Ukraine war latest: EU agrees €90bn loan for Ukraine as Putin tells BBC the West is ‘making Russia the enemy’ - BBC News

  • BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip
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    11 hours ago

    Don’t invade other countries. Don’t interfere with other countries’ elections. Considering Russia helped Trump get elected twice and tried three times I’m very angry at them.

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      37 minutes ago

      I agree with not invading or interfering with other countries elections. But that doesnt really explain why Europe is antagonizing Russia in particular. Europe itself has invaded other countries like Iraq or Afghanistan, bombed others like Libya or Yugoslavia, and they still remain very attached to the king of invading and interfering: the USA. Why doesn’t Europe antagonize Israel during an ongoing genocide against Palestinians?

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        Russia is antagonizing Europe. They’re trying to steal Ukraine. In 2014 they stole Crimea. They wage hybrid warfare against Europe, The United States, Canada and I’m sure other countries too.

        In addition note that Russia internally and globally through their propaganda network supports far-right policies that I’m sure especially given your username “Socialism_Everyday” would strongly be against your beliefs.

        Can I ask are you happy with Donald Trump? I’m sure you’re not and you can thank Russia for him being elected twice.

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          Yugoslavia was in Europe too when NATO bombed it.

          I also dislike the idea that only European lives matter and Europe can be allies with murderous genocidal regimes as long as they murder brown people.

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    14 hours ago

    1990-2013 I saw Russia as friendly’ish even when they fought in Chechnya etc.

    2014-2021 wtf. maybe they are not so good? what’s next?

    2022- Russia is definitely the enemy

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      12 hours ago

      Yeah, I remember working in the early 2000s with Russian institutes and things were really good.

      2008 was when I recall the first “wtf”, in the war with Georgia.

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      34 minutes ago

      While I don’t necessarily disagree, I wonder if you apply the same standards and suggest economic sanction to the USA and EU given their recent support of genocide in Palestine, or historical invasions such as Iraq or the bombing of Libya

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      12 hours ago

      And all the not quite attacking but still hybrid warfare and desinformation didn’t help. All kinds of drones going over militairy locations in Europe is not a real token of friendship. Fighter jets skimming the borders are also not seen as a peaceful greeting.

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      15 hours ago

      Came here for this. Yeah, you’re the enemy because you invaded another country, and have been trying to gaslight the rest of the world about it ever since. In fairness, though, the gaslighting has worked on one particular idiot.

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    17 hours ago

    Always has been the enemy and always will be the enemy certainly as long Putin remains in the Kremlin.

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      30 minutes ago

      I hate to tell you this but this won’t end when Putin leaves Kremlin. Putin is simply acting on behalf of Russian capitalist owners much as European and American leaders act on behalf of their capitalist owners, particularly in geopolitics and international affairs. If you don’t remove the system behind Putin/Trump/Von Der Leyen, they’ll just change the face at the front and keep the shit they’re doing in Ukraine/Venezuela/Palestine.

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    14 hours ago

    russia is basically stuck in a fart suit with this unbearable shit until they decide they’re tired of being abused or he dies