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Figures are source of dispute as US defense department days ago reduced record of troops killed and wounded
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And how many schoolgirls has Iran killed? None? Interesting, because we killed 175.
How many American passenger planes has Iran “accidentally” shot down over the last 47 years? None? Interesting, because we shot down an Iranian passenger jet in 1988, killing everyone on board, all civilians. Would we have believed Iran if they’d claimed it was an accident?
How many strictly civilian American targets has Iran hit over the last 47 years? None? Interesting, because we’ve killed thousands of Iranian citizens in their own country.
All of Iran’s strikes over the past 47 against America have been military targets, which is not terrorism, it’s simply war. Calling it terrorism is lame propaganda. OTOH, America routinely bombs Iranian (and Muslim) targets without regard to civilian presence. Iran has never committed a terrorist act in America.
So tell me again how Iran is the “largest state sponsor of terror in the world.” It might be the “largest state sponsor of terror against Israel,” but clearly America is “The World’s largest state sponsor of Terror.”
We’re Number One!
I get the sentiment, but Iran did shoot down a passenger plane in 2020. Most of the passengers were Iranian, and 176 people were killed.
The background is that after the assassination of Qasem Soleimani in 2020 Iran responded by striking a NATO base with missiles. The whole thing was telegraphed to the NATO troops so nobody got seriously hurt (lots of concussions though). It was the first time that Iran’s missile capabilities was displayed like that, and it shocked a lot of people back then. Iranian media said it was a “proportional response”, but of course it really was very careful and underwhelming considering what had just happened.
It’s difficult to imagine now, but back then this was a major escalation and everyone was super tense. Iran did not know how NATO would respond. Apparently an air defense soldier was so nervous that in the coming hours, he misread the radar, and fired two air defense missiles at the passenger aircraft.
Obviously the plane going down took all of the power out of the messaging that Iran was a force to be reckoned with, owing to it’s missiles that had just hit the NATO base, which itself was a highly successful operation. So it really had a massively negative impact on the narrative for Iran.
Most US propoganda just goes away when you look at a map.
Iran is run by the bad guys, and I’m not talking about iranians.
This was reported in major news a few years ago.
It is entirely infiltrated by a certain countries intelligence apparatus. No not the cia(but kinda).
“Quiet” database update. Everyone paints their words with feelings or slant. Just the facts, please. This is getting tiring already.
To put that into perspective, it took the US nearly FOUR YEARS to rack up that many casualties in Afghanistan. The people running the military are incompetent as fuck.
fighting militia who can barely fight back vs someone with actual resources you cannot just blow up with air superiority
The people running the military are incompetent as fuck.
The only good thing about this.
Was going to say…
The only thing worse than Americans picking a fight with Iran and losing is them winning.
Imagine another Libya or Syria or Gaza in a country as big as Iran.
Except for else everyone involved. A competent command wouldn’t have started this war.
A commander doesn’t have much choice either way since it’s the political leadership (aka Trump) that starts wars. A competent president would probably not have started this war, but they’d have likely started other wars and ran them competently.
A commander doesn’t have much choice either way
A number of high ranking officers have already resigned
A competent president would probably not have started this war, but they’d have likely started other wars and ran them competently.
Every war is a policy failure
My comment was in response to the “people running the military”.
Which would include the defense secretary, who could have talked Trump out of this war, or found ways to satiate the dementia riddled moron that didn’t involve killing schoolgirls and closing off oil world wide oil deliveries and crashing its economy.
Hegseth: what were their testosterone levels?
Vaccine Status?
Hegseth has been dispatched to your location to test the rigidity of your penis.
He has his kit for testicle phrenology.
A scrotum speculum, if you will.
But how is the DOW?
Wow I wish there was a system in which we could have a say as to which nations we wage war against and for what reasons. It doesn’t seem like a good idea for one person to be able to wield the most powerful military ever created.
Ah well, back to this bowl of Captain Crunch and Family Guy reruns.
There is supposed to be. AUMF (authorization for use of military force) broke it by delegating to the President the authority to unilaterally engage in military action without Congressional approval.
AUMF should be repealed.
Ya’ll voted for the man to make these decisions for you. People have forgotten that they need to consider the possibility that the person they vote to be president will make these decisions. They thought Trump would be the best choice. They were wrong.
Ya’ll voted for the man to make these decisions for you.
We really didn’t.
Whomever you say you voted for, the real “vote” was via the Electoral College which is winner-take-all. Nobody living today has every voted on the existence of the EC. Nobody living today voted on our form of government, either. We didn’t choose an imperial model of presidency. We didn’t get a vote in any of the conflicts these Presidents have authorized. There’s no recall process for a President either. No functional means of impeachment or material Congressional check on the President’s authority. No will to impose it, even if it did exist.
We’re given a flavor choice - President Coke or President Pepsi - and we can argue over which one goes down better. But we’re all forced to drink this swill one war or another.
The fact that my personal choice for elected office virtually never wins barely matters, given how the system already operates.
HRC won the popular vote in 2016, as awful as she is. Electrical college, delegates and superdelegates noped. But all this is a farce, because they all work for capital, not any other constituents, and the sooner everyone who think they live in a democracy, despite the evidence screaming the truth, the sooner we can work toward governments that do work for everyone but capital.
In the end, voting down binding resolutions ordering the executive branch to cease operations is “voting”. It’s just a loophole that allows the executive branch to wage de-facto wars continuously now.
I sure as hell didn’t vote for him, and even if I did he’s not supposed to be able to declare war.
The post was a joke about congress.
And just as important: if you had the chance but didn’t vote at all you also helped make that happen. If you didn’t vote against Trump you accepted that he’d be president. It’s always better to vote against the bigger evil instead of not at all. You don’t get “none of the obove” if you don’t vote.
f you had the chance but didn’t vote at all
Especially if you didn’t vote in a Blue State. Every non-voting blue state resident cost Hillary/Harris a moral victory.
Also, if you voted in a red state. Because Trump still got the same number of EC votes. So it’s your fault he won, because you didn’t vote hard enough.
Also, if you voted any kind of Third Party. Fuck you. A third party vote is a vote for Russia.
Also, if you voted but you didn’t donate. Also if you donated, but didn’t canvas. Also, if you voted, donated, and canvased, but didn’t do Thoughts And Prayers.
It’s all your fault. Trump is your fault. You have SINNED! Trump is your divine punishment! Repent! REPENT! REPENT!!!
Speak the truth. Get the hate.
Because Iran is not bombing girls schools but military bases.
Yeah, Iran’s unmatched in respect for human rights and the laws of war.
Civilians in Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) countries are at grave risk from ongoing Iranian strikes in response to US and Israeli military attacks on Iran, Human Rights Watch said today. Many of the Iranian attacks have struck civilian residential buildings, hotels, civilian airports, and embassies, and have unlawfully targeted civilian objects such as financial centers.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2026/03/17/iran-unlawful-strikes-across-gulf-endanger-civilians
“If our security is not ensured, no infrastructure will be safe.” - Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, July 22
Its an important clarification.
Its easy to get carried away with my hatred of Trump, and think fondly of Iran in an enemy-of-my-enemy kind of way. I have to remind myself that Irans ruling class is also detestable.
The US being a villain doesn’t make Iran a hero. It’s an all-you-can-eat buffet of villainy.
The thing is though, this is all an optional illegal war to distract from the Epstein files so the US’s child raping ruling class can continue to evade justice.
The U.S. is absolutely more evil here. It’s not even close.
I guess I forgot to consult my abacus.
This isn’t a game. We don’t have to pick a side. The Iranian government is an oppressive regime that murders homosexuals, imprisons journalists, and represses women. Their citizens live under absolute censorship and face brutal, violent repression for dissent. We’re meant to cheer for that now… because Epstein? Cover up their crimes? Pretend they’re fighting for justice?
Whether it’s an immoral war of choice or people escaped justice for crimes associated with Epstein, why would we let it turn us into shittier people? Iran are not good guys.
The oppressive “regime” is irrelevant here. They are only being attacked because the real hostile state in the region: Israel wants us to because their blackmail operation got caught and they want to expand their borders.
The U.S. and Israeli regimes are 100% in the wrong here, and Irans government is irrelevant to those facts. They’re not helping the people of Iran, they’re doing imperialism.
Counterpoint: the oppressive regime is never irrelevant.
The Iranian government cannot be irrelevant because the person I replied to initially was writing fiction about their behaviour. It’s why we’re having a conversation at all.
Last I checked, no one here is arguing that the US or Israel are helping the Iranian people. But as I said before, the US (or Israel) being bad doesn’t make Iran good.
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Do you think bombing Iran helps Iran’s progressives? It’s impossible to change Iran as long as the US is waiting to exploit the tiniest sign of weakness.
The point being made is that it’s not a zero sum equation, though. That’s not a defense of the US. It’s pointing out a flaw in the logical and moral argument that’s being made.
Personally, I’m on the side of Iranian civilians, but I have very, very little sympathy for the Iranian regime.
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I don’t think that’s true at all.
I mean the US has kinda rapidly descended towards being evil. Iran has been evil consistently since the revolution in '79.
The revolution that was a response to the USA staging a coup two decades earlier to install their oil-company-friendly dictator over their democratically elected leader that thought the oil profits should benefit the people instead of international oil companies?
America ALWAYS been evil. It’s delusional to think it was “just recent!”
It’s delusional to think that Iran is less evil than the US.
I think the US government maybe has less “concentration of evil” but since its it got so many hands in so many pies the mass market scale of evil going on here is pretty brutal.
Plus like Gaza makes the Saudi government look good by comparison. The Saudi government who regularly murders critics and has a bunch of insane laws to control people.
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Considering who overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran, replacing him with the Shah, which was then overthrown by a popular Islamic revolution that put this bunch in power, the US not being the villain might very well have made Iran a hero.
This without even considering that the posture of the various governments of the region, including Iran, is probably heavily shaped by over half a century of aggression by America and America-supported Israel in the region: who knows how things would be in Iran nowadays (considering that Persia and it’s descendant, Iran, were pretty modern nations for that region) without the interference of America and the indirect pressure its violence all over that region put on even nations not directly bombed or invaded by it.
Conversely, it’s a lot harder to make the case that American posture and actions are the result of purely Iranian choices which were not the direct or indirect result of the choices of others.
It does actually. Similar to how the Allies and Soviets are the heroes of WW2 despite having their own share of problems.
Most Iranian problems originate from US sanctions and Western meddling to begin with.
It’s basically bad people doing bad things to other bad people. Which, if it were in a vacuum, I’d respond to with “have at it”. But the shitty part is that innocent bystanders are of course getting trapped in the middle and hit with indiscriminate splash damage.
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I would say WW2 was fascists trying to empire build and ethnically cleanse as much of the world (though primarily, Europe and east Asia) as they could get their hands on, vs colonial powers who were (for the most part) on the decline, but didn’t like the idea of being subjected to an outright authoritarian fascist regime.
The Allied powers had plenty of issues between them, and those issues should not be excused, but I would absolutely call them the unambiguous “good guys” in that scenario. And the response of the civilian populace pretty much everywhere outside of German and Japan to being liberated from German or Japanese rule kind of reflects that pretty clearly. Not to mention, the Italian populace was predominantly quite happy when the allies swept in and crushed the fascists, as evidenced by how Mussolini and his wife were very literally publicly lynched by enraged mobs.
To put a finer point on it: if you’re trying to draw some false equivalence between Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, and any/all of the allied nations, you should get the fuck out.
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All the targets you named are retaliations for similar targets bombed by those countries. High value economic infrastructure. The US and its proxies bomb a desalination plant in Iran and Iran bombs one on Kuwait. This is simple deterrence.
As for those “hotels and residential buildings” the US has admitted to shelter their personell inside of civilian infrastructure. Which is a war crime by the way. You do not get to pin that one on Iran but on the US.
Iran does not bomb random girl schools or commit blatant terror attacks against civilian targets without value in any way like the US and Israel have done.
Ah yes, the classic defense of squabbling children in the back seat. “They did it first!” Being the second to massacre a family of four isn’t appreciably more awesome than being the first. And it sure wouldn’t make a difference to either family.
First you’re writing Iranian fanfic about how noble Iran never targets civilians. Now you’re saying, ‘Sure, they kill civilians but when they do it it’s the good kind of civilian slaughter!’ You’re twisting yourself into some wild shapes to carry water for a tyrannical dictatorship.
And talking about the deaths of “random school girls” seems like little more than a propaganda point for you when you’ve discredited yourself about caring about civilian casualties at all. So long as they were killed by the right people, it seems like you wouldn’t think there was anything inherently wrong with it.
This isn’t hard though: when the US targets civilians, it’s a war crime; when Iran targets civilians, it’s a war crime. I couldn’t give a single fuck who did it first.
You are intentionally misrepresenting Iranian actions and desperately trying to conflate them with the evils of the USA.
The only tyrannical dictatorship being supported is by you.
I mean its definitely leaping over the low bar set by the US as they seem to be intent on only doing it in reprisal but yeah for much of the rest of the world this is probably somewhat of a “let them fight” moment.
The Iranian dictatorship is brutal, lots of people were killed in the recent protests (2k+). The US government saw this and bombed a children’s school. What’s that Napoleon quote? “Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake”
Thats kinda what the US did here.
I’ve checked the article, and the source data (https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/conflictCasualties/oefu/deaths), the article headline is just wrong and since this post is using the article headline, it’s wrong too. There have been 14 deaths and 417 wounded. No where does it say 600… Not sure where that number is coming from. Just FYI
Not weighing into specific numbers but causality includes wounded and deaths
https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/conflictCasualties/oo/byCategory
This is Overseas Operations, the new category they added as the first paragraph in the article says.
Yes, you are a more credible source than the Guardian, and their army of lawyers vetting every headline for potential legal exposure.
It’s almost like war is going on or something…
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Casualties does not equal deaths. Casualties also including injuries that make someone no longer combat effective. So pretty much anyone that is injured and needs medical attention.
Lucky. My dadabase never stops with the Your Mom jokes while updating.
