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Is it just .ml or is most of lemmy instances run by tankies?
It’s mostly the Tankie Triad consisting of Hexbear, Lemmygrad and .ml
I tend to focus on .ml because Hex and Grad are generally defederated from by most major instances because they are even more extreme than .ml on top of the fact that there’s a perception among instances that if they defederate from dessalines’ (head Lemmy dev, main .ml admin) .ml instance there will be retaliation in the form of pull back of technical support for their instance (Which, yea, I could totally see him doing that)
There are some communities and some users who also lean tankie. !world@lemmy.world is often pretty crazy, and I have the feeling some users of slrpnk and dbzer0 also go nuts from time to time
dbzer0 has a ton of great communities but they’ve had some real weirdo niche mods come to light lately. I’m hoping they address it, it’d be a change of pace from the general admin approach on lemmy which can feel extremely hands-off on most instances.
There’s definitely something changing with dbzer0 when it comes to Tankies. They actively avoid criticising them now.
oh yea i couldnt put my finger on dbzero, are they are tankie or not, ive seen quite a few users with pro-extreme rhetoric.
dbzer0 is the pro-piracy instance. That’s the entire political stance. Most users are some kind of anarchist, some are tankies or tankie sympathizers who are there because dbzer0 don’t defederate from Hexbear, and I’ve spotted a libertarian once, but all users on dbzer0 think piracy is a good thing to one extent or other.
piracy’s great! i pirate literally everything if i can, with the exception of indie-stuff, I like supporting the lil guy
though they do arrest pirates in china
What’s a decent lemmy instance? The ones named above are the ones I use lol.
slrpnk and dbzer0 are both fine, and .world is a bit fractious but still quite solid. Blahaj is good too! Really the only instances I’d suggest avoiding are Hexbear, Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad
but dbzer0 federates with hexbear…
Bahaj is a pretty nice place. The mods I’ve interacted with there seem to have their heads screwed on straight. We will see how long that continues.
people are fine, as long as they dont visit the main politics.world communities, or anyof the affiliate. there some semi-wierd pro-ziolnist thing going on.
I was permabanned from the political and news subs for writing, WITH REPUTABLE SOURCES, Russia’s election meddling AND for saying feminist things. I spoke with the mod who banned me publicly and he was unable to support his ban based on the rules, but kept it intact. Those subs imo are compromised by their mods
yea i just skim those subs, prior to being purged as effort by reddit to reduce user numbers on the site. too easy to get into conflict with trolls and get yourself banned.
Blahaj 😂
That must be one of the most authoritarian ones. Not tankie, but the lgbt tankie equivalent
Got any examples? Blahaj was founded on the principle of protecting trans people, and I have yet to see anything here that people are claiming as mods abusing their power that didn’t turn out to be people getting upset about being banned for being transphobic.
There’s definitely some tankies here, but the biggest complaint I have about Blahaj is that you can’t see downvotes so the most controversial posts can look like the most agreed on takes.
That’s exactly the thing: bans for transphobia are often about non-transphobic speech. Not agreeing on specific subjects doesn’t mean one is transphobic. Thinking a cisgender person can have an opinion on laws or regulation regarding transgenders is not transphobia. Having your feelings hurt over an opinion while you are a trans doesn’t make it transphobia. Transphobia is hate speech.
Source: I have been instance-banned from blahaj on an older account. Maybe twice? Not sure. I’m not willing to share the accounts’ names, but I try to respect my instance bans. Don’t want to interact there anyways
spoiler
people will assume I’m transphobic because they know me better than myself, apparently
Hello 👋🏻 :D
Piefed social seems to be a good alternative.
dbzer0 is ostensibly an anarchist instance, but it is often the kind of anarchy which is cozy with tankies and is otherwise very attached to one particular brand of anarchism that aligns with a lot of the tankies’ anti-west, anti-enlightenment ideals.
anarchist’s often fall into the trap of being useful idiots for tankies because they both have the first step of tearing down current power structures.
happens all too often
Kronstadt, Russian Civil War, Mao
Speaking of, where’s kolektiva these days?
wat dat
Kolektiva.social. I block the whole instance if that gives any indication.
that explains why those people give me strange vibes.
Tankie Triad users have been known to make trolling accounts across instances to stir up trouble in this manner
Can confirm dbzer0 is full of nutters.
I haven’t run into much tankie activity in any of these places. Other than users from tankie servers dropping in.
Is there an example from slrpnk you would point to? I feel like people here sometimes get very tribalist and assume anyone criticizing liberal nations or institutions from the left must be a tankie, but that’s quite silly.
what’s slprnk all about anywho? looks cosy
It is! It’s supposed to be a more positive space for people to discuss solutions to tyranny and ecological problems, though as an online space there can generally still be some negativity. I still find it a mostly positive place. The sort of consensus ideology is libertarian socialism but any kind and respectful people are welcome, regardless of ideology.
curious if they’ll accept a radioactive goat
There is a lot of Anti-US posts.
Some are EU-flavored (which I’m fine with).
But then you have a lot of pro-PRC flavored types which is just cringe. Like “I’d rather trust China” or “I’m rooting for China against the US” some BS, like… ?!? 🧐
The EU is right there! Why choose China when you literally have a functional democracy elsewhere?
There’s just a covert (not that covert actually) operation trying to promote China as this some sort of beacon of prosperity, and some even start to belive that China has “free healthcare” like what lmao
Like… Anti-US post are fine, just don’t promote China as a replacement, its not any better.
i bet these people never actually live in china, or want to MOVE there, they just love to say it behind the screen. same goes with pro-russia tankies, probably living in places like the EU, canada,etc.
They’re primarily from the US, yeah.
Tankie ideology is very simple – US bad. That’s it.
EU is like “hooray we banned curved cucumbers!”, and china is like “we built 48,000 km of high speed rail in 2 decades”
I mean that’s because they didn’t have those before? Most of the EU already has had functioning rail systems since the introduction of trains. Also China is one country, while the EU is 27 separate entities. Ofc it can’t just wholesale upgrade the continent’s rail systems.
Like, I wish tankies would actually visit China instead of stating development statistics about the place. It’s a beautiful country with an amazing diversity of culture, language, and delicious food, but everything tankies repeat on here is sooooo clear in it’s Han/Mandarin/Beijing supremacy. Like literally they are spreading Han-Chinese propaganda as “communist” talking points.
Sorry, I wasn’t trying to troll you, and I should’ve been more verbose in my reply, I was just pointing out that comparing EU and China is a bit funny to me (as someone that lives in an EU country). Generally I’m not pro-authoritarian, but I can see things from a tankie perspective that they get shit done. Horrible society for free thinkers of course, no doubt about that.
“Shit get done”
I mean, I do acknowledge they have an impressive subway system that looks modern (at least that’s how I remembered Guangzhou. But everything else tho?
My mother told me she was worried about food safety (cuz the government doesn’t do shit abouy it), and apparantly there were a lot of child abductions in China (as a consequence of both the One Child Policy and that some people were infertile), building safety concerns 豆腐渣工程 (tofu dreg), income security, 地沟油 (people digging up oil from the sewers and used it as cooking oil on street venders). And also worker rights suck. Long hours, minimal pay, most people didn’t have any “union contract” with a lot of protections and benefits like many in the US does. Non-existent social safety net, even when compared to the US’s own lackluster welfare system, its still worse. Stupid “Hukou” system which mean my parents had to pay for school. Also, free school lunch doesn’t exist, I usually just walked home for 1st and 2nd grade (yes, I was that young lol, laws didn’t give a shit about unattended children lmao, I mean, its not like parents would have any time since they needed to be making money) to have lunch that my grandmother cooked. Then I walked backed to school again. I had to down and up the stairs like 3 times every day, and also you can accidentallly fall out the building if you climb over the concrete/cement barrier that’s like an adult’s waist heigh (it was probably 7 year old me’s shoulder height I think, I remember looking down from like the 5th floor and have intrusive thoughts / “call of the void” about jumping down).
My grandmother didn’t really have any “retirement” income like in the us, its basially just my parent supporting the grandparents. Like some money goes to the paternal family, some money goes to the maternal family. Yep that’s it. You don’t get a “SSI” or “Retirement Income”. Probably the main reason why my parents decided to violate the one child policy and gave birth to me; my mother always says she loves me or “世上只有妈妈好” (some lullaby thing that means “your mother (and they mean biological mother) is the only person in the world that is good”) and like idk wtf that’s supposed to mean… like does abusive mothers no exist? Sound like some filial piety indoctrination to make you be obedient, but the way I see it she only gave birth to me is because she has twice the income when she grows older and need me and my brother to support them (and also if one of us dies, she still has someone to provide their “retirement income”)
That tiny apartment unit was also the place where I had my first “adverse childhood event”. My older brother was trying to fight me and I got scared and I ran away from home, and the reason I got so scared is because my brother has already tied me up with fucking zipties once before; and after my mom found me, she told me that “I could’ve been kidnapped” and she blames me for it. BITCH I was a kid and scared and my brother was trying to beat me, WTF did you expect me do to? Still terrifying to think about, I hate thinking about China, bring up bad memories.
And also I have random existential crisis about the one child policy thing. There is a timeline where the government caught my mother and forced and abortion. So yea I just keep ruminating on the “what if” sceanrio. Like how the fuck am I alive, I wasn’t even supposed to exist. Idk what to think about that, maybe if I didn’t get born, I didn’t have to endure all this abuse.
TLDR: Never entering mainland China again. I dispise that place.
But that’s just it, it wasn’t “getting shit done”. A lot of the statistics released by the Chinese government are just uses of funds during their economic boom to appear productive by ministry heads for The Party’s favour. Of course the train lines were built, was it as expansive as reported? Who knows.
There have been several scandals within China over the last decade of CPC regional leadership getting executed or jailed over this exact issue. It doesn’t get reported outside of the country’s media widely because it gets suppressed even within the country except for the region the official was from. I was there during one such incident, that’s how I found out they still shoot people there for their death penalty 😀
Imperialism, late-stage capitalism, slave labour and cost-cutting certainly make construction fast.
Check out the 2007 Chinese slave scandal
Chinese infrastructure isn’t particularly built to last.
It’s called Tofu Buildings, and the Chinese government regularly suppresses media and the populace from finding out about the lacklustre building standards throughout China. Whenever there’s a building collapse China is quick to censor it, even posts calling for help to look for survivors.
Was the infamous “covid hospital” they built in like a day one of those tofu buildings?
ooo, what’s that?
Ah, it was 8 days not one, but definitely some propaganda fluff piece.
the triad is. Conservative ones seems to have been completely seperated from lemmy, and most people commenting with conservative views are easily blocked or reported. cons dont seem to have much effect on lemmy like they are on REDDIT and youtube.
.ml IS THE Largest of the triad, followed by lemmy grad and hexbear.
My instance doesn’t seem to be, at least.
Mine either, phew.
My instance only has like six users.
Mine has 2, but I’m not sure how active the other one is.
Not only .ml but not most of them
But then, it’s not just about the tankies. Most instances have their own definition of what is fine and what isn’t, and if you don’t believe what everyone else does, you’re going to get banned
its problematic when the instances are solely political based, and there are puritanical tests.
so, a lot of instances on lemmy
you’ll be the nazi, the fascist, the liberal, the tankie, the leftist, the transphobic, the woke… of a group, and they’ll hate you for it. You’re not one of those? Doesn’t matter, they’ll call you something because you don’t agree with them, and that will be their way of discrediting you
It’s bound to happen when the admin team contains at least one person that voices their opinions, unless they’re really willing to be open
This community is no exception.
Not really. A few years ago Lemmy was primarily based out of the dev’s servers, and then like beehaw and hexbear. So you could have struck that claim in like spring of 2023.
They were sort of the original instances that didn’t require an application to join. So a lot of communities started there.
But then the reddit API stuff happened and Lemmy exploded, relatively speaking. A whole slew of instances started up, and a whole lot of people entered the picture.
And, uh, the culture of Lemmy changed to say the least.