speaking of those two formats, most of Europe uses both at the same time and sometimes it’s very annoying for us - “you said to meet you at 5!” “oh sorry i meant 15”
In the UK we all (generally) read 24 hour but speak in 12 hour. So we see 15:00 but say 3. Only military peeps talk on 24, and it can sound weird, but people can easily understand them as long as they can parse the who “-hundred” thing (15:00 being fifteen-hundred)
In Denmark it’s always written in 24hr, but I’d say it’s 50/50 whether we say 3 or 15 for 15:00.
I guess saying 3 is more casual. But we never use “hundred”. 15:30 would just be fifteen-thirty.
Dutchie here, same for me. In English it’s easy to say 3pm or 9pm but in Dutch that would be 3 uur 's middags (in the afternoon) or 9 uur 's avonds (in the evening) so 15 uur and 21 uur is shorter to say. However, when it’s “am” I always say 's nachts (at night) or 's ochtends (in the morning) to avoid confusion. But all digital clocks in NL are on 24h. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone with a 12h notation on their phone or anything else. It’s such a standard, I don’t even think my oven and microwave have a 12h notation option.
I think it’s just a case of uneducated ignorant Americans stuck in the past, while also having no clue there exists a rest of the world where people are not weird. Like with their imperial system and IALA buoys system (for the entire American continents by the way).
I think most of Europe uses 24h in writing but 12h when speaking.
I think most of
Europethe world uses 24h in writing but 12h when speaking.Actually the French use 24h and speak 24h.
Leftovers of the military mindset from Napoleon, I’m sure of it!
Nah 24h time was introduced by the US in Europe during WW2.
It is similar in Germany. Often with the word Uhr (like o’clock in english) added.
“3 Uhr” or “15 Uhr 30”
Yep, though we also have “Klokken halv 4” which is especially confusing for foreigners
I don’t speak the language, but this looks like it would literally translate to something like “half of the fourth hour” which in English we might say as “half past three”. Kind of interesting that we might say “quarter to four” to mean 3:45, but never “half til four” to mean 3:30.
Yup, it is just half an hour before, very commonly used here. There’s some other English language (Australian?) where it means the opposite - totally not confusing.
We also use quarter to/quarter past as well of course
Some people from eastern parts of germany go with stuff like “Dreiviertel 3” - three-quarters 3 - 14:45 Uhr.
A good way of keeping the time-information secret, I am certainly too slow to translate that.
Same thing in Argentina. As usual, USA are the weird ones xD
Bulgarian here, same story. 24 hour removes the ambiguity in written form without the need for a suffix, 12 hour is shorter in speech and 99% of the time it doesn’t need specifying because the AM/PM is evident from the context.
Don’t want the payroll people confuse the night shift with the morning shift. It’s purely an economical arrangement. Besides I ain’t even American.
24hr time is simply superior in every way. I don’t get why more people dont swap it.
I changed mine on a whim years ago and never looked back.Like the old truth “America does everything the wrong way”. 24h is superior, metric is superior, dd.mm.yyyy format is superior, etc…
A4 is superior too.
(Yes US doesn’t use A4 paper.)
The superiority of ISO paper sizes isn’t obvious at all if you don’t know how US paper is different. Seems like different countries just use different sizes. But as anyone accustomed to using A- or B-series papers knows, A4 is made of exactly 2 A5s, and the pattern holds up to A10 and down to A0, whereas the US paper sizes are completely unrelated to each other.
So good!
dd.mm.yyyy
I believe in ISO 8601 supremacy
(I’m not saying its not better than American one thougn)
I have for years named files that have a chronological component ymd , and if hours are relevant, hm. A few ymdhm.
Makes a lot of sense when ordering directories.
Edit: and the file name after that. Wouldn’t be useful without descriptive text.
2026-04-13 rule
This is the way.
One of my favourite examples of this is road sign lettering.
Instead of just using the same style as Europe.
They created their own, which caused its own problems.
Then created a replacement, which didn’t help.
too lazy to learn.
Well I’m glad to be an actual us army veteran so I can unapologetically use the 24-hour format, which is easier & makes more sense than the 12-hour format.
I remember when I was a kid who joined a mostly American guild with Discord server in Warframe.
I was so confused when I wrote the time in 24h and the guy I was chatting with seemed genuinely uncomfortable with me writing in military jargon.
(He also believed in ghosts and I had trouble explaining the difference between additive and multiplicative multipliers to him)
Warframe
uncomfortable with me writing in military jargon
The irony didn’t occur to me, I got a chuckle out of this.
But to play devil’s advocate for him, the game’s outlandishly sci-fi with “space ninjas”, and the actual players typically don’t chat like gun nuts.
American 24-hour user here. Its just a lot easier to calculate time intervals and tell the time from a quick glance with 24-hour time.
Looking at how the clock in Windows defaults based on region, it seems to be mostly the Whiter of the former British colonies plus a few South American countries that use 12h (for computing, at least). The rest of the world are all 24h.
Only muricans think 24h clock = military time 😂
Everything is military/war oriented. Remember the “war on drugs”? They can’t comprehend the world except from a perspective of opposition and control. 🤷🥲
I hate when people associate the two. I got used to it because I was in civil aviation, and I kept using it because it’s better.
Well it kinda is 'cos jar heads can’t say 12:00, they say 1200, a literal twelve-hundred. Only military does that.
Only in America do they judge people for using the 24hr clock. Most of the rest of the world uses it. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/what-countries-use-24-hour-time
As an American who uses military time on everything, nobody has ever judged me for it. I am not military either.
As someone who grew up with a 24-hour clock, I can deal with 12 hours. Usually there’s no confusion if your store opens at 7am or 7pm. But 12:30PM being a valid time and meaning ‘00:30 on the next day’ fucks me up every time.
12:30 AM is 00:30 though?
They shouldn’t even have 12 on the clock, it should be 0 because the 12 hour clock is modulo 12.
Case and point as to why it’s confusing lmao
“case in point” although "case and point " is arguably an eggcorn
Damn, just learned I’ve been using that phrase wrong my whole life
I appreciate that you didn’t get mad about it. Of course it doesn’t matter here, but I point these things out in case people need to use them correctly in a serious situation.
He did say it always fucks him up :D
12:30PM means 30 minutes after 12-noon.
Anyone saying that and meaning the middle of the night is just wrong, and if that’s a genuine thing people do it would drive me quite mad.
30 minutes after midnight is 12:30AM
Perfectly illustrates how it doesn’t make sense.
I can get behind
- 11.30pm
- 12.30pm
- 1.30am
Or
- 11.30pm
- 0.30am
- 1.30am
But
- 11.30pm
- 12.30am
- 1.30am
just doesn’t make sense.
i would like to suggest, instead of 1230pm and 1230am we do 1230m and 1230n. one for midnight and one for noon. or one for night and one for munchies. i forget.
You start counting the hours to the next noon at midnight, duh. That’s why it’s ante-meridian, and the beginning of a new day. If you want to go around calling it 00:30, most people would understand, even in America.
Did you mix up the first and third place? Because if 12:00 is “m”, it makes more sense for 12:30am to be night.
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As I said, it always fucks me up. The AM/PM indicator wraps at a different hour than the hours. Aaargh!
Literally this. I was never in the military, and I’m glad they literally can’t draft me unless they lower a lot of requirements really fast. But 24-hour time is just so much more sensible. There’s no “AM or PM?” follow-up question, no guesswork. It just makes sense.
If they made metric time, I’d adopt that shit in a heartbeat.
The French tried metric time. It was pretty quickly abandoned.
the standard time that almost everyone uses is metric, i.e. is part of the metric system, its units are SI units. there was a system of decimal time, if that’s what you mean, developed in France during the revolution, where a day is 10 hours, each 100 minutes, each 100 seconds
so a decimal hour is 2.4 standard hours
a decimal minute is 1.44 standard minutes
a decimal second is 0.864 standard secondsI think it’s cheating to call it metric if it’s not decimal. Even some of the oldest analog clocks had 24-hour faces, they were just a bitch to read in a watch-size. You still have to do stupid math to figure out duration past the 12 or 24, and even with the 60 minutes/1 hour. Nothing metric or superior about it.
how heartbeat? I have a metric calendar that only one other person likes. 13 months of 4 weeks of 7 days, with one day leftover for celebrating my birthday (because i decided we’re doing the calendar, the day off is my birthday suck it trebek)
This teaches you the value of terms like “half past noon“ and “quarter to midnight“
In Europe they say “point five past noon” and “point two five to midnight”
Norwegian here. I don’t recognize this. Where in europe do they say it like that? We mostly use the 12 hour system to talk about time of day, but write in 24 hours. We don’t say am or pm though.
Is this a joke no one is getting or something?
is that what German humor is like?
In europe they say knock-knock-knock who’s there, not knock-knock whos there, for jokes.
I guess you’re making a joke about .5 being half and .25 being quarter. We say half past 11 in the US too.
The real problem is languages that use “half 11” and it means 11:30 or 10:30 depending on where you are.
that seems overly complicated
“Closes at 25:00” is funny too
But luckily unambiguous.
12:30 pm is half-past noon.
12:30 am is half past midnight, or as you would say 00:30
The m is “meridian” which is noon (sun straight up)
The a is ante/before and the p is post/after
In olden days it was easier to look up and set your clock at noon than midnight.
By the definition of post meridian, though, half past noon should be 0:30 pm.
We use the 12 at both ends because there it is sitting at the top of the clock
It doesn’t mean that.
Large parts of the world use 24h time regularly. Only Americans, as far as I know, really struggle with 24h time, roundabouts, and bidets as concepts.
American here. I use 24h time, vastly favor roundabouts over traffic lights, and I would rather poop at home with my bidet attachment than get paid to poop at work. I’m not exactly your average American, but there are probably millions of us. The world mostly hears the loud dipshits because they are loud and their thoughts are dipshit enough that people who hear them feel the need to tell somebody about what a stupid dipshit take they heard from some loud dipshit.
Yeah, I’m also an American. Those are examples from personal experience.
When I was growing up the dipshit town where my family lived was thinking about installing a roundabout instead of the series of 4 lights in front of the Walmart. The level of genuine panic it caused was insane. Huge groups at city council meetings with signs worried about car insurance rates going up because of “all the accidents it will cause!” Needless to say, it didn’t happen. Meanwhile, roundabouts work just fine for the rest of Earth and I’ve only ever seen one accident in one, due to construction.
Why on earth would anyone be afraid of roundabouts? Like they aren’t even more complicated than traffic lights to understand.
Fear of change and hate of “The Other.” Town full of the most hate-filled Boomers I’ve ever seen.
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Roundabouts should decrease premiums, as they essentially eliminate Tbone collisions
Won’t somebody think of insurance companies!?
This is poetic
did someone mention dipshittery? i have a card in case you need me
In Europe, all our roundabouts have bidets installed. This is to repel all the dipshits.
There are countries in Europe that don’t use bidets. Not even a handheld bidet shower. In those countries they don’t even wash their ass or cooch the old school way unless they are from a migrant family.
Bidets are slowly growing in popularity in the USA. But only for home installation, I haven’t seen them in public restrooms yet.
hey we’re getting better at roundabouts
no really they are installing them at a frightening pace and if you’re under 60 you’ve figured them out, especially the toilet roundabouts what flush you out. over that… well… i’m not going to talk about my MIL i’m trying to wind down not get angryMy wife is from Colombia and not used to the 24 hour system.
Does she refer to it as “hora militar” though?
No. She just says “in French” for the 24 hour system, and “in Spanish” for the 12 hour system, since that’s where she noticed the difference in our context.
Technically she’s still American. Just South American.
i just got in an argument with all of lemmy not half an hour ago in my head and earlier than that in reality that no one else gets to claim american because i don’t know. i was on your side on this argument.
Maybe because of the caveat “technically” giving readers easy distinction between geographic American and the American nation? Or maybe just the bad luck of hitting the hivemind wrong.
Either using both or mostly issuing 24h is a thing in the Eastern hemisphere, so Europe, Africa, and Asia. It’s not universally applied, but there’s lots of places that use it on things like telling you when a TV show will be on, for example.
Par example
Hard mode: set time zone to UTC (or Reykjavik; it’s the same) and force yourself to add/subtract offset hours every time you want to know local time. Also, this forces you to track when exactly daylight saving time starts and stops.
Benefit: you know when space probe stuff happens because they’re almost always timestamped UTC. Also, playing Eve Online becomes slightly easier.
I still can’t understand that the one thing the entire world agreed upon is DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME. I mean, there was someone or a group of people, with the skills to convince ever country on their point of view and they spend their expertise on this? Not on world peace or human rights or anything that would lift our species up? Seriously, why?
I do it because then I don’t put my calendar appointments in at oh, 3:00 AM.
15:00 is SOOOOOO much better for adhd me.
Also: it makes total sense! 24 hours, 24 separate numbers. It’s the most logical conclusion.
Also fewer wasted pixels on the am/pm text. 24h is just objectively superior in every way.
I do this because I kept setting AM alarms to PM and missing them. We are not the same.
