Retribution against who? We don’t know who did it or if they were associated with any group.
The ‘who’ was decided long before Kirk was shot. Trump has been praying for this day. He doesn’t give a shit about who shot Kirk. Trump can tell his cultists anything and they will believe it. Shit, Trump could have shot Kirk himself, on camera, and his imbecile army would believe it was the ghost of Jimmy Carter if Trump said so. People are saying that this is the spark that will touch off Trump’s retribution. Bitches, his retribution was already well underway.
I’m pretty sure you know who: whoever they’re scapegoating this month, which is probably us.
But the real reason they want a civil war is that they think they have the upper hand and can establish minority rule.
That’s an impressive amount of exactly-right squeezed into very few words.
You think that’s going to stop a determined idiot?
No, the question is purely rhetorical.
So should it have been war when that nightclub happened in Florida? Or maybe all schoolchildren in the country oughta declare war on everyone else.
Retribution? To who? Your own party for inviting violence and radicalizing your own populace with hate and intolerance?! How about making a million empty promises and not seeing a single one come to fruition, and now your citizens are seeking retribution from the liars and cheaters who stole their votes to enrich themselves on the backs of the American people, the very people who lifted them into power. Gonna go around punching yourselves in the face?
The GOP is already at war with us. They are stealing all of our public funding, they are taking away vaccines that save our lives, they are sending in armed military to keep us in fear, and they have purchased the supreme court to give them whatever they want.
The war started in January when the pedophile got into office.
They’re just mad they got punched back
We don’t even know that. Its completely possible kirk was cheating on his wife with the killer and things did not end amicably.
In most cases of murder the murderer is somebody the victim knew.
Please God, if you exist, let this have been done by a jilted lover. Give us a sign that there’s a light at the end of the tunnel and we’re on track towards the funniest timeline.
I hope it was a diehard Trump supporter.
They always lie and say it was a leftist anyway. The truth is what trump says not what we see with our eyes.
Yeah… I know. I can hope though.
Supposed pictures of the shooter are out now. It’s a white male, who could have figured that one out!?!?!
What is it they think they are threatening to do at this point? Taking hostages? Send them to a death camp? Cleanse entire communities? They kinda already came in hot and late to be threatening that there is anything left to lose worth stopping at prior to this point.
At this point the right wing description of a leftist is so amorphous it includes everyone and nobody.
So for conservatives it probably means brown people and trans people.
So, people on the right are calling for violence against the left? And this is different from any other day ending in Y because…?
This is something a lot of people don’t seem to understand. The right has already been calling for leftists to be dragged to the streets and executed. Celebrating a dead Nazi isn’t going to change that.
In DC they just straight up fabricated some bullshit. People who think kirk getting a lead pill changes anything are delusional.
War against who? Do we have the perpetrator? Do we know their political affiliation? The Trump shooter was a registered Republican. Are they waging war against their own party?
Obviously they don’t need evidence to be horrifically violent shit stains, they’ve managed that well enough so far.
The shooter could be a sitting MAGA congressman, and they’d still say he was a liberal.
When 9/11 happened, they were scheming in the White House the next day about how they could blame this on Iraq, because that’s who they wanted a war with, even though everyone knew that it was Al Qaeda, led by Osama Bin Laden, and financed by Saudi Arabia.
I love how some officials are already calling it a “political assassination” and everyone is talking about “political violence” when there’s not even a suspect.
We don’t know what the shooter’s motives were, but there’s a whole bunch of people who really want this to be political.
When this turns out to be a disgruntled MAGA nut, I hope they reflect fondly on " We are all domestic terrorists".
Not a snowball’s chance in hell, unfortunately. These people are incapable of believing that their own side would do anything bad. It causes too much cognitive disonance, going against the narrative they built up about themselves being the victims and not the perpetrators.
They will just, yet again, claim that the shooter was secretly a Democrat or brainwashed by woke liberal Democrats.
He donated a dollar to a children’s hospital when he was in line at the grocery store when he was 12, so he’s always been a Commie socialist terrorist Venezuelan gang member.
I love how some officials are already calling it a “political assassination” and everyone is talking about “political violence” when there’s not even a suspect.
It’s probably not a good idea to beat around the bush with this one. The mango in chief himself is saying this shit (TW: the link is truth dot social).
At about 3 minutes in:
“Radical-left violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives.”
Followed by bullshit about how great of a person Charlie Kirk was, and then
“Charlie was the best of America and the monster who was attacking him was attacking our whole country”
the monster who was attacking him was attacking our whole country
Almost got it. He wasn’t attacking the “whole” country, just MAGA. I doubt that I would have to worry about my safety with the killer. A MAGA Nazi should, though.
I’d just woke up and hadn’t read this mornings news yet.
I mean, it’s pretty obviously political. We may not know the exact motives but the victim and timing make it clear that politics is involved in one way or another.
This whole thing reeks of an inside job.
The shooter evaded surveillance and blended in with the crowd, shot him from 200 yards off on top of a multi story building, then jumped off of the building and managed to run away, ditching the rifle in the woods nearby, along with some kind of writing and identifying initials left on ammo and the rifle which could be a simple misdirection. It certainly must not expose the shooter as a liberal or it would be plastered all over the news by now in high detail.
Im not aware of any targeted political assassination in recent memory where the shooter planned their escape so meticulously. This wasnt someone randomly waking up and deciding to kill Kirk. It also definitely wasn’t someone cosplaying that had no idea what they were doing but tried to plan. Regular people dont confidently jump off of multistory buildings without knowing how to do that shit.
Plus the only reports we have from people who were there mention that there was a particular lack of security/police presence for such a divisive event. I think this dude is a manufactured martyr. What moral evidence is there that the MAGA party wouldnt stoop that low? Their entire political compass is defined by scrapping the bottom of the barrel. Not to mention Kirk was an up and coming political threat to the likes of JD Vance or whoever, only 4 years away from being able to jump into a presidential race and probably take the lead…
You don’t remember the United Healthcare shooter getting away? I think you’re just really overestimating how hard it is to kill someone and get away from the scene immediately afterwards. Now, not getting caught later is harder to do but it’s not like action movies where you have to fight your way past 100 guards to escape. You just run away from the location with everyone else who’s running from the gunshots.
I don’t know that I believe the whole thing was a conspiracy. It’s theoretically possible but so are a lot of really unlikely things. I just think the fact that the shooter got away doesn’t say as much as you think it does.
Exactly. The United Healthcare shooter is still at large, so it’s clearly not that hard.
It’s pretty clear it was a political hit. It’s doubtful that his wife hired a hit man sniper to kill him because he was cheating or something.
Bring it pussies! I don’t live my life in fear like right-wingers. I will defend myself with deadly force if I have to. The 2nd amendment works for all sides.
Retribution against who, exactly…? Who do they randomly want to lynch in the street? Just the next person they see with hair that’s too long/short in their view? Maybe they want to shoot up some more gay bars…?
They have a long history of lynching people.
It’s kind of their go-to.
That’s ideal. I’ve seen trucks with “kill your local pedophile” on them.
Some people are looking for a reason to identify people they don’t like as someone worthy of death.
“Not a registered Republican? Or the wrong sort of registered Republican? Well I feel justified in killing you in retribution for a random media figure being shot and killed by… someone. Because frdm.”
Crime in Utah is out of control. Fucking red state criminal haven, send in the Guard!
A single and fatal shot fired from the roof of a tall building 200 yards away while Kirk was under a canopy.
Despite strict lockdown procedures being a normal part of every college campus in 2025, the college officially evacuates the campus and the shooter just walks away.
The FBI quickly catches and releases the wrong suspect twice, and the only description they can offer is a man in dark clothing.
I have to admit this does have government conspiracy written all over it, but guess who currently controls the government?
Well, that side has been itching to start their civil war, and they’re absolutely capable of sacrificing one of their own in order to obtain the license they think they need. Stranger things have happened.
Yeah that shot was masterful… conspiracy or not, this was a trained sniper.
I’m a hunter. I shoot my guns maybe 3-4 times a year (couple days at the range and a couple actually hunting). Like, less than 100 rounds/year between four guns. So I’m not a great marksman, and definitely not a “trained sniper”.
This would be an easy shot for me. At 150 yards, I can shoot a 1/2" grouping, and I have a low-end rifle and scope. You don’t have to account for bullet drop or wind at that distance. Just aim and shoot.
Nooot really? I mean I’m not gonna lie I haven’t really looked into the exact shooting here but 200 yards isn’t really that crazy of a shot. If you assume the shooter was aiming for the neck it becomes a bit of a crazy shot, but I bet they were aiming for the head or body.
I’m sure many people who regularly go hunting could land a 200 yard shot. Heck I bet if you gave someone a few weeks of practice in a range they could consistently land 200 yard shots.
I say this from a place where I actually have fired guns before, including things like Ar-15s and an assortment of hunting rifles. They’re just too easy to use.
Not sure it was just the fact they made the shot. They also got away.
For now sure. I doubt the killer will get away with it forever, and even if he does, I won’t be shocked if someday we found out that it was just a hunter, who escaped into the local desert/woods/mountains whatever is near that town.
I have little faith in cops in general to do the right job, and with the amount of confusion, “We got him!” “No we didn’t!” “We got him!” “Also not this guy!” on the scene it’s not astounding that the shooter wasn’t caught immediately, at least to me anyway.
Make no mistake someone is going down for this. I get the sense they have no idea who it was so they are just gonna pick someone up after awhile.
Yeah, this wouldn’t surprise me.
The shooter was very professional and shot him in the upper chest. The bullet ricocheted off his armor plate and into his neck. When the bullet hit the vest, it flattened and the jagged edges cut that main artery instantly and he bled out. The shooter was probably about 70-80 feet above Charlie, with 3,000 people around, a tent probably covering Charlies head, and had to flee the scene and blend in with the crowd running.
This sounds like government job all day long.
200 yards is anything but masterful, with even a low-end scope its an easy shot if you’ve spent more than a day or two practicing at a range. The armys qualifying target is a human silhouette set at 300 yards and they are using open iron sights with no magnification or aid whatsoever.
Could have been former military? They used a single shot and then eloped with no trace. Very clean and professional.
Could have been luck. I agree with you, but I’m just saying that it also could have been luck.
Let’s get some National Guard troops on the ground in Utah! DC was invaded because a little shit was beaten up by a child. No talk of Utah and an actual killing. Typical.
Good thing crime can’t happen in red states.
If you’re R in a red state, “crime” doesn’t exist for you. It’s a thing brown people do.
Utah is a republican-ran state, unlike the ones he’s already deployed troops into
That’s my point, he makes these flimsy reasons for invading but the big ones he just shrugs. Keeps making him look weak. Such a pusillanimous.
Mormons are still a religious minority and have long been a scapegoat in the US. Church of LDS has an eye watering amount of wealth that they aren’t sharing with Uncle Sam or Trump.
That’s a good point that I hadn’t appreciated until just this moment. The fact that the killing occurred in Utah makes it seem relatively likely to me that it was carried out by a Mormon anti-Trump conservative.
What about the assassination of a senator? Did that also upset the right, or where they all cheering?
It’s okay if they kill a demon-rat. The brain washing combined with stupidity dissolves them of any wrong doing.
What other time in history did people call other people rats and cockroaches?
On one hand, I agree with the point. Political assassinations should be condemned by the right, and it shouldn’t be acceptable to have people giving a pass on political grounds.
On the other hand, I was reading the comments on here after Kirk was shot, and almost without exception, people here were cheering. I saw one or two comments from people saying something like “political assassinations are bad”, and people heavily downvoting them.
Now, okay. I can’t prove that some of the users commenting and cheering on the assassination weren’t, say, bots aimed at trying to create political division and polarization, though I doubt that the Threadiverse is likely the juciest of targets for that sort of thing; not a huge userbase. But my strong suspicion is that we are failing to meet the bar being asked of the right here.
Yeah, the problem I’m seeing now is that everyone on the right is seeing the left’s reaction. And now they don’t care if the shooter actually was someone from the left or not.
The response they see is all they need to justify any reaction. Of course they’re conveniently forgetting their own response (and Charlie Kirk’s response) to Pelosi’s attacker.
Tolerance is not a paradox; it is a social construct. The difference between the assassination of the Minnesota state rep and the assassination of Charlie Kirk is that the Kirk was openly inciting violence against others. He rejected the social construct and was thus no longer protected by it.
You know Charlie Kirk repeatedly said dead children were a small price to pay for the second amendment?
Do you weep for dead Nazis? I don’t.
I’m of two minds about celebrating his death, in that I do, but I agree that people cheering vigilante killings is a sign of an unhealthy society. We definitely have an unhealthy society, and it seems like there’s not a functioning justice system for prosecuting people who foment hatred or commit societal murder, but this could lead to an American Reign of Terror, which would obviously be tragic.
That said, there’s a difference between being glad someone’s gone and declaring war on half of the political spectrum. I won’t say it definitely didn’t happen, but I didn’t see anyone suggesting that we take revenge for that senator, even on Lemmy. Certainly not in as widespread a manner as I’m now seeing it for Charlie Kirk.
I’ll celebrate the death if anyone who’s entire existence is to being more pain, cruelty, and hatred into this world. CEO of an evil corporation? Spokesperson for a nazi propaganda network? Corrupt politician that has repeatedly voted against protecting minorities, rent control, of universal healthcare? They have all spread violence and misery to hundreds of millions of people because they thought they were untouchable.
I certainly see where you’re coming from; there’s a difference though.
Charlie Kirk was fighting to overturn the social contract; he didn’t think the country has to accommodate LGB (and especially T) folks, atheists, Muslims, leftists, single women, et cetera. Hell, he loved political violence directed against Democrats.
People who break the social contract should not be surprised when they lose its protection.
Lemmykins are incredibly hypocritical.
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And of course the right winger regurgitates the old moronic “So much for the tolerant left”.
Read up on the paradox of tolerance.
Swing and a miss.
No right minded person is going to give empathy for a dead Nazi, but look at you go.
Strike two!
I hope you don’t fall off all the way up there bud
Maybe, yeah. But I’m thinking more that it’s that they’re human, and maybe humans on both sides aren’t all that great at holding themselves to that bar. Like, maybe it’s not that Threadiverse users are particularly abnormal as people go, and more that the normal person isn’t very good at refraining from giving “their side” a pass.
But I’m thinking more that it’s that they’re human, and maybe humans on both sides aren’t all that great at holding themselves to that bar.
Oh, you’re absolutely right. Both sides absolutely think “I’m going God’s righteous work” and that the other side is simply “evil”. The hyper-partisanship has been crazy for some time on both sides. And then along comes a sociopath authoritarian (Trump) to just kick it all up to 11…
State level politicians are less likely to have impact outside their state. Nobody knew Hortman. Kirk was known by virtually everyone. Much bigger impact, much bigger reaction.
2/4 of the people I talked to yesterday had no idea who he was, so not as big to folks who don’t end up seeing the full stage.
Exactly. I think most of America had no idea who he was. My wife had no clue who Kirk was. We even watched that South Park episode where Cartman mimics him. I assumed she knew who he was for some reason.
I’ve known about him since the 2016 election. I was appalled by his early 20s, raving mad MAGA character. I thought we were stuck with him for decades and decades because he was so young. Nope.
I also was not super familiar outside recognizing his name. I did a quick read on Wikipedia. Literally the only thing he has ever done in life is to sell hatred and lies to the maga idiots of my country, and he was sadly very successful at it. Also his wife is a former Miss America. Taking this fuckwit off the board is a net positive for human society.
I only knew of him as some right wing edgelord troll type until a month ago or so. Never saw him speak.
Given that the reaction from media on the left also shows a very different reaction Kirk vs. Hortman, I think your estimation of the difference between the two is not reflective of what’ll be the final reaction to these two events.
These are national talking heads. They know about all these events.
I was going to note that it’s not known who did it or why, but that doesn’t really matter, does it?
Nope. This shit is even on linkedin. And that includes my braindead countrymen too. They’re blissfully unaware that the melon-headed fuck would’ve called them unclean, stinky, smelly pajeets. Fucking morons.
you’ve seen it too. yeah there’s a line of people from every culture who who think he was going to bat for them but just being coy about it
Literally every culture.
That’s what a lot of people don’t want to admit. This brand of shitty populism isn’t just an American thing. It’s everywhere.
Alberta was just threatening to secede from Canada because of the same stuff. No one’s immune.
It never has before so why start now? Any excuse to bully and kill.
Guys if we’re not careful they’re going to turn the US Military on blue cities!
…oh wait.
