Mine is fresh highschool graduates getting 2 weeks of training to go work acute, all-male forensic psychiatry. We’re taking criminally insane men who are unsafe to put on a unit with criminally insane women.
…and they would send fresh high school graduates (often girls because hospitals in general tend to be female-dominated) in the yoga pants and club makeup they think are proffessional because they literally have 0 previous work experience to sit suicide watch for criminally insane rapists who said they were suicidal because they knew they would send some 18y/o who doesn’t know any better to sit with them. It went about how you would expect the hundreds of times I watched it happen.
My favorite float technician was the 60 year old guy who was super gassy and looked like an off-season Santa. Everybody hated that guy because they said he was super lazy but he would sit suicide watch all fucking shift without complaining and he almost never failed to dissapoint a sex pest who thought they were gonna get some eye candy (or worse).
What’s your example?
POTUS
Elected positions always have that risk, but normally there is some kind of expectation of relevant experience by voters.
some kind of expectation of relevant experience
heh
Imagine if voters only voted for responsible people who would make good presidents.
normally
There has been nothing normal about our elective process since the summer of 2015. And it’s only getting more fucked up across the board.
Cops
In Sweden (and most European countries?) you need a two year education (1,5 yr theoretical, 0,5 yr field training) before you can work as a police officer. I think in parts of US the training is just a matter of weeks/months, which is very little considering the situations one need to handle.
It’s 3 years here in Germany. Seems like some cops in the US are little more than hired thugs.
Or a little less.
That might lead to competency. We don’t do that here.
While Europe is far ahead in terms of training for police, I don’t think even 4 years is enough.
Judges… The fact they aren’t required to have gone through law school is horrifying.
This is somewhat location specific, each American state has their own rules for the judges, and some require law school and legal experience.
In what country are they not required to have gone through law school?
Magistrate Judges can be literally anyone in the US
I’m guessing 'Murica
In France we you appeal you get judged by other citizens drawn at random. One of the best systems we have
Not trying to be a jerk. Please take this as kindly as it is meant.
The past tense of “draw” is “drawn.” It is an irregular verb in English.
Silly English.
This didn’t make sense to me until I drew a picture
Thank you for expanding on my point. “Drawn” is the past participle, which must be used in passive constructions such as the above. “Drew” is simple past tense.
It’s the difference between past tense, and past participle. “I drew a picture” vs “the picture was drawn”.
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While thats technically allowed in Canada. When the Conservative party tried to do it under Harper and then-minister Poilievre to start stacking the court system with cronies, every part of the system raised hell enough for evem those religious nutters to back off.
Specify the country. Here (NL) judges must have gone through law school.
Making more people, the most complex thing that can be built with unskilled labor.
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Thats evolution baby
Nah, that’s baby evolution!
I don’t know if accident is the right word. There is definitely a process that needs to be done for the possibility of a kid to get created. It isn’t like people are just bumping into each other at the grocery store and suddenly they are having kids.
My damn penis slips in vaginas on accident all the damn time. Grocery shopping, golfing, working out, etc… I mean God wot were u thinkin there mate
One of the really notable things about war is that it’s so rare (if you aren’t the US military or else actively engaged in some ongoing conflict), and the rate of people dying and having to be replaced with brand new people is so high, that almost all the time it’s being done for real life-or-death stakes by people who are learning on the job as they go and have no real experience in what they are doing.
A lot of things about military decisions and events don’t completely make sense why they happened the way they do, until you imagine a whole airline being run by people most of whom it’s their first week on the job, and then you say oh okay I get it now; that’s why that happened that way.
We don’t have time to train people to make good decisions. Let’s just train them to say, “Yessir!”
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I need 4 years of education and 5+ years of experience to work as an engineer to give people something to look at on their phones.
Police need 6 months of training to make life and death decisions and they get a pension and permanent immunity when they fuck up
Lol 6 months? Where at? Most places I know of it’s 6 weeks.
Here (.nl) it’s a minimum of 3 years for the lowest ranking cops (vocational degree), depending on rank/function there is also a 4 year bachelors degree and a 5 year masters.
Damn that would be nice, we might actually have cops vs bullies with badges.
An educated bully with a badge is still that. Look at how the Police in Amsterdam broke up peaceful protests at universities. You could see them very happy to swing their long hard batons at young women because they need to compensate for something lacking those attributes.
You could see them very happy to swing their long hard batons at young women because they need to compensate for something lacking those attributes.
This would make Freud proud.
Plenty of counties in the US will elect you to Sherriff without any experience at all. Just say the right Tough On Crime rhetoric and you’re good to go.
And here is what you get: Former Clark County Sheriff Hit With More Fraud, Money Laundering Charges
Oh hai, neighbor LOL. YEEUP!
Hey while we’re at it check out what the library executive director and his lackeys have been up to.
Actually, this is Clark County Indiana (not Nevada). But I’m sure there is plenty of corruption to go around.
LOL whoooops. That’ll teach me to actually read links once in a while. But hey, we can be distant neighbors hahaha.
You’re right though, plenty to go around. If we could all root out corruption starting in our own neighborhoods, they’d have nowhere to run. :)
Depends on the level of cop. Our feds are 6mo, math- and psyche-heavy courses, and ruthlessly checked for background.
And, they don’t have immunity. They do a crime, they’ll do a time. Their oversight dept is rough as shit and there’s nowhere to magically transfer to unless ya emigrate.
I don’t consider the feds really cops though, like I know they are but at that point they’re a step above. I’m talking more about your average ticket nanny with a gun.
For me it is people making food, supplements, and drugs. From their production to their quality department. Just full of people that have no idea what they are doing and making poor decisions. That’s not even to mention the management and owners.
Bonus: Home inspectors / mold remediation “professionals”. Absolutely clueless.
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Pharm tech licensing varies wiiiiidely across the states. Some require natl very, some require basically on job training IIRC.
RPh not so much, but tech also has responsibility not to kill you with a misfill and more eyes are always good for preventing deaths.
The shit wages they pay in relation to being responsible in part for safety and accuracy (in retail) is a big part of why most retail is dangerously understaffed.
Same for insurance agents and real estate agents in many (most?) of US. HS, a couple weeks of “teaching to the test,” and a test is all it takes. Rote memorisation. - lots of those younger folks in insurance couldn’t define what they may/may not say/promise, or who is an “Insured” under a given policy.
MBAs who contract dev work out to India to make a quick buck without realizing how bad the code they’re going to get back usually is.
Shoutout to Raj the QA lead I worked with in India though. That dude’s team was thorough.
MBAs who contract dev work out to India to make a quick buck without realizing how bad the code they’re going to get back usually is.
Ah, but some of them DO know what they are doing! In the IT world, I have seen where people say a job is about 2-3 years, show no loyalty to the company, and so on. But they don’t understand managers are doing this, too. Many KNOW these outsourcers are shitty (or don’t care because that’s not a metric they care about beyond selling points), but in a 2-3 year turnaround time, by the time it’s apparent they don’t work, the people who made those decisions are already gone. They ALSO thought ahead to the 2-3 year plan. Here’s how that goes:
Year 1: Make proposal based on costs. Find someone in Puna who will sell you some package with some bright, smiling, educated people who speak whatever language and accent that makes your pitch. Proposals are made, and attached to next year’s budget.
Year 2: Start the crossover. Puna Corp has swapped out the “demo people” for their core chum bucket. Sometimes, they don’t even change the names. How is an American gonna know that the Vivek Patel they saw in the demo is not the same guy named Vivek Patel who is working with your bitter employees who see the writing on the wall? Sadly to many who don’t care, “they all look/sound alike.” Puna is a product, their employees are a static pattern of commodity. Your people say they are shit, but, “oh, those grumbling employees. Your job is safe! We can’t fire you, you are too valuable!”
Year 3: The crossover has gone badly, but you are already looking for the next company to work for. The layoffs happen, and all the good folks are gone, and replaced by the Puna Corp folks. Things start to go badly, but you already got one foot out the door, charming your way into another company.
Year 4: You’re gone. Your legacy is that you saved a butt-ton of money. You are a success! The product is shit, but that’s not your problem. By the time the company realizes the tragedy, it’s middle manager versus middle manager, all backstabbing and jumping ship. Customers don’t matter, marketing covers up the satisfaction. “Wow,” you say. “Things sure when to shit THE MOMENT I LEFT.” You look fantastic! When you were there, you saved money! When you left, it all went downhill! You are a goddamn rockstar. Then repeat.
I have seen this happen since the 90s with a lot of tech folks. Everyone thinking short term for themselves. Only the customers get screwed via enshittification.
Now I feel stupid that I always assumed they just don’t know better, but this makes a ton of sense - and they can even expect a raise each time they change jobs. So their whole career is based on bullshitting and they for sure make more money than me… I don’t like this thought process
Assholes love to fail upwards.
Having been in this exact same cycle twice myself, all I can say is that IT jobs are boring.
When you add on terrible software crossovers that amp up the stress without any extra income to justify it then that’s when everyone I know starts looking for their next gig.
Police, Judges, Presidents, Therapists, Executives, the whole US scammer industry of Noctors (“Functional” Neurologists and other chiropractors)
Therapists? Where can one become one without a masters? Or it like a pseudo therapist… homeopathy esque?
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But getting the PhD was the training. So it isn’t that they never received training it is that the training they received sucked and didn’t actually help them in the real world.
LCSW requires a minimum 4 years college education, and an LCSW is not the equivalent of a therapist.
I’m almost certain that every state not only requires at least an accredited master’s degree, but also a state board license that involves at least 2 years of clinical supervision. However, the supervision is based on the honor system of other licensed therapists, so there isn’t much oversight of the quality. Clinical supervisors usually charge for supervision, so there is a conflict of interest.
Sheriff is an elected position in the US no experience required.
Bonus answer, president of the United States, we’ve elected two mentally deficient celebrities so far…
- Reagan
- Trump
Don’t forget George W. Bush. Not a celebrity bit certainly an idiot.
There’s stories of small towns hiring sheriff’s which were related to the mayor.
And John Oliver’s dive into Sheriff’s in this Guardian Article: Tremendous amount of authority with low accountability’
Police reform is a uphill battle.
Worst are “constitutional sheriffs,” who claim the power and duty to defy or disregard laws they regard as unconstitutional (read: I don’t like this). They essentially try to reign supreme in their counties.
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I worked at an airport as a ramp agent and it was a minimum wage no experience job where if things fail on an 8/10 level you could cause a plane crash either by terrible luggage distribution or in effective deicing of the planes wings as an aside air canada has lower standard for deice training than most
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Parenting.
Are you sure I’m qualified??
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In some Northern European countries it’s mandatory for parents to attend pre-natal preparation.
The minutes of training I got before I got my forklift licence is uhhh… Yeah
Did they show you that awesome german workplace injury video?
I’m a certified forklift trainer and the training I needed for that was a single day that ended in a simple test…
There is no requirement that I am aware of for college professors to have any training in the fundamentals of instruction, and it SHOWS.
I aspired to work in education in college and took a lot of courses on adult education and how to teach people. I recognized that my favorite teachers in K-12 used those techniques , while realizing none of it was done at the college level.
I don’t work in education but I find myself using those techniques all the time in the workplace. And there’s a clear difference between my department’s onboarding and capabilities versus others.
I really noticed this once I found myself at the community college. The school liked to market that you were educated by “working professionals with industry experience.” which translated to the school paying them less than their second, full-time job on top of all the stuff about them not knowing how to teach while they were in charge of the grading of 20+ classes per semester. Prior to that in my experience I had only ever come across professors who were incredibly passionate about what they were teaching or alternatively were incredibly passionate about teaching-itself. it was eye-opening in the most frustrating way.
This is kind of backwards in the aviation world: There’s a whole separate certificate for flight instructors which involves training in psychology, lesson planning and all that in addition to stuff like flying the plane from the right seat, spin training and all that. Thing is, it’s often baby’s first aviation job. A lot of flight instructors are freshly minted commercial pilots and their first lesson is their first revenue flight. You don’t get to go fly jets for the charters and airlines without experience, and where do you get experience? flying smaller, less expensive aircraft. What’s the single biggest demand for pilots flying smaller, less expensive aircraft? Flight schools.
9/10 of my graduate professors couldn’t profess their way out of a paper bag. The actually good teachers were limited because they didn’t research enough. Fuck grad school.
That’s because professors are still intended to be researchers first, which makes sense for the cutting edge topics, but there’s a ton of college level fundamentals you need to understand first.
