Parents should be automatic accomplices if a weapon they own is used by their child if there was no forced entry to the gun safe, because they clearly didn’t secure it from the child properly.
They should get accomplice anyway for raising this kid having guns in the house a year after the police come to your door is willful negligence
My sister used to watch over my mother’s shoulder as she entered the combination to her medication safe (cancer pain meds). Kids are sneaky and you have to be way, way more careful than you expect.
No, you have to be not stupid and realize they are sneaky little fuckers.
It’s not like most gun safes are just sitting out in the kitchen or living room, especially in a household with kids. So kick them out of your bedroom and close the door while you’re retrieving the firearms so they can’t see the combination.
Also biometric safes are pretty common these days, then you can keep the backup physical key in a safe deposit box at the bank or even with a friend.
There is such a thing as a biometric gun safe. If you have children and guns, get one and keep your guns in it.
Fwiw I would never store my guns in electronics dependent safes, which have their own caveats too. A device that sent alrets when a safe or case is opened is an idea im sure im not the first one to have and could be a reasonable requirement for firearm owners.
Quite a few biometric safes are garbage though.
They should make a device that detects when a safe or case is opened and sends alerts to your phone. Honesty seems easy as heck could be a college level project to design something you could retrofit on safes. Then theres no way anyone properly storing weapons could claim they didn’t know.
You can do this with most DIY alarm systems. Mount a door sensor inside the cabinet, triggers when opened.
Useful for liquor cabinets too.
https://ring.com/products/alarm-window-door-contact-sensor-v2
I’d think the trick with a gun cabinet is they’re metal and you’d have to find some way to maintain connectivity when closed.
Couldn’t you put the sensor on the outside?
Or better yet, if the gun safe is in its own area with a door to separate it, put the sensor on that door
Yup. Say the gun safe is in a bedroom or a closet, you could put the sensor on the bedroom or closet door, but that would generate false alerts.
If you put the sensor on the outside of the cabinet, it could just be removed. Tape the two halves of the sensor together and pry them off. As long as they don’t separate, it wouldn’t trigger.
If you are paranoid you can literally just take one of those Ring indoor cameras and put it on top of your safe. The app includes custom notifications on detected motion.
Now, the kid could still go out of their way to disable the home WiFi or something but that level of premeditation is a different problem entirely.
First preference would be educating your kids on the safe handling of guns from an early age and inculcating in them a set of values that shows guns are for defensive purposes and not for interpersonal conflict resolution.
The secondary strategy is storing your firearms in a locked safe the kids do not know the combination to, in a locked room to which they don’t have a key.
When a process happens again and again then it is not a malfunction, it is a norm.
The system isn’t broke and in need of fixing. It’s working exactly as planned and needs to be destroyed.
All the laws in the world are useless if they’re not enfoeced. We saw it in the Maine shooting, we’re seeing it here now, we see it even in the presidential election.
What we really need to know is how/where did he get the gun.
At 14, he’s not legal age for either a pistol or a rifle.
Edit Dad admits to buying it for him as a Christmas present 7 months after the FBI investigation.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/winder-georgia-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html
There are often exceptions to this for rifles if the underage person is using the weapon for hunting or other sport.
“Minors are permitted to possess pistols or revolvers under certain specified and monitored activities and there are provisions against a parent or legal guardian allowing a minor to possess a pistol or revolver if the adult “is aware of a substantial risk that such minor will use a pistol or revolver to commit a felony offense” or if the minor has been convicted of a violent felony or misdemeanor. Violation can mean a felony conviction, a fine of up to $5,000 and 3-5 years in prison.”
I would say, having an FBI investigation into a school shooting threat last year would constitute “substantial risk”.
But that’s also assuming it was an AR pistol and not an AR rifle. So far they’re just saying “AR platform” which could mean anything.
So far they’re just saying “AR platform” which could mean anything.
I hate how news agencies do that shit. People who don’t know anything about guns see that and see “big scary automatic military rifle with 1 gajillion round magazine”. Where in reality a ton of guns from tiny handguns to .50 beowulf big game rifles use the “AR platform” just because it’s an old enough design to be public domain. Saying it’s an AR platform gun tells us exactly nothing.
Yup, and since he snuck it into a school, most likely an AR pistol…
That his dad bought for him 7 months after he threatened to shoot up a school. 😳
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/winder-georgia-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html
Most likely.
Also how the hell does he wind up still going to that school after he already threatened to shoot the place up? At least when I was going to school anything even close to that would get you kicked out and put in the special troubled kid school.
I don’t think it was the same school… they had family trouble, moved a bunch, got evicted.
Ah, that makes much more sense.
Dad is fucked now, bought the gun as a gift for the little psycho 7 months after the FBI investigated him for the school shooting threat.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/winder-georgia-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html
Good thing they did something about it then
Which they, and do what?
Wadsworth: [shouting] That’s what we’re trying to find out! We’re trying to find out who killed him, and where, and with what!
Professor Plum: There’s no need to shout!
Wadsworth: [shouting louder] I’m not shouting!
[Guests stare at him pointedly]
Wadsworth: [shouting] All right, I am! I’m shouting, I’m shouting, I’m shout…
[candlestick falls from above and hits him on the head]Wadsworth: Professor Plum, you were once a professor of psychiatry specializing in homicidal lunatics suffering from delusions of grandeur.
Professor Plum: Yes, but now I work for the government.
Wadsworth: So your work hasn’t changed.
Pretty much every line in that movie is quotable.
“Wee woo! It’s the grammar Nazis here to cite you for a dangling modifier violation!”
“Excuse me, officers, but allow me to cite the Rule of Context, subsection 4, paragraph B”
Man it was a genuine question. For fucks sake.
Then it’s a good thing you can take a joke, geez…
That wasn’t really a joke though
I’m so glad we’re finally going after parents of shooters. Maybe this will finally start having an effect after enough of them lose their freedom.
