Donald Trump, at his first cabinet meeting, said he believed the US is negotiating “very successfully” with Russia and Ukraine.
The US president suggested that a ceasefire deal is close. “We’re going to make a deal with Russia and Ukraine to stop killing people,” he told reporters.
Asked if he is willing to make security guarantees as part of the deal, Trump replied:
I’m not going to make security guarantees beyond very much … We’re going to have Europe do that, because Europe is the next door neighbour.
He added that the US will be partnering with Ukraine “in terms of rare earth.” “We very much need rare earth, they have great rare earth,” Trump said.
Trump said it was “great deal for Ukraine too, because they get us over there, we are going to be working over there”.
If US can’t guarantee, then sell the raw earth to the EU instead or china, india.
Will the rare earth they send us be in a bucket? Like a paint bucket? Or even more rare like in a small envelope? Will it also be strange? Rare and strange? Or rare and weird? So many chooses!
Of course not. That would be against Putins commands.
The thing confusing me most is why Ukraine would trust any US’ “guarantee”, when they’ve been nothing but untrustworthy.
And people’s lives are not toys. I get the sentiment behind wanting less people to die. But Trump and Putin do think people’s lives are toys, so I can’t imagine the outcome of this being beneficial in any way to Ukraine.
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the reason they gave up their nuclear weapons was that it was an expensive and cumbersome responsibility that they had no practical use for outside of dirty bombs and terrorist tactics, as they didnt have the means to launch the missiles.
an often forgotten bit of information too, is that during this time, the USA was NOT friendly with Ukraine, the US Government did not Trust Ukraine an inch, and was not going to tolerate them to have nuclear weapons.
in 1991 the world went from having like 7 Nuclear states, to 10 all in the blink of an eye. and the 7 who were there before, wanted the new crowd removed immediatley from the club
The world treated the Russian Federation as if it was the replacement for the USSR, and Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan were not going to be tolerated keeping these weapons, if they did, they would have been treated like North Korea or Iran.
an expensive and cumbersome responsibility
Wait till they see how expensive and cumbersome fighting a war is…
What do you have to say about Ukrainians setting up defenses other than nukes?
I dont think the Ukrainians in 1991 thought that Russia was going to launch a full scale invasion against them in 2022.
even though they were seperate countries and nations, with a rocky history. Russia, Ukraine and Belarus mutually agreed to leave the Soviet Union as independent entities. I dont think they were anticipating a fascist heel turn in Russia so soon. Remember it was the Drunk Yeltsin in power at that time, Putin didnt come into the picture for another 5-8 years
Or maybe they play along hoping the next US election cycle allows them to join NATO.
Seems like the US has no leverage if we’re not offering anything.
The leverage is whatever they expect to happen if they are left to Russian interests
“Art of the Deal”
Ukraine wouldn’t last long with US support.
“They have great rare earth”
What a dumb fuck.
He talks like a very stupid root vegetable.
I could see how rare earth might be good for a root vegetable, at least.
I prefer root vegetables cooked medium (carrots) to well done (potatoes). Greens are excellent rare, though.
Made me chuckle, thanks
Maybe he was referring to this, though he’s Canadian (the son of astronaut Chris Hadfield, though great in his own right).
So why should anyone listen to what the US says anyway?
As for NATO membership in particular, all NATO members need to accept new members…
But the EU has a similar clause to help with military invasions, so the US support isn’t strictly needed for security.
NATO will not see any new members again.
the Alliance is more or less defunct as there are trojan horses in it like Hungary, and America’s refusal to honor Article 5 is an open secret now.
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What nations should they listen to instead?
Their own mostly. Countries don’t have country buddies.
Ukraine is going to renuclearize
No, it’s not.
Right. Germany, Poland, Italy and Ukraine are. And the EU is going to federalise
The EU is more likely to dissolve than to federalize.
Zelenskyy would probably get more support from his people if he told trump to get fucked than by being his dancing monkey. I know he’s desperately trying to do what’s best for Ukraine, but sucking up to that piece of shit isn’t it.
Zelenskyy would probably get more support from his people if he told trump to get fucked
Oh how I wish this was true but a lot of Ukrainians are so weary they really just want the war to end and are frustrated with Zelensky. Believe me not everyone has the moral high ground or integrity, many, many just want him to make any kind of deal, no matter how big the insult and humiliation are.
(“Moral high ground” and “integrity” are very heavy words in this context. Right now, after just watching the argument, I am a bit speechless and can’t find better words. But please know that I do not want to refer to these people as having no integrity, morals, ideals, etc. They are desperate and have lost so much I can’t even put it in words.)
That’s a good point and thanks for the perspective. Of course I don’t know what it’s like for anyone in Ukraine at the moment, and I can understand the desperation. But trump is a thug, and a wannabe gangster. He will burn all of Ukraine if he thinks it will benefit him. His word is worthless, and so is any deal with the US. Every world leader knows that, it’s just so frustrating that none will stand up and say it, they just keep treating him like a legitimate president when he’s so clearly not.
I get the impression Trump has no clue what’s going on. He’s just just regurgitating bullet points that someone—probably Putin—put in large print on a piece of paper.
That’s what he’s always done.
He has the attention span of a toddler. He latches onto ideas, and specifically things that will satisfy his ego, his greed or his lust, with a laser focus, for exactly and only so long as they manage to hold his attention.
And at the same time, he has essentially no conception of objective truth. It’s not quite that he lives in a fantasy world as that his need to satisfy his ego, greed and/or lust is so much his focus that everything else pales in comparison, including truth.
So he essentially sincerely says whatever he thinks will serve to accomplish whatever it is that he’s focused on at the moment. It’s not so much that he lies as that he doesn’t really make a distinction between truth and lies. The only meaningful measure of a claim is whether or not it will serve his goals.
And all of that means that a smart, canny and manipulative man - Putin, for instance - can get him pointed in whatever direction he wants by feeding him the right bait and the right bullet points to go along with it.
Exactly. This became very obvious after his meeting with Russia, he just started repeating their talking points without any critique. He has zero plan or strategy, just chasing feelings and vibes to feed his giant ego.
It’s not so much that he lies as that he doesn’t really make a distinction between truth and lies. The only meaningful measure of a claim is whether or not it will serve his goals.
Been saying this for years. The man literally can’t tell a lie, everything that comes out of his mouth is the truth. I don’t think many people have been around someone that’s full-on Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).
And yes, once you figure out that’s his disorder, he’s as easy to manipulate as a toddler. Also been saying since he won the election, his handlers are in charge this time and it couldn’t be more obvious. Look at his Truth Social posts for one example. They’re far more clear and focused, easily written by someone imitating him. Any one of us could do it.
Krasnov does what he is TOLD.
Did anyone expect anything else from Krasnov?
Zelenskyy, it’s a trap! Trump does not give a shit about Ukraine!
I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest that Zelenskyy probably isn’t stupid enough to not be aware of that already.
Considering Zelenskyy said out loud that Trump lives in a disinformation bubble, it’s a safe bet that he’s aware.
At this point he’s probably just buying time. He knows the US will abandon them, but probably needs to give the EU time to sort out their finances.
Trump trades alliances for slogans; NATO isn’t a casino, and Ukraine isn’t a poker chip.
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FFS I’m just so tired of that orange bastard, get your shit together USA, isn’t this why you have that second amendment???
Unfortunately, most Americans either support this moron or just don’t care.
I’m sorry. We’re a very broken society.
I’m beginning to suspect that US society is so insane, that people go insane living there.
The stress from the constant lies and gaslighting, and the pressure of poor health and social services, the bigotry and discrimination, and a fundamentally flawed democracy. I seriously think these things combined make people crazy. There is no country I know of, that have such a degree of outright insane politicians.
There are also stellar Americans, that are world class good people, but unfortunately good people are a minority, and it must be hell for them right now.
Seems to me USA may be the worst society to live in now, among all developed countries.It varies wildly depending on where you live. Remember that the US is a huge country.
Yes, exactly. Although you also must understand the US is the size of Europe and is about 3/4th it’s population. The differences between California, Florida and Texas are as wide as Germany, Greece and Poland (maybe not culturally but… Actually no, fuck it, yes even culturally lol).
The biggest problem is, on paper our federal government should be closer in power to your E.U. but in practice, 200 years have expanded feds and now we’re in a hostage situation. Imagine your own neighboring countries having 80% control over your country for 4-8 years every 4-8 years; it’s fucking awful. Oh, it’s Greece’s turn to run the economy? Fucking great.
200 years have expanded feds and now we’re in a hostage situation.
Absolutely, although I’m disappointed UK chose Brexit, I very much favor their right to do so. I believe the ability to leave helps prevent EU overreach.
Yeah, sounds about right.
good times make for weak men.
That’s the funny thing. Times are hard as shit - but we’re stuck with all these weak ass greedy boomers.
The boomers grew up in good times.
Also with lots of lead.
got close once.
Not the first time Melania was disappointed by two inches.
The US has already devalued being a member of NATO.
