This poetgirl on Instagram says some off the wall shit.
Some of these old bitches have totally lost their mind and just spread misinformation.
This is more than mildly infuriating for me but I wasn’t quite sure where else to post this lol.
Whatever, the whole point is the religion shouldn’t be in schools in the first place. Get it out.
well this guy deserves to be tarred and feathered
You can’t say tard on the internet! That word is offensive you stupid fucking cunt
i meant tarred as in have molten tar poured on him
Past tense of tar is tarred, tard just means late, like tardy
He’s gonna be late and feathered? Oh boy
ahh my mistake! i will fix the typo now! thank you for the correction!
TIL that nobody in the US military that has died has never ever been Muslim.
What they don’t want you to know is that muslims become immortal while in the US military.
Hey, they never said anything about Muslims in foxholes! Lol
Get out of here with your furfiction degeneracy.
~20% of the slaves brought to America were Muslim. Several fought during the Revolutionary War including Bampett Muhamed, Yusuf ben Ali (also known as Joseph Benhaley), and Joseph Saba: https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/african-muslims-early-america
I’m pretty sure there have been plenty of Jews, Muslims, Atheists, and others that have bled for the US too.
It is pointless to engage with that point of their argument, because the underlying premise that the 10 commandments are hung in the classroom on account of Christians dying for the US is even more wrong.
So by entering the discussion about whether Muslims have fought and died for the US, they will imply that you have accepted their underlying premise. There is no good faith arguing with fascists.
I am one of those that have fought and is not Christian
Ssshhh, you’re making sense, you’ll scare them off!
“Christians” also stole this land and genocided people who had lived here since long before they came. Those who don’t like this should return to where their forefathers came from, no?
Didn’t the Christians have slaves that they brought over fight too? I’m sure some of them had different religious beliefs.
Ouch, did I completely forget that part. Yup, those cultures also must be made widely known
No, because, you see, after a certain amount of time the land just defaults to the ownership of whoever currently occupies the land, morally speaking 🥰. Why yes, I do happen to be the current occupant of the land, why do you ask? Oh, the amount of time? That depends, of course!
Oh, the amount of time? That depends, of course!
“… hmm let me see… hey Johnson, when did we land here again?”
Optional extra
Damn that is so good. Take my upvote!
Wrong… A simple google search shows that Muslims did indeed fight in the US revolutionary war along side other colonists
Or you could just say the 10 commandments are part of Islam.
They’re part of the Old Testament, which pulls from Jewish scripture, but it’s all Abrahamic to me. They should post the Beatitudes if they really want to keep things Christian-specific, but they won’t. Why? Just read them (and the corresponding Woes in Luke) and you’ll see. The Wikipedia article should be enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatitudes
Mmm problem with the beatitudes is they’re kinda pretty open to interpretation. What do you consider merciful or righteous? Sure its narrowed down pretty well if you follow all of his teachings… but that’s asking a lot of modern American Christians.
Cool, and dickish on rightwingers part. But t also I didn’t realize they were even a minority population then past like- random individuals and families
As Jewish person my school literally had propoganda posters on the wall explicitly justifying genocide and blaming Palestinians for their own deaths
and you tore them down…
I wish, I would have gotten expelled. It doesn’t matter now anyway since I already graduated.
You could have gotten expelled? What the fuck?
Post the 10 commandments written in Arabic. Watch the reactive hilarity ensue.
People who don’t know: 😏
People who know: 😏
Yeah, and force them to use Arabic numerals in math class !
Christians fought for the land? You are talking about the genocide of native Americans? The same ones that owned slaves?.. Yeah ok, I understand why YOU like them so much now…
About 20-30% of the people enslaved and deported to the US were Muslims.
The “Christians” brought Islam to North America by force.
That is why they are trying to ban the facts you just shared.
Nothing but pro-White Nationalism propaganda allowed
There’s no hate like christian love
It is really sad since not all Christians are like that
If the ones that aren’t like that gave a fuck they would do literally anything to stop the ones that are. But because that would hurt their precious religion they just ignore it instead.
As far as I’m concerned they are all dog shit people. Willingly turning a blind eye to hate from your own is no better than spewing it yourself.
Yeah, we often see the entire non-terrorist Muslim population being held responsible for not doing enough to condemn terrorism, but Christians are let off the hook for the atrocities of their fundamentalists.
“Your inaction is your admission of guilt”.
I assure you the ones that arent like that do give a fuck and do what they can with what ability they can when able. A lot of them go non denominational and some are fighting other battles elsewhere.
What would you have me do?
I can’t control other people
Dietrich Bonhoeffer was murdered by the SS because he didn’t stand idle as his country went full Nazi. He helped with multiple plots to assassinate Hitler, smuggled vulnerable people out of Germany and founded a church that rejected nazification that was later deemed illegal by the Nazis. The guy was a pastor. Do you honestly think he was dogshit for not doing enough?
This also exposes another problem with the original assertion: there’s plenty to do if you’re present, like Bonhoeffer was, but what is there to do if someone lives on the other side of the world? Send a harshly-worded tiktok?
Across the pond there were families that took in those refugees, invited Dietrich to speak to congregations, and stored his letters he sent from prison. In short, we should echo the voices of dissent and give them material support if possible.
Fair, I aspire to be that way. The best I can do right now is to tell people espousing that nonsense over here to cut that shit out
https://www.thetrumpet.com/8173-catholic-church-helped-eichmann-escape
I think the Catholic Church as an institution has abused the trust of a great many wonderful people who have made a relatively understandable mistake, in the sense that everyone is a product of their environment, in supporting its continued existence.
If you want to change their minds, you have to do it with promises & lies.
In the meantime, the pope will continue to shit in the woods.
Oh, fuck off with that bullshit. I don’t even have a desire to describe why and how exactly this way of thinking is crap
Not all that segregate are doomed to hate. Just most.
Thanks for not telling us “we are going to hell”, we’re already here.
The ones that aren’t didn’t do much to stop the ones that are from taking over. You’d think they’d care more about the blasphemous hatred they spew. It makes all Christians look bad.
What would you like me to do? I don’t support the evangelicals.
There’s not much of anything you can do as an individual other than publicly denounce them. This is something church leaders should have nipped in the bud a long time ago.
Every 2000 years or so, religion goes to war with itself. Big war.
In the years between, it’s basically disputes over what to call the omnipotent being or which shoe to worship.
What does stopping American Christofascists from reconstructing the US government into a baldly authoritarian cesspit look like for normal, moderate Christians? And how does it differ from what theists of other religions and atheists could do to stop the same thing (reconstruction of the US government)?
It’s decades too late at this point, but not accepting the far-right fundamentalists who were spewing clearly non-Christ-like rhetoric as fellow Christians would have been a good start. This applies more to church leadership than lay people, although a general sense of not accepting them from everyone would have still helped. They were happy to consider them when counting how many people in the US were Christian. Unlike non-theists and theist non-Christians alike, all Christians gain a lot by being the de facto state religion despite it supposedly being illegal.
You also can fuck right off. Didn’t do much my ass
Considering the evangelicals hold all the political power, they apparently didn’t. If they did try to fight them, they did a terrible job.
Lol. That’s funny. Do it again
So we should display religious things of only the original occupiers of the land? I don’t think she’s going to be happy with the conclusion there.
I for one am all for this plan. Schools would be a lot cooler if they were decorated by the local Native American tribes.
Never underestimate the kinks of people.
As long as someone beneath me gets hurt at least a little bit…
Haven’t you heard? “European whites” are actually natives now. That’s literally what those fascists on Jubilee said and were cheering for.
They will just change the reality if we let them.
The Clovis people?
The basis of most modern day US Republican policies is simply might makes right.
Right!
Adjective-noun-number profile? That’s a bot
or just someone tired of making up usernames and thus using bitwarden’s username generator.
Sure, not saying that’s guaranteed. But it’s definitely a red flag
It is not. I confirmed it by digging further. It is a teacher from Texas
Muslims have a long and proud history of serving this country with honor and distinction for centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_in_the_United_States_military
The first country to recognize the US was Morocco, an overwhelmingly Muslim nation then, and before then, and now. And for that long-lasting support, real Americans suggest they don’t belong here.
It wasn’t …France, who was there fighting with us for that independence?
I get what you’re saying, but it was Morocco in June of 1777, while France took their sweet time (February of 1778). I only know this because it was stressed to us when I went to Morocco to train with their military (or have them train with us). It went poorly.
Yes. I have served with some.
Also, let’s not forget the interpreters we had that risked their lives to help us. Many we worked to bring back to the states. They are amazing people and I would choose any interpreter that I ever worked with over my own mom. My mom was horrible btw.
Why would anyone help the US after seeing this shit? Nothing seems to matter to these anonymous, masked goons: whether they have legal protections, whether they were approved by the previous administration, whether they helped us in a warzone, whether they’re a citizen!? Their hatred of brown people extends to our fucking allies showing up for court as part of the legal process (immigrating the “right way”). Doesn’t matter, they’ll still arrest you at the courthouse.
And it won’t stop there. Soon it’ll be anyone LGBTQ+, then all Democrats, then…
Yes. Sadly I know all about this and it hits pretty close to home for me.
They are pissing off a bunch of operators and such and that’s never a good thing.
Personally I do think it should be required to post some amount of Islamic concepts. Among the many ways we are too provincial is seeing everything through the eyes of a single religion family. Even our friends and neighbors seem alien when we aren’t even aware there are other religions.
Let’s require at least some comparative religion study, perhaps in social studies and history. The major religions have had a huge impact on the development of our societies and we should all be more familiar with beliefs held in common or u destined where they’re actually different (and not just the Fix News version)
They should learn about Christianity and Islam in their history textbooks. That’s fucking it.
Why should that be it? Throw in Deism to understand the attitude of the US founders, then round out most of the population with Islam, Hindu, Jainism, and probably many more. You have to cover Judaism because of its influence on Christianity. And of course agnostics and atheism to round out the beliefs. You’ll never hit all the possibilities but perhaps it would be ok to cover families of beliefs, such as if native belief systems are similar (I have no idea and that’s a shame)
I meant that’s the only place it should be learned about, and not plastered on the wall. I’d gladly shove all the other fairy tales in there too
Actual inter-religious comparative theology is probably even better for developing skeptical critical thinkers than not teaching people about religion at all. I would love to see schools adopt that sort of coursework.
We’ve had a marked drop in literacy and math skills in the last decade. We need to shore up those core skills before adding in any kind of social comparisons. The lack of understanding of nuance and context in text has directly led us to where we are in this country.
I agree that those are huge issues. I guess in my opinion, philosophy courses like what I described tend to improve literacy and math skills by requiring you read and write deliberately, think about the nuances of words, and build logical, self-consistent arguments/statements.
Exactly.
Most states do require some comparative religion in high school history. I’ve taught it.
Confucianism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and the Abrahamic faiths were in the curriculum. What was really fascinating was having a high schooler that had no idea what Christianity was. I live in the Bible Belt!
But yeah, understanding things like the Five Pillars of Islam humanizes Muslims. Understanding why a classmate isn’t eating all day, knowing that Muslims are required to donate some to charity if they can…
I think even some of the quasi Christian groups should be covered, but that’s a lot dicier. I don’t know if JW kids’ parents would want them to learn about the Great Disappointment, or Mormon families would approve of discussing Jo Smith’s child brides… (much less that official Mormon theology was that Native Americans would turn white if converted, or the best outcome for black folks was being a servant in the afterlife)
My mom once asked if my Jewish girlfriend celebrated Thanksgiving. When I scoffed, she reminded me that there weren’t any Jews on the Mayflower.
I reminded her that there weren’t any Catholics either.
Nice. You gave her the burrrnn. Good job. We need to really start correcting much of this type of misinformation out there when people say it one day many many more will believe it.
It’s a fight against windmills. There’s a certain type of person who’s just totally resistant against learning new stuff. They got their opinion and that’s truth and screw everything else.
You might correct one thing, but by the time you did that they already dug up three new pieces of garbage.
It’s so frustrating.
she once refused to back down on the fact that Jupiter doesn’t have a solid surface. Best I got was “I don’t know about that.”
You might correct one thing, but by the time you did that they already dug up three new pieces of garbage.
In fairness, Thanksgiving wasn’t made a national holiday until 1863. By then, the US had plenty of Catholics, in no small part thanks to the Irish Potato Famine of the prior two decades.
It also had plenty of Jews, thanks to the Napoleonic Wars and the then-recent string of wars along the border of the Ottoman Empire.
Hell, it might be worth pointing out that the Mayflower was the product of the 30 Years War (of which the Hell on Earth podcast miniseries does a really excellent job of documenting), which also produced a sizable exodus of Catholics and Jews to the New World. So, it seems they’ve got as much of an excuse to celebrate 17th century Settlers Colonialism as anybody.
