Israeli foreign ministry posts video of Thunberg’s arrest; vessels carrying about 500 activists intercepted about 75 miles off coast of war-torn territory
- genocidal mad state violates international law once again, propaganda machine in full swing.
a while ago israel said greta is KHAMAS ! so its ok
100% predictable outcome has occurred. It is now time for your regularly scheduled outrage.
Not arrested. Kidnapped and taken hostage.
Maybe the Italians should strike again until their navy actually protects the flotilla
Fuck Israel. Fuck the whole evil country. Religion is fucking stupid anyway, so a theocratic country is extra stupid.
All these powerful men with guns scared of a 22 year old girl in a sailboat.
its kidnapping …
Kidnapping or abduction is the unlawful abduction and confinement of a person against their will, and is a crime in many jurisdictions
I didn’t know that Israel is just casually pirating away in international waters. Weird how that’s not ok when somalians do it.
Israel is terrorist country. Must be banned from every international organization.
No, Greta was kidnapped
So much for all those ships sent to protect it. So much performative theater.
high seas piracy, and NATO cannot keep the Mediterranean safe.
So glad those Italian and Spanish ships did…
Absolutely fuck all. Spineless.
They said from the beginning that they were only there to rescue anyone should they end up in the ocean. Not to protect the aid boats.
The fact that they openly said that tells you all you need to know about thier governments.
bruh, just how much kiddie porn blackmail does israel have on the west…goddamn.
It’s stronger… it’s money.
For once, it doesn’t have to be blackmail. The Zionists have Uncle Sam. Relations between the EU and the US are already not the strongest they’ve been. Risking the ire of a large power like that is not exactly smart diplomacy.
Would it have been the right thing to do? Absolutely.
Even on that insane wild-eyed little Italian blondie PM?
It was all for show to appease protestors.
So glad those Italian and Spanish ships did…
Being there likely saved Gretta from getting merc’d by an IDF sniper.
They’re not doing enough, but they’re also not doing nothing.
they did absolutely nothing, stopped following then when they reach the orange line, which is not gazan or Israeli territorial waters, but the heart of the Mediterranean where Israel likes to attack civilians.
They literally turned around before they reached the Israeli boats. So no, that didn’t happen
No, because they left when the flotilla entered the danger zone
oh when did she get arrested? I saw her get illegally kidnapped
Illegally kidnapped? As opposed to, what? Legal kidnapping?
Have you seen what’s going on in the US? Legal kidnapping is definitely a thing.
Yup. But it’s only been a few months since Trump started ruling like Kim Jung Un. I’m not ready to accept this as a new normal. How are we tolerating this?!
I suppose we’re tolerating it one person at a time by simply being in shock and not doing anything at all. Just like I’m doing right now. Laying in bed shitposting all over the internet & making no effort to affect any changes.
This is how Hitler became a genocidal maniac in plain sight while everyone watched, brainwashed, speechless 😵💫
What’s the difference?
Legality. Israel can’t arrest someone in international waters. They can kidnap someone in international waters. But an arrest implies they have any legality to it. They do not. They’re the ones committing a crime not her.
It’s like saying the bank robber arrested their hostages.
Arrest in international waters is actually legal during a naval blockade. If a ship has announced its intention to break a the naval blockade, continues to head for it, and doesn’t react to hails, then it’s legal. Look up maritime law on blockades.
Same as you can arrest a criminal just before committing a crime.
Wrong. Israels actions of blockade and starvation are illegal. Full stop. The law you’re referring to does not apply to a nation in violation of these laws. Israel doesn’t get to point to a law to protect them as they violate other international laws and genocide a population. You’re just wrong. That’s not how laws work. You can’t just read one law and then say “welp, guess they can do this”. They can’t when the very blockade itself is illegal. The blockade itself has to be a legal blockade that does not starve a population of aid and committing acts of genocide.
You’re just so embarrassingly wrong.
Legality is a fiction created by the powerful. I’m saying the word arrest is a synonym for kidnapping. It’s only existence is to mislead people into accepting the violence of our rules against ordinary people.
This is a perfect example. The kidnapping of Greta is blatantly illegal. Yet the world will pretend otherwise. And not because of the law but because of power.
The use of specific vocabulary is important in how media normalizes the actions of “the powerful”.
What you’re saying is similar to how “died” could be a synonym for “killed”. This was used constantly during the genocide. Israelis were “killed” or “slaughtered” on October 7th. Soldiers in tanks were “kidnapped” that day. But every day in Gaza children just “died”. Like the news articles were describing some natural disaster event and not a genocide. The people spending decades in Israeli prisons camps with no trial were “prisoners” exchanged for “hostages”.
Words matter. Especially when media is forming a narrative. Yes, legality is “fiction” but that doesn’t mean the majority of the Western world doesn’t believe that fiction. The entire idea of a justice system is “made up” it’s power comes from the collective belief in that system and the use of “justified” violence it maintains a monopoly on. You may not believe it. But most people in the west still do.
It is important to call out the inconsistent and unfair use of the vocabulary the media uses to describe Israels actions. If we stop labeling their crimes because “it doesn’t matter anymore, clearly no justice exists” but at the same time that language is still used to describe anyone’s resistance to Israel then they have won the narrative.
I’m not saying don’t call it out. I wish more people would. But I’d like to go further to eliminate this type of propaganda as even an option whenever possible. Some words are too linguistically useful to eliminate but some things like kidnapped vs arrested are literally the same action just different context. There’s no need to ever use the word arrest and its elimination or undermining would weaken abusive authorities and their ability to spin the narrative in ways people don’t question.
Yeah. We just fundamentally disagree then. These words are not interchangeable. I would not say a pedophile was “kidnapped” by the state. The context matters. There is a difference between materialism and dialectical-materialism. You seem to be removing the tool of dialectics and saying only the material action is what matters. The way words are used to shape material actions (or lack thereof) and concent matters.
I mean you can think it’s good for people to be abducted under some circumstances. Maybe you are right, maybe not, but at least then you’d have to justify it. “Arrested” already means justified in most people’s minds. It’s a thought-terminating cliche, and as long as we make that distinction, it will be abused as in this case.
Using less savory words like kidnapping or abduction more accurately relays the severity and violence that’s happening. And yes, violence is sometimes necessary, but it’s still unsavory.
It’s still important to not conflate the two.
While most legal systems are far from ideal, a lot of people appreciate having some semblance of law and order.
An arrest is made when someone is believed to have committed a crime. A kidnapping is the unlawful capturing of an individual.
Enforcers of the legal system (police, ICE, and other 3 letter agencies) carry out both legal arrests and unlawful kidnappings, the latter of which is what’s being discussed here.
The fact that “the world will pretend otherwise” is exactly why it is so important to emphasise the difference between the 2 words.
Nah it’s why we need to challenge this idea that violence done by the state is automatically legitimate. Such as by critiquing the words we’ve created to separate things that clearly aren’t very different in reality.
we need to challenge this idea that violence done by the state is automatically legitimate
That is exactly what the top-level comment was doing.
I never said they did anything wrong, I’m just staking out an additional position.
Legal systems are a necessity as long as there are people willing to do violence to others. Ideally, they’ll constrain the use of violence on behalf of the collective to cases where it’s the only way to stop violence being perpetrated by individuals: To arrest them.
Practically, any human creation will have flaws, and nearly all systems will be biased in favour of the powerful. That doesn’t categorically make it useless for the people.
