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    New proof that I am indeed a woman just dropped 💅🏻

    Take that transphobes !

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        They used to call him the Owl in highschool, not because of his rotating head but because of the inappropriate hooting noises he made whenever his future wife walked into the room.

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      Wouldn’t work, men don’t just star blankly ahead, we scan the periphery without moving our eyes. We don’t need to scan all around because our periphery is really good at spotting movement, this is why we can’t see that thing in the fridge despite being right in front of us, it’s not moving.

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        You joke, but when I worked in a grocery store people would ask for help finding something and nine times out of ten it was literally right in front of their face.

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      Doesn’t the Jurassic Park power-restore scene align with this, too? Muldoon gets wrecked by a raptor on his side, while Ellie immediately notices/dodges the one that pokes through the wiring.

  • I’m male but when I was a kid, my mom talked about stranger danger a lot and warned me about the supposed widespread kidnappings (was in China) and warned of “strangers following me home” I constantly just look around and glance back behind me every 30 seconds or so and check if someone is following me… and same thing when in the US too

    This habit just stuck with me…

    I probably look weird af lol

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      Fun fact, that behaviour, which becomes more common among people living in areas with higher crime rates as a self-preservation technique, is viewed as suspicious behaviour by police, and is likely to get you tracked by security if you do it in a store.

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        It also attracts the attention of people who are looking for an easy mark. Looking around nervously makes you look like a target in bad neighborhoods.

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      I tend to turn it into a “casual sweep” of the scene. I’m looking at leaves, architecture, license plates! Well, and also getting a glimpse of whoever’s around me. From being bullied in grade school, to learning to fly in college, with growing up as a young women between the two eras, situational awareness has become baked into my existence. But it’s not a bad thing, it’s a skill.

      Tangentially, I wonder how much of this increased situational awareness plays into our famous “women’s intuition”? If we’re taking in more of our surroundings, it makes sense our unconscious minds will notice more readily when something’s “off.”

      As well, I’ve often considered my “luck” to come down to increased awareness. When retrospectively thinking about a sequence of events, I can sometimes put together how noticing A led to me doing B, even if I didn’t consciously think about it at the time. Like unconsciously noticing that a car in front of you is somewhat lopsided and getting the urge to switch lanes and pass them. You’re not thinking about it. But later on when that car spins out on a flat tire, you’re well past them - a safe distance away.

      Or a situation that undoubtly makes people think I’m lucky - finding four-leaf clovers. A split-second scan of the ground and I can notice a four-leafer in a patch. Just a few months ago I was pumpkin-picking with my girlfriend and it happened again. We were standing outside and I was telling her about this exact phenomenon when I stopped, laughed, crouched down, plucked one particular clover, and handed it to her. “See?! It just happens!” I then proceeded to find two more, and at that point I knew I had to stop myself.

      So yeah, it’s not all bad. :)

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        I’d wager that women are taught to be aware of their surroundings for safety and men just don’t ever get told, so unless there’s an experience that teaches them, they tunnel vision.

        Teaching situational awareness seems to be something that is lacking. Similar to critical thinking, I believe that there are skills we sometimes just don’t get taught by our parents or natural experiences. These are things we hopefully learn over time, but having them called out while we develop isn’t happening (I blame screens, but it’s nuanced).

        I tend to monologue to my kids when doing routine things, like loading the dishwasher (There’s a big bowl over there that I need to save room for…) or driving (I can see a car on the on-ramp, it will want to be where I am in a few seconds, so I’m adjusting my speed); just pointing out things around me that have either a real impact or a potential one and why those items came to my attention.

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        Im trans, grew up male thr first 28 years of my life, and I look around everywhere, not because I thought I was in danger but because I have ADHD and cant just look in one direction. I never feared for my well being while walking at night before transition and still dont after, but that fear was never instilled in me I guess.

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    that location at BYU specifically is informally known as Rape Hill, so of course the women aren’t looking straight ahead

    i know i’m very glib and i joke a lot, but i’m deadly serious right now.

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    I feel like you should probably do this study again outside of BYU and more generally outside of Utah, Mormon culture especially Utah Mormon culture is weird and could definitely fuck with a study like this.

    Though fun bit of personal experience with this exact scenario, my grandmother has better general visual awareness while my non visual awareness is a lot better overall. This means I subconsciously avoid things around me due to feel, sound, and smell but can be looking directly at something and not see it. Probably has something to do with the fact my eyesight is naturally fucked though, so my edge vision is basically useless for everything outside of movement since it’s basically just a blurry blob.

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    I look mostly at the ground to avoid stepping on dog poo.


    Edit: looks like the study was not done using eye tracking and was instead done with pictures:

    https://news.byu.edu/intellect/study-visually-captures-hard-truth-walking-home-at-night-is-not-the-same-for-women <- news thing

    https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/vio.2023.0027 <- paper

    Participants were given 16 images and asked to consider walking alone through the place in the picture. Using the Qualtrics heat map tool, they were instructed to imagine themselves walking through these areas and to click on the area(s) of the image that stood out to the most to them.

    Source: the research article paper I linked above


    Also, even if it was done with some type of eye tracking glasses, if you knew you were taking part in a study, would you be worried about what might happen, in comparison to how worried you are normally? Like I’m not gonna be worried about someone sneaking up on me if I know I’m being observed and more likely to be safe, so naturally I’d be more relaxed. I imagine the same applies for other people.

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      Yeah I’m a hard ground starer too. But def scanning periphery when not looking down. Especially at night when it’s most dangerous but I’ve always avoided going outside at night as much as possible.

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    Broad conclusions for a study conducted on a population of ~500 undergrad students at a single religious university in one city of one state of one country.

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      Based on reaction to images, clicking with a mouse where subjects looked

      Could just as easily be a study on how different sexes respond to the same instruction

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    I’m not buying that heatmap data. Why are almost all the dots on the left red? That would mean that women pick a random spot and focus on that for an extended period of time before moving on to the next. This is not really how you’d investigate a scene. The right images are much more believable to me: Short glances at random points to get an overview of the scene and then re-investigating points of interest.

    I am a man, though. Women: Do you really stare random points into oblivion?

    Edit:

    Ok, at first I thought this was actual eye tracking information. However,

    [researches] asked [participants] to click on areas in the photo that caught their attention.

    Then the different-colored dots make even less sense. And why are there fringes?

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      [researches] asked [participants] to click on areas in the photo that caught their attention.

      Then the different-colored dots make even less sense. And why are there fringes?

      Seems like a seriously flawed study, doezn’t it, asking people to point to what’s interesting is NOT AT ALL the same as tracking their eyes.

      We could actually track their eye movement by using special glasses. Just call your study what it actually is, ffs… don’t confuse the data.

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      …also, it has to do with attention on photos rather than real world going home experiences.

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      they picked a location on campus widely known among the student body for people getting raped. i was warned as a freshman during orientation not to go there after dark.

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          that’s the neat thing! they expel the students who get raped, not the rapists. that way they can keep their crime statistics low.

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      I’m not buying that heatmap data.

      In the article they note that they participants were shown photos and told to click on areas that caught their attention. The results show that women paid more attention to the periphery. No eye tracking, no long focus.

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      As a woman, imagining situations like those: I can see the brightly lit center is empty, that’s all I need to know about it. The stairs require several glances especially if I’m in heels or other unstable shoes. But those dark corners need checking and rechecking the whole time I’m walking, to be sure no tiny changes betray a lurker. Who is probably going to wait until they’re at my back to make a move.

      My mental image of the guys scanning the same image: “Yeah that’s where I’m going, that’s obviously where I’m looking.” Sure, they could get mugged but it’s less likely, and physical threat isn’t on their mind.

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        Sure, they could get mugged but it’s less likely

        This is completely untrue, men are (and always have been) the primary target of random violence such as mugging. According to FBI crime statistics it’s hugely disproportional year after year. Women are disproportionately victimized by their intimate partners, both male and female. Both of these facts are beyond tragic but it is, in my opinion, really important to get these things straight. Women are more likely to scream for help when they are being robbed which leads them to being de-prioritized when violent criminals are choosing their targets. Men tend to submit, and are likely to avoid reporting it due to shame, so the disparity is probably significantly higher than the already gigantic reported disparity.

        Hope you don’t see this as me just trying to stir shit cause I’m not. It just really irks me to see that sentiment repeated even though it’s entirely unsubstantiated. I’m a man of small stature and a minority. With awareness of the reality of the situation, the threat of physical violence is literally always on my mind. I’ve had a solid handful of random encounters in public that very nearly turned violent and it causes me pretty severe anxiety.

        Don’t know why I felt like typing a novel over this, like I said though I guess I just find it frustrating. I can’t talk to my female friends about this, they just laugh at me. They talk about it like I’m wholly immune to violence by virtue of being male when it couldn’t be further from the truth.

        Edit with data from FBI crime data explorer: Over the last 10 years it’s 906k male victims of robbery to 474k female victims, and (though it doesn’t need to be said) that’s just about double.

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        My point wasn’t that women aren’t looking at the surroundings, but that they don’t do it as is portrayed in the image. You said it yourself: “checking and rechecking the whole time” That doesn’t match singular hotspots, but rather a more spread-out heatmap with peaks at certain positions.

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        I was mugged in the playground of my building, the street across fine my house, my lobby, and at 57th and suttton, all in Manhattan. Then a few more times when I lived in Baltimore. I really hope most women don’t get raped that often.

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          I hope you’ve started scanning the dark periphery like we do. Not because you deserved anything that happened to you! And I’m not assuming you weren’t already. But because I can’t do anything to protect you from over here on the Internet and I don’t want that to happen to you anymore. It’s when we’re near home that we tend to let our guard down.

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            Thank you. I’ve taken a much more holistic approach. It’s worked very well. Haven’t been mugged in decades.

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              Can you mention some of the changes you’ve made? Maybe it would help someone who might read this comment chain.

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      It’s probably 1 click = blue, right? The more clicks overlap at a certain point the closer to red.

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          Theres probably variation from the background there, that drives clicks to that particular spot. Several of the red-female locations have blue-male dots at the same spot.

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      Yeah, what this data actually shows is that, in the situations tested, women tend to find darker areas of a picture more interesting and men tend to find lighter areas more interesting. Not as interesting of a headline though. I’m interested to see what the actual paper says, not some click bait pop-sci meme.

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      To your edit: The dots do make sense.

      This is an overlay of every participant. So if 100 women clicked in the same 10 places, for instance, they would be red. While places 50 women clicked would be yellow.

      Also, even if this was eye tracking of one person, it could still make sense. Red != 100%. Red is the place where the most time was spent looking. So of 1s was spent on all the dots, and everywhere else was less than 1s, then red. Comparing it to the male chart is what makes it seem off, but the comparison of color doesn’t matter, it’s the math.

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        I think their question was why would all the women click the same ten random places rather than spread the heat map out more broadly along the dark area?

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            Ahh, that’s more clear then, sorry!

            Heat map images were analyzed using canonical correlation (Rc) to determine the relationship between the two groups; dispersion testing to decipher spatial uniformity within the images; the Structural Similarity Index (SSIM) to characterize the nature of image patterns differences; and, the Breslow–Day Test to specify pattern locations within images.

            https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/vio.2023.0027

            Basically:

            • n women clicked somewhere on the bush
            • The bush is officially located at coordinates x/y
            • Place heat map point (circle) n times at x/y (the bush)

            @sem@piefed.blahaj.zone