I am writing this question because Musk did a Nazi salute, and after asking lemmy about it, and seeing the side by side video, and his seemingly mild response to people notixing it, I belive it was a Nazi salute.
So the “now what?” is in response to what seems like a tepid reaction from society.
Will Ameeica become even more unsafe for even more minorities?
Are people organizing or have they lost hope? should there be an organized boycott on Teslas or companies that spend money on twitter? Would it even matter?
Is this unstoppable and it actually makes more sense to flee?
Can y’all quit turning his name into a dog whistle
It’s more like a Bat Signal
That’s literally the problem, you’re literally calling for violence.
And…?
…and you question the circumspection exercised in the past few days?
yeah! we can find historical evidence for other ways we’ve overcome Nazis before!
… wait
It’s a good thing Brian Thompson wasn’t a Nazi then, now isn’t it?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK
Go right on ahead and achieve a peaceful revolution to abate the suffering of the masses at the hands of malicious powers. A great many are waiting.
Luigi didn’t even try anything peaceful, so that’s not a good excuse for him.
In WW2, the Allies defeated nazi germany by having peace talks, right? Right?
(/s in case the sarcasm isn’t obvious enough 🙄)
It’s a good thing Brian Thompson wasn’t a Nazi then, now isn’t it?
I think killing Elon Musk isn’t going to solve anything but either way I don’t care about calling for violence against him. I only care about making the name Luigi and the game character dog whistles. Let’s not turn random people and the game character into the next Pepe.
Fascists coopting a meme to spread racism and overall bigotry is not at all the same as leftists using Luigi as a dog whistle to signal violence towards oppressors. Its like equating the far right and the far left. The far left want equality for all, and the far right want to fucking commit genocide. They are not equivocal at all.
Bold of people to call Brian Thompson, and by extension anyone who leans politically towards money, oppressors.
In my whole adult life, on either side of the political spectrum, I haven’t seen any major figure in power in the US ever imply anything about wanting to commit genocide.
A dog whistle is supposed to obfuscate meaning, everyone knows what this means.
How about “eat the rich”? “The French solution”? “2A?” It’s all the same.
Why? I doubt he minds and it seems like a good way to actually put fear into rich people.
Simply for being rich?
I second this question. It went from “we should do something about all the greedy billionaires” to “we should eliminate all the greedy billionaires” to “they’re all greedy” to now “let’s lump them and fascists and fascism together” when Luigi’s intent wasn’t actually noble in the first place.
I’m surprised nobody sees the irony in criticizing one such invocation with another.
Memes should be fine. Advocating justice is fine. But entertaining the concept of indiscriminate death based on a loose/flawed connection to the definition of murder or theft, and then complaining that what the government is doing isn’t protected by the same freedoms as what you dismiss as freedom of speech? Due process is a thing for a reason.
For starters, Luigi could have performed a lawsuit. He didn’t even try.
Being upset that a normal person didn’t try suing UHC is like blaming a dog for not using a crosswalk signal.
The general populace does not have the training, or access to the money and expertise to successfully sue a multi billion dollar pillar of the corrupt healthcare system. It certainly is less accessible than a bullet.
Except Luigi Mangione isn’t a dog (nor is he the general populace, who could have sued as well, as shown by the amount of lawsuits sent to entities like fast food giants), he’s a human being who in fact was born into a higher position of wealth than Brian Thompson and who, opposite to dog-like fashion, plotted a cross-country murder over a period of months when he would have made the same statement with a lawsuit, especially given his wealthy family origins.
Not that the inability to sue excuses murder; there are a few avenues people could have taken, and Brian Thompson did not make himself deserve murder in the first place, not least because the issue wouldn’t necessarily have even been his doing.
Did you just cite some spam website as a source why not to support a based man? lol
No, I cited something listing the most sensible reasons. Not sure how any of it is “spam” either.
Billionaires fell over themselves to be a part of Trump’s second inauguration. The connection to fascism is right in front of you.
Billionaires all over the world =/= all billionaires =/= Trump =/= fascist =/= all of Trump’s supporters
This whole thing on the other end of this debate/ordeal is turning into an embarrassing stretch.
Feel free to join them Mr. Bootlicker. I’m sure they will have your best interests at heart. Lol
Some might. All billionaires are different. Brian Thompson himself is actually a good example of this, as he joined the company hoping to improve its relationship with people. It was current events that caused a small number of unfortunate circumstances which led to a guy who wasn’t insured with them in the first place to indiscriminately attack him.
And that’s Miss Bootlicker to you.
Does your husband or brother know your on the Internet? /S I couldn’t hear you with that boot in your mouth. Do you have any idea of how much a billion is?
Yes, a billion is one followed by nine zeroes. Nothing in the number necessitates only theft can achieve it, especially in instances when someone’s living takes place in or deals with the public sector.
It should be noted the Mangiones were deeper in the wealth game than Thompson. Yet nobody ever hears anyone say they’re guilty of theft. Resorting to jabs like not being able to hear someone over having a boot in their mouth (I encourage getting one’s hearing checked if they hear a boot) in order to support someone from a rich family ending the life of someone of a lesser origin with similar intentions who was given the position second-hand, all ironically in the name of wealth, especially when a lawsuit would’ve done the trick, seems more like the inclination to blind support that Luigi’s critics are accused of.
I meant in tangible terms. How much time is a million seconds? How much time is a billion seconds? Or the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is? Or the fact that you hide behind paperwork and morally grey laws doesn’t make you any less of a killer and if your leadership, direction, and decisions lead to the death of 1000s of your countryman you are a traitor and a mass murderer. Nobody cries when the mob boss gets whacked. Maybe his wife, and the toadies. Ya dig?
That’s the thing. Laws don’t define murder, ethics do. To put it in technical terms, causing the end of one’s life, when unnecessary, amounts to consequentialism as it’s a form of escalation. Actual self-defense, as in something like killing a bank robber whom there is reason to believe will murder someone, is not escalation, since the same level of threat has already entered the picture. If anything, Thompson’s bureaucrats (so not even Thompson himself, since the CEO does not make every decision, with the CEO’s before him from whom he would have gotten his wealth making maybe a few dozen dollars an hour according to the estimated math of 1000000000 ÷ 10 x 8 x 7 x 52 x 50, which is not unrealistic for a medical association, especially given you encompass more than a single measly role when in charge), unlike an actual mob boss who would be engaging in actual murder (which describes a lot of Luigi’s supporters), had committed a form of denial, not action, based on things foreshadowed by contract between professional and client, neither of which was Luigi, whose notes carried with him would seem to imply it was for positive recognition as opposed to justice anyways, all while the fingers start pointing not just to the person Luigi’s supporters accuse of murder but now everyone who even politically leans towards the concept of money, as well as the individuals at the McDonald’s where he was caught, who were review-bombed and threatened because of the moral illness plaguing the souls of the hardcore supporters, which many treat as par for the course.
Those claims regarding his nobility are pretty weak tea. Almost completely just slight expansions on the claim “killing the CEO was wrong.”
Edit: Very Serious Counterpoint List of Arguments
The list doesn’t sound serious at all.
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You do know that’s not a reliable source, right? Anyone could add an excuse to the list. There’s a button right on the page. It doesn’t ask for evidence to support it, just an opinion.
And the topic is so incredibly leading that the only reason you’d be on that page is if you’re looking for reasons to support an opinion you already had.
Half of them come from the Dateline Tonight episode surrounding Luigi.
It is unimpeachably reliable! Top 10 vote lists are infallible.