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    I play Skyrim. In that rpg video game you can be an assassin. After you kill Grelod the Kind, a child abuser, one of the children she tortured says:

    “Kill one person, and you can solve so many problems. I wonder at the possibilities.” - Runa Fair-Shield.

    When does assassination become an acceptable political strategy? I can see how bumping off many crazy men (and right now I can only name male dictators but I guess women could be just as bad) would make the world safer - well, safer if we assume it would not trigger a backlash and WW3.

    Maybe we could assassinate Kim and North Korea would rejoice not set off nukes? Maybe we could assassinate MbS and the Saudis would just shrug and appoint a new Crown Prince with a less murderous tendancy towards journalists and dissidents? But could we assassinate Putin, Trump, Xi, or Modi and not release hell?

    If I had a red button to press and it would remove Putin, Trump, Musk, Thiel, Hamas, Netanyahu, or other bad guys, should I press the button? What do you think?

    Note: this is a thought experiment - outside Skyrim, I never killed anyone, never worked as an assassin for hire, and have no desire to change that fact. I just want to read your thoughts on this topic - I think we’ve all wondered if there is a shortcut back to normality in face of current events but are we fooling ourselves?

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      “Kill one person, and you can solve so many problems. I wonder at the possibilities.” - Runa Fair-Shield.

      The whole of human history is solving a problem which then creates bigger, more complicated problems to solve.

      See also: The assassination of Franz Ferdinand

      See also see also: The Treaty of Westphalia

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      Putin and Xi…I’m pretty sure that, if they were topped, there’s enough institutional Authoritarianism that either there would be a “clean” and immediate change to someone with the next highest authority…or it would fall into civil war with just as much speed, rounds of assassinations back and forth until the power vacuum is filled by someone able to pull everyone left to heel…or the whole government falls apart…

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        You’d have power vacuums.

        In America it’s not too late. We have a clear succession strategy. It sucks…I think you’d have to pick people off till you got to Rubio to get back to something closer to normal. He’s #4. If you don’t stop there…it gets a lot worse before it gets any better.

        China, Russia, and especially Best Korea are so deeply entrenched, I don’t think succession would go as cleanly.

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        The Chinese would certainly just appoint a new president, no problem. Xi might be in charge, but the Chinese communist party isn’t some vestigial organ. Russia, however… Putin’s been exclusively in charge for long enough and with no immediately clear successor that I’m almost certain that his death is going to result in a power struggle and civil war.

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            Imo, if you want a picture of what the end of the Putinato looks like, I would say that the end of Mexico’s Porferiato would probably be a fairly accurate representation.

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      The big problem is the state which has such extreme power.

      The big part that makes those states work is default compliance, which allows that state to commit violence using everyone who complies (which is everyone by default). Individuals being non-compliant directly translates to power being syphoned away from the state. This is why morality and ethics education are so Important, as the state cannot do anything immoral if individuals refuse to do immoral actions. The second most important thing is transparency, since states utilize opacueness as a means to obfuscate the morality of actions. This is one reason why dense hierarchies are utilized in governments - to obfuscate actions and provide personal deniability to members of the state infrastructure.

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      Good people don’t become assassins, something bad people don’t have problems with.

      It’s never Hitler, Putin, Stalin or Trump who get assassinated. Always JFK, Martin Luther King, Bobby, …

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        I mean, plenty tried to kill Hitler. He was just really good at not getting assassinated. Frequent last-minute changes to planned public appearances helped a lot

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          The crusades existed many a day ago, Yahweh’s heavenly army battled once before.

          A fight must be unanimous however it must be on creeds agreed.

          It will be seering light, blinding, and in it - elusidating every facet of darkness among you. Only the wrathful will survive and for what? You must agree in your values to be truly mighty.

          See no creed, no color, and no gender. Witness inherent value in existing sentient. We only live when we enact our will.

          What is your will? Will you act? Or forever react.

          There is an army ripe for the picking. I am trying.

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      Biggest problem is that all of these people that you and me consider assholes do have a huge support. It’s not like a dictator can be a dictator without any support.

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        You can absolutely make a massive difference with just one person. People really underestimate how much importance one leader is…

        You do have to worry about the election after any assassination though lol.

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          You do have to worry about the election after any assassination though

          Assassination would just make Trump into a MAGA martyr. They would be riled up and energized.

          You would end up with MTG as Vance’s VP or something equally horrid.

          I’d rather he die from a heart attack or a lightning strike on the golf course.

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            Assassination would just make Trump into a MAGA martyr. They would be riled up and energized.

            Yes, then the next question is, whom would they rally behind after Trump? We can see a chain of command for the line of presidency, but without Trump, there’d be a power vacuum at the top of his cult. Either it gets filled with an acceptable substitute, or the obligate-followers in his fandom won’t know where to direct their energy.

            I wouldn’t be surprised if such a power vacuum created drama. Would Musk still be pulling so many strings in the government if Vance were president? Would he find a way to usurp even more unconstitutional government power, like how he controls DOGE? Would Vance tolerate Musk’s intrusions at all?

            Or would his loyalist followers rally behind someone completely different, like a media personality? They’re looking for charisma in a leader, after all, and neither Vance nor Musk have that the way Trump (or someone professionally on TV) does. It’s possible some right-wing boner rises up through the crowd. Then, since Trumpsters naturally orient themselves toward the biggest dick around, he (Trump’s successor would almost certainly be a “he”) would get all their attention.

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              I have to wonder. P2025 has hit the ground running. Wouldn’t they have a contingency in place for just such an occasion? I’d bet they already have someone up their sleeves for the eventuality of him passing on his own. There is definitely someone up their sleeves for if we have another election. I do think there would be a vacuum. I think it would be short lived. We all suspect the gop is falling in line due to blackmail material. Their relief of the blackmailer being dead would be short lived when they realize he didn’t actually hold the cards. They’d all fall in line behind whoever the back room tells them to.

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          I’m reminded the example of the people’s will and the assassination of Alexander II. One person doesn’t change a system. On the other hand taking out all the billionaire donors that craft a system, well that might be something else. They could just buy a new leader.

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      What the fuck is this comment bro? Killing people is wrong. Trying to use videogame logic as your excuse is disgusting.

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    The president accused Bolton of publishing sensitive information and said the book’s publication “created a grave risk that classified material was publicly exposed.”

    This classified material?

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      Remember the old days, when the bathroom reading material was a stack of Reader’s Digest on the back of the toilet?

      I hope he’s in there one day tweeting his atrophied brains out on the toilet, and that chandelier drops on his head, and ends him. The only more fitting end would be him choking out during auto-erotic asphyxiation.

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      Is… is this the real picture? Of the classified material that was shared by trump? Holy fuck lmfao. I thought it was like one letter or something, secretly hidden under the rug; this looks hilarious I’m sorry.

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        no the entire archival institute that had to dig up this shit (because it was missing) which he then lied about giving back, trump then got subpoenaed for lying about it.

        Yeah no this is literally a criminal conspiracy as far as the government is concerned.

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        That’s not even the worst of it. Several rooms full of documents were found at his property and, though everyone seems to focus on the toilet one, IMO the worst is the one of a storage room full of classified documents plus a scanner/printer.

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            Sadly, it is real.

            e: and in case anyone reading this doesn’t get the implication, notice where the only power outlet in this room is (the white cable leading across the ceiling and along the piping to the office printer, which is the whitish thing at the right of this photo).

            It’s basically the only thing besides boxes of documents in this storage room. It was plugged in and being used, not stored. This is so much worse than the toilet photo, yet everyone I show this to hasn’t seen it.

            e2: Oh, and don’t forget, this was the ‘holdout’ room, to which maintenance supposedly ‘lost’ the key the first couple of times the feds showed up, then right when they got their ‘no, really’ warrant, it was supposedly flooded by a faulty pool pump. That’s this room. Fuck, in all the insanity, I’d forgot that last bit.

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          I feel like I’m being trolled right now. This cannot possibly be real.

          And this guy is actually the president. Fuck America. How could this happen.

          I fucking had less boxes when I moved into my new apartment lmfao.

          The printer is a nice little touch. Love the black accent between all these white boxes.

          I mean this honestly: You would tell me if this was fake, right? This is actually real?

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              I am not American and wasn’t as invested as the rest of you (Americans). Mystery solved. I knew that he shared classified material and that was it.

              Did you read about the last Bundestag debate? It was like a huge deal.

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              As an American, I can tell you this is my first time seeing this… and I actively seek out information. Just joined lemm.ee and it’s already paying off.

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              The question isn’t quite as funny as you think. I am German and didn’t actually expect the USA and their „president“ to be an actual meme.

              Like… this stuff is an actual joke. But it’s your own fault in America.

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            I feel like I’m being trolled right now. This cannot possibly be real.

            It’s real. The US is on an extreme downward spiral and MAGA plays violin whilst the country burns.

            The weird thing is I think we all knew the USA was doomed but I personally didn’t expect to see the downfall in my lifetime and not on a speedrun like it is now. Crazy times

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            Remember, they played an audio recording of him claiming to show classified documents that weren’t declassified to his workers who don’t have clearences.
            https://youtu.be/inVJF0Dr8mo

            He outright admits that the documents aren’t declassified, while knowing he was being recorded, and reads them to people not classified for the documents he’s showing them supposedly. (About 1:20 if want to skip is where he starts admitting to a criminal offense)

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            The best part is that this was known long before he was elected the second time.

            Any one who goes “I was lied to!” is straight-up just an idiot who regrets that they had to feel a consequence. At best they’re just mind-bogglingly ignorant of how the world functions which is no excuse.

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              I agree with you. Everyone who voted for this, or even worse, didn’t vote at all, deserves to get their healthcare, job security and retirement destroyed. And I will laugh at them when they start crying. What a bunch of worthless idiots.

              Is this mean? If so I’m not sorry.

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                I don’t agree that they should lose their human rights. Dehumanization is a step too far for me.

                I believe there is some level of healthcare that is a human right.

                I don’t think “job security” or “retirement” is a human right, though I think we might be in a post-scarcity world (where anyone can “retire” if they wish) and we just aren’t acting like it.

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                  I would agree. But I don’t actually. If you vote against basic human rights, or are too lazy to vote for them, then get fucked honestly. That’s how I feel.

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        Yes that’s one of the actual pictures from the indictment they brought against him. He apparently had like 300 different documents of varying levels of classified status. There’s a couple more iirc of different places like a bedroom and a ballroom stage too. Basically it seems like he had his goons just hide anything he could get his hands on in random boxes of what were supposed to be just irrelevant personal effects

        He was only indicted specifically for like 30 of them but my understanding is they specifically chose ones they were willing to have potentially entirely exposed.

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          I‘m having a hard time grasping the whole thing. It’s actually insane that THIS happened. I feel like I am having a fever dream lol.

          Talk about boldness. This is just ridiculous haha. Man should be in El Salvador right now. Not the White House.

          Also, that bathroom looks fucking ugly. How can you have infinite money and then use it to make a room like this…

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              “half” is not really correct; I know that’s not the point though.

              The American people collectively had the power to prevent this, and collectively chose not to. Fortunately for me (an American), collective punishment is a war crime, for now.

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              Not really. A large portion didn’t even vote at all, which is even worse in my book.

              „Here is Kamala Harris. She’s not perfect, but she values democracy and loves her country.

              Here is Donald Trump. He is senile, deranged, corrupted and shares classified information with the USA‘s mortal enemy. Also he hates the poors and gays and wants to take their rights away.“

              „Idk. They are kinda the same. I opted not to vote.“ 🥴🫠

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                  Exactly. These non voters are complicit. But I’m just saying… how idiotic can a person be? Like seriously.

                  How can you not vote when you have options like Kamala vs Trump?

                  Fucking brainless idiots. And now they probably cry about their non existent healthcare to get taken away completely. And losing their jobs. And somehow it’s the Lib‘s fault.

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                I absolutely believe that the Both Sides Are The Same idea is really, really stupid. How dumb do you have to be to believe that HitlerPig was going to be better at anything than Harris, or any other Democrat for that matter. Or even any other human. He is literally the most prolific traitor in American history, a definitive pyschopath, and hopelessly ignorant in the most basic things.

                The problem was that when it came to the Gaza issue, they both WERE kind of the same. Whichever one you voted for might pay some lip service to the genocide, but they were both going to continue to send weapons, bombs, and money to Israel to continue it. Under HitlerPig, it won’t end until the Gaza Strip is cleared out, and Kushner is building luxury resorts, hotels, and condos.

                Under Harris, there would be a lot more scolding, but it wouldn’t have slowed the flow of weapons one bit. In the end, Gaza would still be emptied, and Kushner would still be creating the Jewish Dubai.

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            Money doesn’t buy taste, as you learn pretty quick after seeing enough rich people houses.

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              True. Money buys expensive shit, no matter how ugly.

              Maybe unpopular opinion, but just look at Porsche. These cars are ugly as hell. Yet they cost a fortune.

              Not saying all expensive stuff is ugly. But it’s one example. Give me a Maserati any day tho.

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                Buddy, like what you like but most Maseratis I see are pretty boring and some can even feel tacky. And why are so many of them matte black, the tackiest finish? Maseratis definitely sound incredible, though.

                Porsches like the 911 are also designed to be sports cars before anything else and even then I still like ‘em. Some came out a little strange for sure but for the most part they’re great.

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        Then we would have eyeliner wearing Venereal Disease Vance and he’s just as worse!! It’s an “evil vs evil” situation and the only people who lose are the American people who tried to change the narrative! I legit feel like I am walking in real time through some “Idiocracy” film set watching for Luke Wilson to pop out and say JK, but NOPE… here we are! :/

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          Trump is only successful because he holds a coalition of wacko together with his personality cult. Vance does not have that cult following. He would not be able to hold the coalition together. One of Trumps kids might be able to, but they’ve all been pushed aside by Musk. Musk can’t take the reigns because he is an immigrant. If Trump goes. the whole thing quickly falls apart.

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            Thank you for this comment! 100% agree! (He is a multi unsuccessful businessman). This is a straight up cult mentality and GOP voters won’t know until it affects them! (Which it is but wayyy too late). They already chose ‘Good vs Evil’ and sadly we all have to suffer! I honestly hope ever Drumpf supporter feels the wrathX100! I honestly will not even bat a damn eye at them! Savage!

            I had a Drumpf supporter living by my house (Drumpf signs, stickers, etc.), and just in the last month lost his job and put up his house for sale!!!😂 SORRY NOT SORRY! They CHOSE that and NO ONE is to blame but them for their votes! So, I honestly have 0% of sympathy for them! 🖕🏼

            But I love that comment because Venereal Disease Vance does not have the same following! Thank god!!!

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            Also even if Musk is able to find another puppet it’ll be notable smaller than Trump’s. Musk cultists generally align with STEM weirdos no offense to folks in STEM but I’m sure you folks are familiar with the types I’m talking about.

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              You mean the business majors who think they’re an engineer because they spent a year majoring in engineering? Jk yeah I know these morons, they’re all throughout stem and if they see any value in the humanities it’s them being really into philosophy but like in the same way some salespeople are really into tech, ie lacking comprehension or context.

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                Also why is it always some fucked up bastardization of Stoicism? Why can’t it be Cynicism or fucking Bellicose philosophy it’s always fucking bastardized Stoicism.

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                  Probably because they think of it as manly logical philosophy. I always liked stoicism because it helps with my panic attacks and it’s always weird hearing these guys talk about it. But also bad stoicism doesn’t challenge them, it doesn’t ask them to reconsider their actions, or to reevaluate anything. It merely says to be tough.

                  And in that vein it isn’t just bad stoicism. Some of them get into neitzche or get really into egoism and do that about as well as their goddess Ayn Rand.

                  They just want to hear that they’re smart and special and should be in charge.

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              I also think it was fake. I fucking hate the guy but he’s so full of bullshit that I literally don’t believe ANYTHING he claims.

              He could say he breathes air and I would have my doubts.

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                  Yeah. He probably did. Can you disprove my disbelief?

                  This fucking useless scumbag just wanted attention. That’s my opinion. Appreciate any counter-evidence.

                  Cause if it’s just u and me, without any actual evidence, anything could be true.