Arrest then charge them. At the very least.
You could jump straight to breaking ankles if you’d like…
Similar thing happened in Spain with Catalans and many of them did end up in prison so… there’s hope!
I am utterly baffled as to why any Canadian in their right mind would want to be annexed by the U.S.
Sure, charge them with treason, but give them psych evals. Maybe offer mental health treatment in lieu of whatever Canada does to treason, it’s clearly a cry for help to overcome Fascist Oligarch Cuck Syndrome.
I am utterly baffled as to why any Canadian
You succumbed to the ethnic colonial kool-aid (nationalism) fed to you in school and subsequently believe all people of a nation are culturally the same. You have never been to Alberta. There are ‘dumb redneck’ equivalents in every nation everywhere. It’s silly to think dumb canadians don’t exist, unless you have a strange image of canada which doesn’t include Alberta
I coulda said that way more politely but I’m hangry and hate nationalism and what it does to people when they were children
in their right mind
Well, now apply that test to the people in question.
A lot of people are really fucking dumb.
There were people in Europe doing this 90 years ago, so nothing new I’m afraid
I am utterly baffled as to why any Canadian in their right mind would want to be annexed by the U.S.
They think it will make them more money, somehow.
I think a lot of it is way more racist than that.
“Old stock white Canadians, and that’s us, and we don’t have to apologize for this room being filled with white people. This used to be what Alberta was. We’re not apologizing for being ourselves… If we have control over immigration, we can control who comes here.”
- Alberta Prosperity Project CEO Mitch Sylvestre
He also said, “the replacement theory is real.” (i.e. the federal government intends to replace “white Canadians” with other races through immigration.) And he claimed Justin Trudeau said this explicitly. (I’m pretty sure he did not…)
Old stock white Canadians, and that’s us, and we don’t have to apologize for this room being filled with white people. This used to be what Alberta was.
Says the guy with european roots.
This used to be what Alberta was.
After your ancestors came and genocided the dark-skinned natives. But they always leave out that part huh
perhaps we should try some kind of conversion therapy on them, if you know what I mean
Accused? No. It’s straight up treason plain and simple.
It’s “accused” until a court convicts them. If you don’t like that our justice system works that way then you probably have more in common with those separatists than you think.
oh god i guess i don’t know what the word “accused” means then, would you please kindly explain it to me because I must be pretty stupid
That does sound like literal treason.
Technically legally closer to sedition, but nonetheless they are traitors to me.
I can’t express how much I wish my fellow Albertans, who want to join the US, to pack their things and head to their promised land.
The separatists movement has always been here. For decades even conservatives would laugh at someone suggesting ceding from Canada. Then PP came along and started riling them up and taking a page out of mein Kampf 2nd edition and here we are. That, and every equipment operator, truck driver and Derrick hand started listening to conservative podcasts and doing some ‘deep thinking’ without the requisite number of brain cells.
Fuckheads.
It seems to be universal that one. For some reason truck drivers and right-wing rhetoric just seem to go hand in hand.
But they’re the ones that have to cross over international borders and go through checkpoints all the time, so you would think that they’d be all in favour of smooth diplomatic relations.
For some reason truck drivers and right-wing rhetoric just seem to go hand in hand.
AM radio talk shows. Thirty years ago AM radio was where you got Rush Limbaugh, and it has NOT gotten any better. But that’s often the only signal that will work out in the boonies between here and there, so drivers listen to a lot of it.
If it’s treason, then lock them up.
I agree… but the person calling them traitors does not have the authority to do that.
I believe it has to come from the gov of Alberta (traitors all as well) or the Federal gov.
I do expect some form of movement on this, strategically this is too dangerous to go unpunished
Criminal charges are federal in Canada, but charges are laid by crown prosecutors in that particular province (never by the government itself)
I don’t think this actually meets the definition of treason, as they aren’t using violence and are going the legislative/referendum route: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-46.html
- Every one commits treason who, in Canada,
a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province;
b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada;
c) conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a);
d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or
e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act.
This is why a full investigation must take place. Until then we have no proof that the meeting did not violate paragraph b.
Paragraph B is the kicker, because we do know they met with a foreign power that has stated it wants to expand into Canada.
Hi there, you seem to be confused about how laws work in Canada. See, unlike our neighbours to the south, we have this crazy notion that civil rights do in fact matter.
That includes the right not to be subject to investigation without reasonable suspicion of a crime. There being no evidence that someone has not committed a crime is not a reasonable basis for an investigation.
Do you drive? Prove you haven’t ever committed vehicular manslaughter. Do you own bolt cutters? Prove you’ve never used them to break and enter. Do you have alcohol or weed in your home? Prove you’ve never sold them to minors. Have you ever been near a school? Prove you’re not a child rapist.
See how this works? Saying that someone was in a situation where they could have a comitted a crime cannot be the basis for a criminal investigation, or else we’d be investigating everyone, all the time.
The Alberta separatists are pathetic scumbags, but they’re not automatically criminals just because you don’t like what they did. That’s toddler logic.
I think you’re mistaking “investigation” with “prosecution” or something else. The cops can investigate literally anyone. You can hire a PI to investigate anyone.
There are limits however on what investigative actions can be legally taken by cops based on the evidence they have. Even with no evidence, they can still do things like interview people who know the POI, even follow them around in public. They can’t, for example, detain them and beat a confession out of them, or search their house willy nilly.
If we’re going to get technical, yes, there are extremely limited forms of investigative action that could be taken based on a broad suspicion. But without “reasonable grounds” the police are forbidden from interviewing suspects, detaining people, or performing any form of search or seizure. That’s not an investigation, that’s walking up to a guy in the street and going “Yo, did this guy do any crimes?” What on earth do you imagine would come out of that beyond wasting police time?
As for your comparison with private detectives, do I really have to explain that constraints on state power only apply to state actors? Private detectives are, by definition, private individuals. And they’re still basically constrained in all the same ways anyway, because you can’t just break into someone’s house or hack their computer. I know PIs in Canada. 100% of what they investigate falls into exactly two camps; infidelity, and insurance fraud. That’s it. They’re not Sherlock Holmes.
It’s unlikely that these dorks are leaking military info (and why would the US even care?), but they should definitely be investigated. I think the real question is whether the US are using “force or violence”, which would fall under C) and A)
military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character
I’m getting real sick of people ignoring 3/4 of the shit they’re supposedly quoting.
For some reason a lot of y’all wanna bend over backwards to defend this shit.
For some reason a lot of y’all wanna bend over backwards to defend this shit.
🙄
Pray tell, what would these dumbfucks even know about science that it’s worth leaking?
Bent so far back you’re crowning.
I do actually think 2b-e are all applicable here.
You gonna actually lay out your case for that? Because I’m pretty sure you’re wrong (no shade, I just disagree with your assessment), but it’s hard to say when you haven’t even offered any justification for your argument.
The regime has made overt commentary and motions of hostility toward Canada, and has vociferously stated a desire for lebensraum in Canada, Greenland, and other neighboring countries. When they talk about neo-Monroe doctrine, they’re really talking about neocolonialism. They’re “joking” until they’re not. It’s an established pattern and practice with the regime, now as well as in the first stint they had.
Right, but you have to make a case for what the people in Alberta did that’s treason. Not what the US did. We all know what the US did.
Simply interacting with a potentially hostile foreign power isn’t treason. If I have a coffee with a guy who works for the Iranian government, I’m not automatically a traitor.
What are the specific, treasonous actions that you’re alleging here?
© and (d) are circular, unless “high treason” is defined elsewhere. According to this, high treason is treason on its own.
High treason is defined in the previous section;
High treason
46 (1) Every one commits high treason who, in Canada, (a) kills or attempts to kill Her Majesty, or does her any bodily harm tending to death or destruction, maims or wounds her, or imprisons or restrains her; (b) levies war against Canada or does any act preparatory thereto; or (c) assists an enemy at war with Canada, or any armed forces against whom Canadian Forces are engaged in hostilities, whether or not a state of war exists between Canada and the country whose forces they are.
Just like our government used those hate speech laws to punish musk, a canadian citizen, for doing nazi salutes on international media / supporting fascist ideals openly?
I dont see it happening. Many of our laws are just for poor people / commoners.
I agree with the sentiment but I fail to see what the Judicial Branch of Canada could have done to Musk about that.
Hate speech is a criminal offense in Canada. Any other citizen doing a nazi salute and promoting white supremacy risks literal jail time. Hell, the guy subsequently pushed out a kiddy-porn grok tool, and still isn’t getting held accountable.
One of the functions of the courts is to basically “make examples” of public/blatant violations of the laws, to re-enforce the importance of obeying the laws to other would be criminals.
Musk, a Canadian citizen, lands in Canada, as he frequently does, you throw him in Jail. Max sentence is two years, so have him serve the max – I mean, the scale of his actions certainly would warrant a proper display of punishment. We threw Meng Wanzhou in jail based on the descriptions she provided for doing Wire Transfers, held her in Canada for years before she was released. So, that’s what the government’d do if Musk wasn’t a billionaire/US figure immune to all laws in Canada. Laws that only really apply to the poors.
Hate speech is a criminal offense in Canada.
The operative words here are “in Canada.”
Musk hasn’t done anything in Canada that would meet the definition of hate speech.
Canada isn’t beyond going after people for crimes committed in other countries. Just look at how well we’ve repatriated and ‘forgiven’ the atrocities of people who went and joined ISIS. Or that swirly-face guy who did the whole child-sex-tourism thing in Thailand, but still got nabbed in Canada for it. Or Meng, who’s wires were sent outside of Canada, and yet she was still detained, by Canada, for years, because the US said so.
Saying “Nothing can be done!” is not the attitude Canada has taken in other scenarios. Even when the person is basically let go after a while (Meng), they still took some action. Here, Canada just shrugs, and lets the US give money to Alberta separatists, while they’re also running disinformation style campaigns and influence campaigns focused on disrupting and heightening instability in Canada: they control most of Canadas major media afterall. Musk is basically immune to accountability for his actions due to his relationship with the US administration and his giant pile of money: things that frankly, should make him a foreign agent of some sort, with far more scrutiny to his actions within Canada/impacting Canada. He practically runs an anti-Canada influence machine in X, and is openly manipulating things like Wikipedia (grokepedia) to align to the US Administrations distorted/fabricated world view. His status is similar to how Trump is immune to anything in the Epstein files, realistically, and he’s only fussed about it cause he’s a narcissist worrying about his legacy – not because he’s worried he’ll face any direct accountability for his past actions.
Please educate yourself on how international law and extradition treaties work. Meng Wanzhou was never charged with a crime by the Canadian government. She was charged by the US government for crimes committed under their jurisdiction. She was detained in Canada to be given over to the US authorities because that’s how extradition treaties work.
I’d gladly comment on the other examples, but I’d need something more concrete to go on than vague gestures at that “that guy who did that thing.”
And yes, some Canadian laws do apply to Canadian citizens even if you commit the crime outside of Canada. Treason, for example. We allow for limited exceptions in those kinds of cases. Sex tourism and terrorism are, to my recollection, both examples where that would be the case.
But hate speech is not. And while you argue, if you want to, that it should be, even changing the law today would not put Musk in any immediate legal jeopardy because the Charter of Rights and Freedoms commands that no person shall ever be subject to criminal prosecution unless the action they took was illegal at the time that it was committed.
Personally, I don’t think thats a legal can of worms we want to be opening any time soon. Because the more we try to apply our laws to citizens abroad, the more other nations will feel empowered to do the same to us. My family are all British-Canadian dual nationals. I don’t want to be arrested in the UK the next time I visit my family, just because I was smoking weed here in Canada where its legal, thank you very much.
Sometimes we have to accept that while we may be disgusted, horrified and outraged by someone’s actions, the law simply isn’t an effective tool for responding to those actions.
Musk’s company distributed child porn to the world, and he did Nazi salutes – supporting white supremacist BS – on an international stage. But I’m sure the sex tourist’s crimes were so much worse that your point is totally valid and reasonable. It’s like arresting the homeless guy for robbing a bank for $200, while letting a white collar criminal get away with embezzling hundreds of thousands. “Trust us, the system works!”. Yeah, ok, sure.
And yes yes, please educate me on all the legal bullshit that clearly still matters. Look, if Canadians are watching a Canadian go on international media and throw up Nazi salutes, and seeing a Canadian run a massive anti-Canadian social media company that distributed child porn for a while to the masses, and they’re seeing this person get away without a scratch / no accountability for these sorts of actions, it sends a very clear message – just like the right-wing in the USA getting away with an attempt to violently overthrow their government sent a very clear message. “Due process” shenanigans and lawyer stupidity is a big part of what’s gotten us to this point. Legal sorts going “Well, you see, technically, he’s allowed to distribute child porn because of loopholes and grey areas!” doesn’t change shit for victims, nor does it make anyone think the legal system actually works in the interests of the people – the ineptitude and ineffectiveness of the legal system to hold these people to account for actions that are clearly harmful undermines the authority and validity of the court system. Your points feel similar to a lawyer in the states trying to pretend that the law/constitution matter, while the supreme court is busy accepting paid vacations to chill with Putin in his palace, gobbling down Trump’s dick and enabling all the human rights abuses and disregard for the law by the administration going on in the states. You can’t claim the US courts are unbiased/fair, when their supreme court is so highly questionable and clearly politically controlled. On Canada’s part and in terms of international law, Canada’s government is already signalling very clearly that the foundation of an international rules-based order is toast, and that nations need to re-orient their setups accordingly – so I’ll prolly not bother getting too mired in the murk of an international legal system that’s been declared on life support at best.
Like Netanyahu is wanted by the ICC for war crimes. Australia, a country that claims to comply with the ICC and is a ‘middle power’, just invited him over for a friendly visit. Those international laws are totally still working and valid, I better get reading! Oh, wait.
As to your example with weed smoking – frankly, if you were broadcasting your habit into the UK and promoting weed publicly on international channels targeting the UK, and then you went to visit the UK, I’d be fine with them holding you accountable. Likewise, if a Canadian goes to a foreign country, and then starts doing shit like they did in ISIS, Canada basically abandoned those people for years because we didn’t want them back, and we were generally all fine with them languishing in squalid jails in syria for their atrocities. Especially because, by Canadian court standards, it’d be nearly impossible to get an actual conviction due to the lack of documentation/evidence trails from that period/region. And in the ISIS case, yeah, Canada was eventually told by the courts that they should’ve done more to repatriate those immoral/monstrous people – so it was “against the law!” to do what Canada did, but Canada fuckin did it anyway cause it was the right thing to do.
And Meng? Say what you want, she was clearly a pawn in an international spat between the USA and China, designed to alienate Canada and China from one another. And it worked for years, with relations being completely soured right up until Carney’s recent visit. Again, it was “technically legal” to do that, but Canada likely shouldn’t have gone along with it – the states didn’t even want to extradite her, as the whole point was to fuckup Canada/China relations.
Lawyers are scum, there’s a good reason there used to be tons of lawyer jokes shitting on the profession. AI could eat the lot of them, and the regular citizen likely wouldn’t notice a difference. “We made the law so stupid that you need to pay us hundreds of thousands of dollars to figure out if you’re in trouble! And even then, it doesn’t really matter cause your innocence is basically determined by how much money you can spend on us! Yay! Fairness!” – congrats, so there’s no difference between a lawyer telling me stupid shit, and an AI telling me stupid shit, as it all just sounds like stupid shit.
I agree but our criminal code is specific in that nobody can be convicted of an offense committed outside of Canada unless specifically stipulated by the law.
So like we would have to amend our laws in the legislature to specifically allow for criminal convictions of the things Musk did.
IMO the ICC our USA would be more appropriate entities to pursue the criminal justice musk very much deserves.
If Canada is smarter than America, they will deal with this decisively. It’s one think to be a big dickhead online, screaming for revolution. It’s a whole other thing to be meeting with representatives of a hostile government who has made many threats of invasion. That’s fucking treason, and Canada should deal with it right the fuck NOW, and send a clear message to future traitors. Don’t wait to see if it gets worse, like we do here in America, deal with it preemptively.
Their leader is an international banker.
They definitely are not smarter than we are, just a few years behind the enshittification curve.
Generally considered to be the most educated country in the OECD, so arguably objectively smarter than the US, which is rather further down.
And yet, still going down the same path as the US with regard to their political and economic situation.
We have concerning overlap, but what the last decade has shown is that Canada is culturally, politically and economically different from the US. And we want to remain so.
Your facile comparisons have all the insight of a high school bong session.
Thank you for your reply. Have a lovely day. :)
Our current party is currently lead by a former international banker who is now PM. We don’t have a “leader”. And by all metrics (I’m assuming you’re an American from your use of the ‘Royal We’ in this case, since everything is about America to you) “We” are smarter, and not a few years behind.
Let me use the ‘Royal We’ from our country. “We” say, fuck you you fucking hoser and get bent. America bends, Canada won’t.
Their leader is an international banker.
… in a trade war. Stupid like a fox.
They definitely are not smarter than we are
We do present differently, though.
Do we think that more than 46% of us read above a 6th-grade level? Yes, at 87% ‘scoring PIAAC level 2 or higher’, so that’s one metric. Most tertiary education? We’re doing a little better there, too (65% vs 51%). Electing pedos? Still eking ahead; and I’m calling that an intelligence test.
But you can surely find areas where Canadians don’t score highly, and that’s going to be okay. We don’t need to be the winner.
Canada won’t.
Yeah, that’s what we said back in 2008, when we elected a guy who gives good speeches but is making sure his rich golf buddies get the lion’s share of the wealth.
But I’m sure that won’t happen in Canada. Totally.
i suggest trying out this new word i learned:
IMMURATION
Sure. You learned it but won’t teach it to others. All you people in the cave…you’re fucked!
well sure. if i teach it to them then i won’t get any more than my head outta this damn cave
Who wants to start a GoFundMe to pay for moving expenses for these guys
will you consider prisoner exchange by sending them to statesia?
Moving to prison I suppose?
Do it fast, do it fully, and show no mercy, the window lickers in the USA (large portion at least) still say Jan 6th wasn’t really treason, but when central Republicans (Democrats) and Nazi Republicans (everyone right of Democrats) fail to do it we the people need to, cause I still think someone should go put each and every one of those people down including the orange shortbus rider running the show full of pedophile dementia, fuckin hate that fuck
the window lickers in the USA (large portion at least)
It objectively is not a large portion. Did you see the 2025 elections, where something like two dozen districts that Donald won in 2024 flipped?
Yeah I also remember fuckstain saying how great felon musk is with computers as well, plus all the anomaly’s
Half of America is being held hostage and secret police are gunning down people in the streets and people in your country are looking at this and saying to themselves thats what I want. A lot of us would die to live in a democracy and these clowns are committing treason? Fascism is a cancer you better cut that cancer out
Alberta wanting to become its own country is like a high schooler who moves out of his parents’ house because he thinks he can make it as a Soundcloud rapper
If anyone wants to know how this turns out…just ask Ukraine.
Pull an uno reverse have have Canada annex the US.
