American Revolution. French Revolution. Iranian Revolution.
Just a few very violent, and successful, revolutions.
If we allow them to make us violent, they will crush us with police/military force. It’s already happening. Do NOT get baited into killing your own insurgency.
The guy who shot Hortman had “no kings” posters in his car. He was trying to incite violence so the police would have an excuse to shoot protestors. Don’t let these people bait you.
Have you seen the videos of the No Kings demonstrations around the country? They were enormous! Not only were they far larger than I expected, they were MANY times larger than I expected.
The MAGA Nazis can try to suppress those crowds, but no matter what the outcome, they will lose. This isn’t pre-Internet Tiananmen Square, where the government can simply deny it happened. The entire planet will know.
If they fire on American protesters, no matter the justification, the MAGA Nazis government will make enemies of every Democratic nation in the world.
General strikes accomplish a fuck of a lot more in a shorter amount of time. When the owners of the administration can’t get their poptarts to the stores to be sold, the bank calls their loans and shit gets real.
Right after Covid ended, the nurses in the NYC hospitals decided that after being so heroic for over a year, they deserved raises, and some other benefits. The hospitals flat-out refused anything.
The nurses went on strike. Within 72 hours, every single one of their demands was met, including a fat raise.
Unions and strikes work.
Yeah, too many people keep acting like “hold up a sign” and “start shooting” are the only two political actions possible. There is a vast array of disruptions and threats to the status quo that do not require violence.
Phony liberal bullshit for controlling the masses.
my fucking ass 👅🥾
Bolsheviks, Stonewall riots, suffragettes, all famously peaceful movements that got their rights by staying on their knees and asking nicely.
Those are successful, yes. But then you have Arbenz’s Guatamala and the FARC in Columbia and the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka and democratic revolts in Hong Kong and Kashmir and the French Revolution and the Polish Resistance and the failures of socialist revolts across Africa and the Middle East.
I think part of the problem is how we define “successful”. Because it’s easy to see how the Spanish Anarchists failed to defeat Franco. Meanwhile, we largely consider the Civil Rights Era in the United States a success, despite many of its leaders being assassinated and its efforts quashed and undo under the Nixon/Reagan Era.
Militant insurgencies end when they are crushed by police/military. Peaceful protests don’t “fail” nearly so dramatically, they just fade away.
Y’all are out in full force today, huh
well where the hell could I go
Outside and touch grass? Where I am it’s beautiful and sunny out. Go for a run.
Outside and touch grass?
Wait till this guy finds out about cell phones
How does the boot taste?
I just came indoors
To be fair it would be illegal to do so outdoors.
Who wrote this article? Fairy tale bullshit??
BBC tier neoliberalism.
“Real victory is when you stop trying to resist” might as well be the Keir Starmer campaign slogan
Let me know what all the peaceful protests on climate change did leading up to and since the Paris Agreement.
Civil disobedience, including violent action, absolutely has a place in changing the policy of the state.
Sure, a poor uneducated place.
Anyone who makes peaceful revolution impossible makes violent revolution inevitable.
List all the regimes that weren’t brought down by peaceful protests and singing kumbaya. No worries we will wait.
Czechoslovakia’s Velvet Revolution was one instance, assuming you squint and ignore all the NATO soft power involved.
The 2018 and 2024 Armenian Revolutions also technically qualify. Although, the fact that they had two in six years raises questions of their effectiveness.
Um, you sure you don’t mean all the regimes that “were” brought down by peaceful protests and singing kumbaya? Either way I really don’t have the desire or time to look any of that up for you.
Ah, so you agree there IS a place though.
This is complete utter propaganda, especially considering it’s coming from the BBC. History has shown us time and time again that the ruling class never gives up its power peacefully.
There’s a book on the subject written by Srdja Popovic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueprint_for_Revolution
Summary: protests that start (and try to remain) non-violent have a greater chance to succeed, because they can attract more people to their cause.
Critique: with some regimes, it’s not possible to non-violently protest. For non-violent protest to work, the environment must respect a minimum amount of human rights.
Case samples:
- US during the civil rights movement era: yes
- USSR under Gorbachev: yes
- Serbia under Milosevic: yes, with difficulty on every step (Popovic was there doing it)
- Israel under Netanyahu: probably yes
- China under Xi: practically no (not for long)
- USSR under Kruschev/Brezhnev/Andropov/Chernenko: not really
- Russia under Putin: no, don’t even hold a blank sheet of paper
- Iran under Khamenei: only if you’re doing a bread riot
- Saudi Arabia, USSR under Stalin, NK under the Kim dynasty: no, and execution would be a possible outcome
…etc. In some places, you can’t organize. Then your only option is to fight. As long as you can publicly organize, definitely do so - it’s vastly preferable. :)
Your point is so important that I don’t think it can be stressed enough.
Nonviolent protests are more popular in public opinion. Public opinion gets you more people on your side. More people on your side is more power, and when the regime starts cracking down on peaceful protests, it will be easier to get more people to fight than it would be of we advocate for violence from the start.
Israel under Netanyahu: probably yes
When Palestinians protest peacefully they get shot at.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests
When foreigners peacefully protest in solidarity they get shot or run over.
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/30/1241231447/rachel-corrie-gaza-palestinians-aid-israel-hamas-war
US during the civil rights movement era: yes
I gotta ask, how the hell was the US in the 1960s a safe place to nonviolently protest? Police violence aimed at colored protesters during that era was notorious. Plus the church bombings, the lynchings, the assassinations…
US during the civil rights movement era: yes
USSR under Gorbachev: yes
Serbia under Milosevic: yes, with difficulty on every step (Popovic was there doing it)
Imaginary history.
Israel under Netanyahu: probably yes
They murdered hundreds of palestinians during peaceful protests. GTFO with this BS.
USSR under Kruschev/Brezhnev/Andropov/Chernenko: not really
Russia under Putin: no, don’t even hold a blank sheet of paper
Iran under Khamenei: only if you’re doing a bread riot
Saudi Arabia, USSR under Stalin, NK under the Kim dynasty: no, and execution would be a possible outcome
How many times can you list russia/ussr? Give me a break with this lib imperialism.
Srdja Popovic
LOL
https://inthesetimes.com/article/wikileaks-docs-expose-famed-serbian-activists-ties-to-shadow-ciaTelling you have the name perestroika, by the hated traitor Gorbachev putting them in misery while corrupt oligarchs from the west leeched on Russia.
Not sure you should include Gorbachev since he illegally dissolved the USSR against the will of the people.
dissolved the USSR against the will of the
peopleRussians- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Armenian_independence_referendum
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Azerbaijani_independence_referendum
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Estonian_independence_referendum
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Georgian_independence_referendum
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Latvian_independence_and_democracy_referendum
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Lithuanian_independence_referendum
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Turkmen_independence_referendum
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Ukrainian_independence_referendum
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_the_Byelorussian_Soviet_Socialist_Republic
Seems to be just about everybody wanted to leave the USSR.
Yes, the USSR, famous for respecting the will of the people …
The end of East Germany was crazy precisely because it was so peaceful. A number of popular outcries in the late 80s instigated civil reforms. And then one of the defense ministers was asked on national TV in '89 “hey, does this mean we don’t need the Berlin Wall anymore”. He shrugged and confessed it was no longer needed. And the military took that as a signal to step aside and let the wall get torn down.
In less than six months, the country was holding free elections. And by the following year, they’d reunified.
No shots fired. A purely popular and peaceful revolution that happened practically overnight, by historical standards.
Excuse me, I have a question. Who was the leader of the USSR when this happened?
Gorbachev.
However, its the GDR Communist Chairman Erich Honecker that ultimately changed policy that resulted in reunification.
Gorbachev
Ah Schrödinger’s Gorbachev, both a great respector of the will of the people, as well a traitor who went against the will of the people.
However, its the GDR Communist Chairman Erich Honecker that ultimately changed policy that resulted in reunification.
Then why did you comment on a post that was about the USSR?
Ah Schrödinger’s Gorbachev, both a great respector of the will of the people, as well a traitor who went against the will of the people.
What? Do you believe everyone in a country has identical political views?
That’s a very naive understanding of popular politics.
Then why did you comment on a post that was about the USSR?
The GDR was a member of the USSR.
LOL complete BS
Tankies are going to hate this comment.
It’s crazy to talk about the US Civil Rights movement as peaceful, given the police / domestic terrorist bloodbath it resulted in.
How many civil rights leaders need to be shot to death before a movement isn’t peaceful anymore?
Bcs it’s garbage
^^
You do realize that he wasn’t run over unlike the Palestinians who do get run over by Israeli tanks.
Not just Palestinians, Rachel Corrie got run over by an Israeli bulldozer and she was a peaceful protestor from the US.
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/30/1241231447/rachel-corrie-gaza-palestinians-aid-israel-hamas-war
https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs
The group of protesters remained steadfast, even in the face of annihilation. Shots rang out, innocents were struck, and people began to die. Nonetheless — there was power in numbers, and solidarity that allowed them to find courage — and thousands joined hands as bullets flew. “Students linked arms but were mown down,” wrote Donald. “APCs then ran over the bodies time and time again to make, quote ‘pie’ unquote, and remains collected by bulldozer.”
As if this wasn’t atrocious enough, the government’s criminal and brutal activity that day got even worse. With no regard for the families of these victims, not to mention their identities, what was left of them was disposed of — in an unspeakably callous manner.
“Remains incinerated and then hosed down drains,” Donald wrote.
Sounds like pure 100% propaganda. No surprise from angry loser account.
For hell’s sake have you ever seen the entire video from which the picture was extracted? The guy literally stopped the tanks, had a chat with them, and walked away unharmed.
For hell’s sake have you ever seen the entire video from which the picture was extracted?
Of course not. Nobody actually watches the video. They just see Lego memes of the picture and conclude “Communism Killed 100 Zillion People”
And like clockwork, here they come crawling out of the woodworks …
Imagine this overt troll complaining about people crawling out of the woodwork.
Yet here you are 😘
“Oh no, the evil tankies are here to give facts against my CIA-manufactured sinophobic propaganda :(”
Please, answer: have you ever watched the entire thing?
Have you ever watched this, tankboy?
https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs
I especially liked the bit about using tanks to make human pie, and then flushing the pie down the drains.
thanks CIA, your cringe BS is still cringe.
Guess that’s all you have, certainly not argumentsSo let me get this clear: your position is that I am CIA and that the Tiananmen square massacre did not happen?
Is that correct, or am I missing something? Feel free to use “arguments” to explain yourself.
I honestly cant recall seeing any peaceful protest accomplishing anything of significance in my lifetime. Most successful protests I hear about are the French lighting up Paris when they try to raise the retirement age. They just try again 2 years later though.
Keep Goodhart’s law in mind:
“When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure”
Thanks Bernie the sheepdog.
Make sure the sheep don’t make waves.
And don’t forget to say pissrahell has aright to defend itselfWell that’s total bs, in Greece there’s been dozens of non-violent protests far exceeding 3.5% that have failed spectacularly.
Clue: peaceful protests in the entire western world achieved nothing for the past half a century. You had the massive Greece protests, the Gilets Jeunes in France, the 15-M in Spain, the Occupy Movement in the US, the BLM protests in the US too, the anti Iraq war protests all over Europe… None of them achieved anything meaningful. The EU and US are NOT democratic.
Didn’t BLM 2020 protests have over 3.5%? I don’t think they accomplished much except put pressure to prosecute Chauvin. Like literally just that one guy.
I wanted to make an ironic, exaggerated comment here, but irony doesn’t really work when it is 100% in line with what these people would actually say.
Change is so slow because this country has managed to form and propogate such a thoroughly oppressive system, that to call it out is to only reinforce what the people have been taught since day one.
These “freedom people” want their privilege so bad that they are willing to keep a monarch/oligarch in office who will perpetuate an oppressive system under the guise of ignorance.
While this is obviously not true. It is hilarious seeing that some comments call bullshit on this while thinking that violent protests have any better chance to succeed.
I believe that a non-insignificant number of them are pushing an agenda.
Liberal three-percenter lore?
I mean, I do think non-violent disobedience can be effective, but the state usually makes it violent. State sanctioned protests where most obey most of the rules isn’t disobedience. Is a good start though, and I hope things progress (in a good way).
