(Shamelessly stealing this image from some crackpot carnivore diet community elsewhere on the lemmyverse, with which I have never once interacted, but noticed I have been banned from. Lulz.)
I just use salt, maybe a little powered stock of whatever animal I’m cooking so if can taste even more like that animal.
Vegetarians and vegans just hate plants more than they love animals.
It’s the mineral eaters you really need to keep your eye on.
Clearly you are making this argument in seriousness and good faith, so excuse me while I spend a couple of nights and more paragraphs than anyone will read to fully articulate my carefully crafted rebuttal.
Yeah, they’re very salty.
As a kid I used to eat handfuls of salt, probably lucky I didn’t die of sodium poisoning.
The script can very easily be flipped, OP. “If you like plants so much why are you trying to make it imitate meat?”
Short answer: for the noobs. Most vegans grow to increasingly prefer more plant-forward meals. The humble bean is by far the most underappreciated ingredient out there.
This is the flip. Meat eaters say this to vegans all the time. That’s the whole joke.
Oh, I learned something new. I hadn’t heard that one yet.
thatsthejoke
It’s crazy how many people got hurt by a meme in shitpost community.
Good job OP!
*Takes a bow*
The right spices enhance the flavor of the meat without overpowering it
Same with vegitables and other foods. It’s what herbs and spices do when used properly.
Just want to comment here, because some people seem to be trying to spread a stinky narrative: yes virtually all plants contain “toxins”. No, that does not mean they are toxic or poisonous to us. Caffeine is literally a natural pesticide; and yet coffee and teas are well known to be beneficial to our health and longevity, for just one example.
Spices are an easy way to give any meal not only better flavor, but a small punch of phytonutrients that most people are sorely lacking.
Don’t let the crackpot carnivores spread their lies.
So one of my favorite seasonings to add to hamburger, along with other beef and some pork stuff is… Beef Bullion.
Now you may scoff at the idea of this redundancy, but give it a try next time you make hamburger or beef tacos or whatever. if not, you’re missing out.
Now you should buy stock and use it instead of water in most cooking.
Or better yet, save ya bones and end pieces of meat and veg, brown it and use it to make your own. You can do this just before you cook, or whenever and just freeze or can it. If you go with the store stuff, buy stock based off of which one has the highest protein content.
I do that myself on occasion, but I seldom boil much stuff. A lil beef or chicken stock is good in mashed potatoes or in rice, but most of the time , unless I’m making a soup I use powdered bullion. It tastes better. Not even just my opinion. Blind taste tests always have most people prefer the “fake” stuff.
Have you heard of Demi Glacé? Chef John has a good cheater recipe if you’re interested in home make and less beef pricey.
I have not, but I’m intrigued.
Chef John from foodwishes is awesome!
Meat is too delicious, I need to add a little plant based poison to it each time to avoid meat addiction.
Didn’t some meat-guy literally try to argue vegetables are toxic to humans or some shit
I mean if you stuff your mouth with 30 kgs of carrots you will die. Sounds toxic to me :D
What if you use them as a suppository? 🤔
Well many plants don’t want to be eaten or just by specific animals so they have stuff like gluten that is actually a feeding deterrent. Most allergies come from these feeding deterrents. So well yes most plants are toxic we have just learned to eat them - mostly.
Or capsaicin. I hate when plants produce that, LoL
Isn’t there at least one person for ANY kind of bullshit? Also, the father of medicine said once: “everything is lethal, the dosage is what matters” 😁
Yea but I’m talking about some carnivore diet influencer, might have been jordan peterson, who claimed humans can’t even digest vegetables or some shit
Oh I’ve heard that. Idiots starting with a grain of truth on characteristics of “insoluble fiber” and going off into la la land
…i would fear people who actually would believe such a thing. You don’t need a phd in medicine to know otherwise. Heck, you don’t even need any school-knowledge for that.
Everything is toxic to humans at high enough dose
I like plant too. Why discriminate 🤷♂️
Seriously. I will fuck up some turnip greens!
Hey, last I checked, you have omnivores, vegetarians, and vegans. Pretty much no one is purely carnivore. Besides, I’ve never heard of an omnivore complain about having to eat “plants” (spices), unless it’s a child who doesn’t like broccoli or something.
It didn’t occur to me until now that all spices are plant-derived (except salt, if you consider that to be a spice). I wonder if there are other planets out there where some spices are produced from animals.
Enjoy the delusion, hopefully the link works: https://hackertalks.com/post/31790787
There is actually a weird group of people doing a carnivore diet where you basically only eat animal products. Literally to the point of what the meme posted says of not eating like spices, or food cooked in olive oil. It’s wild lol.
I follow some of those people.
What I learned is you shouldn’t do it. Do you know what happens to your poop when you take out fiber from your diet? It just leaks out.
Others claim extreme constipation like 3 days. I don’t know if I believe that.
extreme constipation like 3 days
Fun fact: this is not extreme. Extreme is more than a week. 3 days is the minimal threshold for constipation.
Everyone keeps saying “fun fact” dealin with 💩 info. 😂
Thank you for the info.
I’m laughing harder than is the poop of a fiber detestent.
Fun fact, those two things go together. My oldest is autistic and needed several rounds of feeding therapy before he’d eat anything but Chicken Nuggets like 90% of the time.
if your constipation gets extreme enough your bowels start being unable to pull liquid out of what comes into them. So you go from being unable to poop at all to suddenly just having the still liquid stuff leaking out around the blockage being the only thing that can come out.
I’ll probably regret going there ….
But could this be a scenario where the cheapest chicken tenders are good? Is there any fiber to whatever they use for filler?
That’s really interesting. Thanks for the info.
Sir, this is a shitpost
Damn, touche.
Omnivore or not, it doesn’t hurt to question how desirable or perceptibly necessary meat really is or isn’t, when it’s not dressed up by so many other ingredients. People often assume that they could “never give up meat,” but in most cases when people do reduce or abstain from animal products, they find that animal flesh is actually the easiest thing to let go of. Dairy is usually the most challenging one.
how desirable or perceptibly necessary meat really
Oh boy.
Every damn study we have, plus at least 800.000 years of human evolution cooking over fire:
- we should eat everything in moderation, balanced diet is a varied diet.
That concludes any and all ted talks on should we eat animal products for health.
Now, the question then is: okay, then how much meat should I eat: about 300 gram* once or twice a week seems like the sweet spot. A little more if recovering from injuries. A little more if you’re growing up. A little more in old age if you notice you’re losing weight.
Source: idk, all the damn studies we make on large populations, e.g. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2803089/
(*) Varied meat. Includes offal. White and red.
Oh , I buy this, to some extent. As an omnivore…. I’ll never give up eating meat, but I do love some meals that are “accidentally” vegetarian.
Hot take on Indian food: one of the world’s greatest cuisines but when I visited, I found so many restaurants deprioritized even chicken so much that it was just not worth it. Enjoy the meals, enjoy what they do well without trying to push different preferences
The only plant I put on a steak is a little black pepper. I put more rocks (salt) on it than plants.
Beef steak’s proper function is as a delivery system for chimmichurri, since it’s gauche to just drink it straight.
Garlic, soy sauce, salt. Usually on a london broil, but that steak is SO good.
I marinate cheap flat iron cuts in a mix of ginger, garlic, soy sauce, vinegar, olive oil, and a tiny bit of toasted sesame oil. Better than anything I’ve gotten for a premium at a restaurant.
Theres another recipe i have for hunan beef. Involves vinegar, soy sauce, oyster sauce, taco sauce, honey, beef stock and corn starch for the sauce. It tastes amazing.
Pain to make though
I would even suggest an actual pepper steak. If not, a bit of horseradish is sometimes nice too.
I don’t. Embraced english food thought, even if not what they call food over there. Some rocks on my sliced and fried potatos and a bit of the same rocks on my red meat.
One does not eat chicken unseasoned tho. Tastes like cardboard.
It’s the rocks that make them crunchy.
Season your chicken with bacon grease.
I’ve cut back on meat over the past couple of years, but I reserve the right to have a plate of chicken tenders when coping with emotional distress.
I never liked chicken nuggets until going vegan, lol. The plant-based ones are amazing.
“Vegetarian + tendies” is completely valid.
In medical literature and studies, vegans are often described as someone who eats meat no more than once a month. :)
Sure, but that’s wrong and used for convenience because the terminology got muddled early on. That was the original definition (i.e., no eating animal products), but the Vegan Society who created the term changed it not long after (in the 1940s?) to include avoiding exploitation generally “as far as is possible and practicable”. That’s because veganism is an ethical movement that sees this exploitation as fundamentally wrong. There’s still a note about this original definition at the end, of course, because a dietary term is largely how it exists in the minds of non-vegans.
What you’re referring to is a plant-based diet(er) (or “strict plant-based diet” if you want to be really clear and beat marketing buzz). Calling a vegan “someone who eats meat no more often than a month” in the sense of how vegans use the term would be like defining someone who’s anti-dog-abuse as someone who kicks their dog at most once a month.
(Edit: Notably, “vegan diet” is used among vegans, but because it’s a diet that comes as a consequence of being vegan, not because following it makes you vegan.)
TL;DR: That’s a definition used mainly among non-vegans.
Valid, I also treat myself to a steak for my birthday
The only meat I like to eat pure is the flesh of my enemies.
I have no need to savor the taste of my superiority over a cow or turkey.
