his dayjob. The thing is - and it is a somewhat inconvenient truth - that Windows 11 has evolved to a point where it works just really, really well when used on dedicated hardware.
And Powershell is simply the better scripting environment, this is a hill i will gladly die on.
Or they value an os that works out of the box with the vast majority of hardware. Even valve and steamos is on proprietary hardware has a ton of issues. Windows is God awful but I didn’t have to run a script on every boot up to set my HDMI device as a default. Or have to reboot my device every time I turn off my TV because HDMI can’t connect. And none of my controllers, 8bitdo, ps5ds, xbox360, work wirelessly without latency issues 🤷♂️.
The stubbornness of the community to acknowledge this continues to hamper improving the situation.
I give money and use bazzite+ my steam deck to support foss, but I’m not blind to the numerous issues that need to be fixed before Linux is less ignored.
Well fuck me they are real
Most people are also just not going to bother changing their OS lol. Most steam deck users are using Linux and most PC users are using windows.
I think it’s like why people don’t change the engine in their car, sure you could could get a better one but most people are happy with their engine and don’t want to mess with it
Wait you can get new engines? Sorry I’m being sincere & my car’s engine is dying - is this actually a thing you can do or is it just a convenient metaphor for OSs?
How much do you want to spend? You could find a junkyard pull that may or may not be better then what you have or a rebuilt engine what should run like factory, but wont address things like a rusted frame.
If you want a different engine, you’re going to have to deal with whatever quirks that come with that and you may not have anyone to ask for help if something happens.
I think their point is, yes, of course you can use another engine, because, at its core, an engine spins a drive train. That’s all it does. However, to replace one engine with another, you may need to change every hose, mount, sensor, and customize the computer, because what it shipped with assumes you’re using… What it shipped with.
no I got the metaphor - I meant specifically, are replacement car engines a commonplace thing? Not being shitty that’d just be really convenient and I know next to nothing about cars.
Yes. I bought my f150 for 2k not running. Replaced the engine (my labor, 4k worth) and now I have a 15k truck.
If you want some side cash flipping old cars can be profitable.
Yes, either a junk yard used one or you can purchase a crate engine, that is just the main engine block internals and heads, and you swap all your parts to it.
Currently doing an engine swap on a friends car.
Depends on the car, I don’t think it’s too hard to find one from a scrapyard
Sure. Basically every part of a car is replaceable, including the engine (and parts of the engine). As the car gets older finding the parts gets harder but that’s about it.
Engine swaps are expensive though, especially since you wouldn’t be doing it yourself knowing next to nothing about cars, so a lot of people get a new car at that point.
But there’s nothing stopping you.
Amen.
For every last ball ache I have about Win 10 and 11 is “well thats annoying” but they just fucking work.
What the fuck have you been trying that you have to jump through so many hoops? Hanna-Montana Linux? I get that some distros don’t work with some hardware unless you get down and dirty with some tweaking, but in my case, I only had that issue once with an Alienware laptop and Linux mint, because of the NVIDIA card, but that was 11 years ago. Never again since. How does that compare to having to hunt down drivers to make everything work in windows unless you purchase a computer with windows pre-installed for it to work ‘out of the box’. If you reinstall, good luck with that.
And even if some distros don’t play nice with NVIDIA cards from first install, they will still give you a display to allow you to get it to work correctly, so there’s that.
Honestly, by all means, stay on windows. I’m happy on the penguin side of things, you’re happy on the… whatever that side of the spectrum happens to be right now.
Did you read? Bazzite and steamos respectively. Please tell me how I don’t know what I’m doing or imagining these things.
You’ve never been to a LAN party when those where bigger. Completely unprompted, windows users will shit on mac and linux users.
You are barking up the wrong tree. mohaa, dota (the mod) big game hunters, ns, cs (again before the stand alone or steam).
You’re friends were correct back then. Linux was mostly worthless unless it was your job. Triple so for gaming.
I was playing UT2k4. Epic was linux friendly back then and I wasn’t interested in the other stuff.
Also, I didn’t say I was a linux user back then. I just said that mac and linux lived rent free in their heads. It was the same as the console war bs back then.
C’mon, us linux users do the inverse all the time…
(Also applies to “Lemmy users” on the top and “Reddit users” on the bottom)
Literally any time Windows is mentioned
no we don’t also windows is stupid you should install gentoo
What about Arch btw?
BSD
Unironically.
Best distro I’ve ever tried. Once it’s set up, things work. Always.
Every time Windows is mentioned it’s somebody complaining about some hostile thing that Linux doesn’t do…
So yeah.
windows 🤮
windows 🤮
I was bitching about a shitty Windows thing to a happy Windows user just this afternoon.
you just did 🤮
Windows?? You just need to bring up Gnome
You see shit, you clean it up, plain-as.
I promote linux, not complain about windows, every time someone has a an enshitification problem, which is incredibly common now.
grrr
It’s not the same, when you are the minority/counter culture, you are allowed to advocate for yourself.
That’s not true. Linux users do this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than Microslop users. Microslop has billions of users, but fewer than 20 fanboys, worldwide.
Fewer than 19*
I’ve converted to Linux since.
The thing is - most windows user don’t even know Linux exists…
Most Windows users don’t know Windows exist.
i’ve run across some people around here who i would never have guessed knew about linux… and not only did they know–they ran it. and yea, more than one was ‘i use arch btw’.
Linux users 👇
Windows user 👆
Used and supported Windows for over 30 years at this point. I’ve NEVER been a fan, and started looking into Linux back in '99. It wasn’t ready back then, but two decades later and it seems like Linux does everything except anti-cheat, which I have no use for, better than Windows ever did.
… I worked for Microsoft.
… during the time they rolled out Win8, by dogfooding it through every employee and contractor.
I don’t know anyone that hates Microsoft and Windows more than I do.
'98 was a marginal improvement over '95 at least.
Windows 7 with all the SPs was peak Windows
Agreed, peaked at 7.
And its been literally all downhill from there.
I actually could not believe what was happening, when they rolled out 8 on us.
“We’ve removed… the windows… from Windows.”
Saying that outloud made my boss very angry.
We spent a month pleading to let us go back to 7, to use some kind of standard, non tablet UI.
For a month they told is that didn’t exist in 8, the UI was all totally new and redesigned from the ground up, and no we can’t go back to 7.
But, they were lying, of course. There was a sequence you could do to override the new UI that had indeed been slapdashed over 7’s UI, to go back to 7’s UI.
(Where 7’s UI is modified XP UI, which is modified 98 UI… etc)
We figured it out, they’d patch it to not work, some other email chain would figure out some other override, they’d patch that out.
After about a month of that they actually admitted that the 7 UI was indeed still there and was not just some kind of emergency fall back mode.
Some months later, 8.1 is basically just them making the 7 UI mode fully work.
Again, I literally could not believe how stupid this all was, to the point of sometimes literally dissociating.
Or maybe Windows 8 was my personal Vietnam, or something, lol.
I used to be sysadmin for a uni with a citrix farm. I may have a good shot at taking that crown.
I’m admin for a Citrix farm right now.
I feel you.The fun starts when it decides to kick off the AV for every single user at once
That’s okay because unlike Windows, Linux isn’t guilty of market capture, adware, spyware, bloat, and any number of other things that are wrong with windows.
It happens when MS does something that annoys their userbase. Then Linux nerds jump in and tell how much Linux is better.
Exactly, never complain. We lead the way to a better future.
If I didn’t have to use windows for work…
We don’t really do the same thing, because Microsoft is forced upon us every step of the way.
Yes. Because we want native support from apps. Windows has the market share to not care. Linux is getting there but is nowhere near to even macOS.
My theory is you are a Windows user wearing a mask.
I have never gone to look for a windows community, is there one?
Not anymore. It was embraced, extended and extinguished.
On the fediverse?!
Good luck with that.
Every post would be negative
Good
I don’t use Arch, by the way.
How dare you come at me with self awareness!!
The last week or thereabouts, I have been trying my 2nd migration to Linux. Went with ZorinOS, but ultimately the project failed. This is because there is a lot that isn’t hand-holdy enough, or AppImages just not working consistency. If nothing else, I at least a get a fresh start: Windows Enterprise 25h2 GAC via RUFUS + Massgrave, with Shutup10 Premium to set and forget my privacy. Good enough for now.
It isn’t ideal, as I suspect an 2nd American Civil War down the line - and MS is likely to side with Dogey America. Hopefully Linux would be more friendly and refined by the time things kick off.
To be completely honest, any OS change does come with some friction, and Linux is certainly no exception. Should you ever try this again. give it two weeks, and you’ll learn the best practices.
Until then, good luck with your existing setup!
Honestly thats just cause zorinOS is a dumbsterfire. Sure theres 100s of distros to choose from and a fuck load of them are “professional” projects. But they arn’t actually user friendly professional projects. Theres little to no effort or care put into the real world aspects that need to be accounted for to onboard new users.
ZorinOS is great and professional for an already existing user.
Its why valve has had to put so much fucking effort in to get something thats actually viable to market to your avg joe.
Frankly outside of a steamOS, bazzite, and cachyOS. Basically no distro goes to any real length to actually make things new user friendly.
Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora, and many other of the most popular distros are “good enough”. They are perfectly functional out of the box as nothing more or less then a useable desktop and web browser. Anything beyond that quickly falls to hit or miss bullshit.
As dumb as it is. The only distros that have actually put the work in to onboard new windows users properly have been the ones with a version targeting the steam deck and gamers.
People who ONLY need a email client are already accounted for after all with stuff like mint. You don’t need your computer for anything so anything beyond the basics being VERY polished is pointless.
I genuinely have never seen this take. Sometimes someone shares something like “I tried it out and it wasn’t quite for me”, and that’s about as vitriolic as it get. And even that’s rare.
I see you have not been graced by madthumbs and the linuxsucks community. It’s so hilariously stupid I’ve got it blocked so I can’t link, but that should be enough to find it if you like.
Ha, I called out a few mistruths they were spreading, in a constructive way and got blocked too. Almost all comments there are removed, and the user was griping about downvotes. Somebody suggested his ex left him for a Linux dev and so now he hates Linux with a passion out of spite.
This comic is about LGBTQI+
Linux/GNU BTQI+
My favorite thing is going onto the community for a game that explicitly supports linux with a problem just to have a bunch of replies to install windows from random chuds.
The threadiverse is not a Linux stall.
It is the interest of it’s active users. For better or worse.
Yep, and that’s completely different, and not a reason to tell people with conflicting interests they don’t belong here.
My only remaining real problems are:
- The community often pushing more “elitist” solutions over easier ones, see all the Vim fanboys.
- Coming from the aforementioned issue, your only viable debugger is either GDB with its obtuse TUI or some GUI hackjob on top of that.
Nano is the best and i WILL die on this hill. With an honorerable mention to micro.
I find that I just don’t really know what I’m doing half the time, and find it difficult to find help at a genuinely practical level. It’s either total beginner “This is called the terminal” or assumes you already know exactly what you’re doing. Like the installation instructions for something I was looking at was literally “usual cmake build” with absolutely zero elaboration what that means. The other thing I don’t like is when you look up how to do something and the answers are always “copy and paste this code” without explaining what any of it is or what it does.
Something else I’m still not at all sure about is where you’re supposed to install things. Like at least on Windows I know you just bang everything in “Program files”, but now there’s bin, etc, home, usr, and whatever else and don’t know where you’re supposed to actually put things.
