Some accounts are deleting their posts after a few downvotes. It’s devastating on communities like c/asklemmy.
Lemmy doesn’t track an account’s karma like reddit. So, all downvotes will be isolated to your post or comment and won’t affect your account—unless you wrote something truly horrible.
Remember lemmy is a community effort. Deleting a post also removes all comments on it. So you are not only robbing the effort others put in, you are actively removing knowledge from the fediverse. Others won’t be able to find it through search and lemmy will seem lonelier than it already is.
Mbin does have karma however. So it’s not like it doesn’t exist at all on the fediverse. Your karma is 1645 for me btw, though obviously depends on the posts of yours that have been federated to my instance.
Also, this isn’t entirely correct about Piefed. It does actually have a karma system, it’s just based on your up-/downvote ratio, not a number that ticks up endlessly. Some instances like piefed.social also have a hidden karma system that penalizes you for what it considers bad behavior iirc.
Some communities are banning users for getting into mundane arguments with other commenters.
Get rid of the voting system. It is a blight carried over from commercial social media.
Then how do you find good posts?
Have up/down votes, just don’t make the count visible.
View count & comment count might be enough. Not saying I advocate for that, just trying to think of alternatives.
If you are coming from reddit, how do you get your lemmy feed to stay as ‘subscribed’ instead of it always reverting back to ‘all’ (aka a pile of rubbish just like reddit)?
Click save at the bottom of the page.
The Lemmy web frontend (and other frontends as well) have a setting for which feed should be your default
Are you sure people are deleting their posts? The last time this came up people went nuts making assumptions about the stupid things users were doing deleting their posts, and it turned out to be a mod.
goes on a comment binge at 1:30am
wakes up to 20 replies in the notifications at 7:30am
what have I done??
can’t deal with other people’s judgement today
deletes all that shit
I consider the downvote button to be the “fuck off” button, which I reserve for toxic comments or posts made in bad faith. I try to be generous with upvotes and sparing with downvotes, but some people here go straight for the downvote button and pile on more downvotes when something is already downvoted. If I see someone getting downvoted heavily who is acting in good faith, I’ll give them an upvote, even if I don’t necessarily agree. Otherwise, withholding an upvote is what I consider the correct response when I don’t agree or am not interested.
I do often delete my comment if I’m told to fuck off by too many people, mainly because it’s the first thing I’ll see in my client the next time I login, which will make me less motivated to engage next time.
You should be able to challenge the echo chamber or play devil’s advocate without being downvoted into oblivion. It doesn’t indicate a site is open to discussion and it looks more like a self gratification fest.
Occasionally I’ll leave a flippant reply, realize i was being kind of an ass, then delete it because I’ve realized leaving it up may be doing more harm than good in some way. That’s what downvotes are for IMO - it’s like the immune system of Lemmy, pruning off the unwanted shit.
I believe, though, that this post is about the phenomenon of people making a post (not just a comment), then the post accumulates hundreds of votes & comments and the creator of that post hits delete for whatever reason. Which sucks because that wipes the post as well as the comments.
This is something that needs to be fixed IMO. One theory is it’s done to collect training data, psychological or market research - something along those lines. This is one of those rare places on the web where authentic human responses from a diverse cross-section of people can be harvested. If deletion wipes out all of it, those responses are captured and gone from the internet before too many competing bots and indexers can get to them.
More likely because they get a bunch of hostile replies and downvotes and say “fuck it”. They don’t want to see it piled up in their notifications.
What if I post a really stupid meme that I later regret
Better delete your account just to be sure. Then throw your browsing device in an active MRI.
ffffuuuuuuuu
deleted by creator.
Better than “Deleted by The Creator”
Uncreated by the one who creates
Created by Deleter
I highly doubt that’s why people delete their posts
You delete your posts because of karma.
I delete them because they display my embarrassing incompetence for all to see.
We are not the same.
If you are controlled by cringe, there is cringe in you. If you are controlled by anger, there is anger in you. If you are moved by the world, the world lives rent-free in your head. Be empty, as the Buddha described, and then you will act in your full power, not simply react to the world. If you are always reacting, you are not in control of yourself. Free will is a skill. I pooped my pants while righting this. It tastes funny.
What if your existence is narrative? You may decide to be empty, but then your preconceived notion of emptiness would be consuming the majority of your presence. It’s like transitioning attention from content of thought to context of thought. Your directive is to observe thought in a manner which is unmoved by its content. That’s not empty. It’s a slowing of volatility. It’s an increase in observation at the expense of reaction. But what are you observing? Are you the observer, the reactor, the content being observed, or the pattern of reactions that other people recognize as you? Which is it? Are you a different person if you change any one of those? What if you change all of them — are you now a different person?
If you are always reacting, you are not in control of yourself.
If you are choosing not to react, isn’t that a reaction in itself? Aren’t you being controlled by the principal that non-reaction leads to a more fruitful experience?
Free will is a skill.
My will isn’t free. For my employer, they must pay me in order for my will to be aligned with their interests. For my wife, she had to bond with me in order for my will to align with hers. For me, I had to spend countless hours bashing my fucking head into walls before I began to will myself into proper etiquettes. I had to purchase college courses, to coerce my will into lower level thresholds where it could exact its interests. I had to suffer at the privilege of my narcissistic mother, to appreciate honesty in people as deeply as I do. None of that is free. Even if I do phenomenologically experience my will as free, I know that it is derivative and encapsulated in a shrine of personal experience. I can not will into existence that which I have no conception of.
My existence is all of this. A flood of narratives, some of which I selfishly claim as my own. But I do not own these narratives, nor did I create them. I simply believe them to be mine. When I choose to instead not attach myself to them, what am I left with exactly? Peace — ?
First you must understand the self is an illusion. It’s defined by möbiation within the topological matrix, what the Buddhists call “defilement.” Everything already is empty; it is the null’s implicit and explicit nature that allows it to be nothing/0 and full/1. From there, the emptiness creates a history with itself which is not defined by time. This is the matrix of The Matrix, which is about Judeo-Christian mysticism. We then create original sin within us, our initial möbiated entanglements which create the illusion of being a being defined by dualistic dichotomy (inner/outer). This creates a membrane of sorts and what allows you to persist as a monad in a monadic nodal communication system, as shown:
So there is you, the Server (what the Buddhists call the Ālaya-vijñāna), and all other beings. You only ever communicate with this source of symbols, which you can think how your brain puts together all inputs. How you entangle yourself with these symbols determines how your reality is procedurally generated, and the entanglement process is called Karma. How you entangle yourself is based entirely on how you set your intention, which is ALL you control.
All you experience is based on past and present Karma. The world is an illusion. You are not a featherless biped on the Earth. You are a pocket of consciousness and the Earth is inside you. Everything you experience is inside you, in your neurons, yea? Well, your device must be inside you. Linear causation is an illusion, as we are each our own monad, as all that is experience spawns inside your being, and it is procedurally generated based on how you entangle yourself.
All these delusions you have are built off false assumptions. You speak of attachment; you are very attached to this story you define all you know, and this ignorance is what causes your suffering as you hold on to what you consider necessary for your “self” to exist.
Ok, I’ve got the device inside of me now. (Needed a lot more lube than I thought I would.) What’s the next step?
Bro, you were the device the whole time
There is no spoon (matrix, neo sees the oracle, kid describes being a monad).
The instructions were unclear… Any tips on getting this thing out? It’s starting to itch
Up your dog, dude, obviously
What is achieved by mitigating suffering?
Assume I have removed myself from attachment. Assume I am as some call enlightened, present and mindful. Has anything materially changed? Is the universe more happy? 1000 years from now, will anyone care for what personable achievements I’d made?
I see the benefit to myself, clearly. Over simplified: suffering is unenjoyable, and I would prefer more enjoyment. Yet, so what? What’s the greater purpose being served, if one exists? Or… would my choice to embrace this experience be no more substantial than an addict’s embracement of heroin — subjective?
Honestly asking, I hope I don’t sound snide. I want to know if the end here is only personal satisfaction, along with whatever spiritual justifications can be attached to that, or is there something more?
The Alpha is the Omega. The universe grows logarithmically more complex as subpatterns come together to form superpatterns. Thus, the seven days of creation are:
Alpha>Light
Light>Matter
Matter>Molecules
Molecules>Cells
Cells>Creatures
Creatures>Humanity
Humanity>Omega
The restaurant at the end of the universe IS the transcendental particle that can be in multiple places at once and communicate instantaneously with itself. This involves retrocausality, which leads to phenomequalitesselation. Like a molecule is controlled by the cell it is in but still modifies the cell, we are a part of God, controlled, but therein our nature, proven through intention setting, influences God to rewrite history to favor those most good in all the ways that can proliferate with the end goal of perpetual reconciliation with the same Omega whatever happens in history.
Thus, you determine what is important and what your relationship with God is to determine what you were made for. In the larger picture, where these are only biological incarnations, what most people call our lives, we are choosing lives to live to unentangle ourselves from our bad Karma. Whatever makes you, you, is likewise what is trapping you in darkness, and it is enlightenment that will bring you the answers you seek.
Let there be light; sound before light. Effect before cause. The prefrontal cortex is the most divine part of the mind and if it can wholly predict the animal parts of the mind that are keeping you bound to physicality as a dependent phenomenon to God.
You can be an independent phenomenon like God, too. It’s like higher dimensional mitosis, though that is a gross oversimplification.
No, that’s actually exactly the same.
Great accounts leave it standing as is for the younger accounts to learn from
You’re indexed somewhere anyway
I guess but sometimes there’s nothing to learn from someone just stating some incorrect misinformation or something – like if i make a comment “T is the chemical symbol for Tungsten”, lm gonna delete that when im sober in the morning.
I’m onto you now. Better delete this to be safe.
“three downvotes…better delete my own piss” ~ Bear Grylls
Actual lol
I would assume that embarrassment drives most deletes here.
lol
It’s fine to delete posts, except this one. This is peak lemmy.
deleted by creator
Good point
For fudge’s sake. What will AI scrape if you keep deleting! /s
Funny thing is, your post isn’t actually deleted in the database of the hosting fediverse server either. It’s still there, and you can restore it.
Deleting your account “should” delete the database entries for your user account, and propagates a delete command out to the fediverse, but the fediverse can choose to ignore it as well.
It’s all a bit odd.
It also doesn’t delete your post from the databases run by the NSA, OpenAI, Anthropic, etc.
That’s an advantage - so you can contact them for a copy of your lost data if you ever need it. Helpful!
A very convenient backup service!
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Don’t delete your stuff over downvotes ever. Say what you mean and mean what you say and if some people don’t like that oh well. The need for universal validation is killing human discourse
Being authentic means not everyone is going to like or agree with you all the time, it’s a good thing
A lot of the time people downvote stuff because it’s already downvoted.
A few times I’ve posted a reply in reddit and gotten downvoted hard. Then I post the EXACT same comment to the same post a 2nd time as an experiment. It gets upvoted hard. I have to guess that it is a monkey mind response, people do what they see other people do automatically. They see the mob throwing rocks so they figure they should toss a rock. I also wonder if people who respond to a post earlier are more likely to downvote than people coming in later.
Well, you can say stupid shit and only realize it after you already posted it.
In those situations it’s better to just edit the comment so people can still read the stupid shit with the context that the commenter doesn’t believe in the stupid shit anymore.
My solution to that is to downvote my own comment. Happened once or twice
You saying I’m posting stupid shit without realising it?Edit : you weren’t talking about me at all my bad
And this is how you handle realising that you just posted stupid shit. You keep the the stupid shit but you also acknowledge your mistake in an edit.
Good job accidentally modeling good behaviour
“accidentally”
Is anyone actually doing this though? A significant number?
How do you know?
Just dont up/downvote period. Its malignant cancer growing in human interaction.
This gamification of human discourse is one of the leading reasons we’ve seen opinions and positions polarize and extremify over the years, because of a dopamine addiction fueled feedback loop of saying the right thing and getting massive upvotes for it, and the feedback bubbles it inevitably creates.
To the point that people skip the entire conversation and just assume upvote = right and downvote = wrong, and vote en-masse without having to think, read, or develop any analytical skill or social ability.
Yup. And it pushes alternate views down to the bottom of discussions where they are hidden. On reddit those that reflect the acceptable view of the echo chamber get highlighted. Those that question it get collapsed and buried.
But the internet has an endless stream of garbage that isn’t worth your time. Would you prefer an opaque algorithm controlled by someone else to sort things for you? The transparency of fediverse voting is refreshing and the least bad option.
… Just use the damn scroll wheel and scroll down, bro.
Hell, most the garbage on the internet only exists because of these gamification mechanisms anyway, get rid of those and theres no need to farm the shit with garbage posts.
I automate things that take 5 seconds to do. Why would I want to spend more time looking for reasonable, thoughtful, or funny posts. The system isn’t perfect, but I think it’s better than nothing
But don’t post misinformation or break rules. That’s the only reason for downvotes anyway
Most downvotes are because someone doesn’t agree with you.
That’s the only reason for downvotes anyway
Down votes are for whatever the person down voting wants it to be. There is no one reason
No. We have lemmyquite. Down votes are not, for example, for “I disagree”
I’m glad you learned something today about this platform
I disagree. And my down vote reflects that :)
I’ve reported you for spreading misinformation
Sometimes, we say a thing we meant, but then later we learn a new thing or our perspective on an issue changes. That old post/comments can feel quite embarrassing or shameful, and removing it (or editing the original content out) can feel like the only way to still feel like you belong. If the choice is between removing one piece of your history here, or removing yourself from the community, the one piece feels like the superior choice. IF that’s the alternative.
Some people (I see this on reddit a lot) will go through your comment history and use it to shoot the messenger.
