• neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    11 hours ago

    What’s the deal with Ed Sheeran? I keep hearing people hating on him the past day or two but I have not seen any reason why.

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      The venues hosting his tours kicked Macklemore out for supporting Palestine. He wouldn’t take a stand and all of his supporting bands, including his backing band quit.

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      Had to look it up. She’s Jewish and has that mistaken belief that the Israeli government = all Jews everywhere.

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        Legit question, why the fuck do people seem to think government = a people? Like I fucken hate the English government, aristocracy, and royalty to the point I want to purge it but that doesn’t mean I want to exterminate the English as a whole. Is this a side effect of nation states? Or is it moreso a result of Israel in particular? Because I feel like I had folks accuse me of racism over hating certain governments and countries before namely N Korea, S Korea, and Russia but I don’t know if thats dishonesty or not.

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          Israel has a few factors that intensify this particular effect. Their government playing into it constantly is certainly part of it. Also, Jewish people made up notable minorities in many countries, but majorities in zero, between about 586 BCE and 1948 CE. The insular nature of those minority communities made them an easy scapegoat for a lot of groups for those ~2500 years, so a lot of cultural significance was put into the perceived need to be a majority somewhere. Unfortunately, a lot of people don’t want to get rid of the boot, they just want to be the ones wearing it.

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    Gonna say a pretty popular opinion on here and get down voted to hell, but I don’t care about fake interest points.

    While I do agree with the general sentiment on here, I get incredibly tired of this mob mentality. It’s like if you have any minority opinion you’re treated like some evil piece of shit.

    Yeah, I don’t agree with Ed Sheeran, but Jesus Christ he doesn’t need to be black listed into oblivion because of one unpopular opinion. Does anyone even know WHY he has that opinion? I doubt there’s a single person on here who doesn’t have some unpopular opinion about something, and if you don’t, you are full of shit and just parroting the most popular opinions around you so you fit in.

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      Well maybe he can let trump use his music instead of the village people. Seeing those two like killing children who have nothing to do with geo politics

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      black listed into oblivion

      Meanwhile, the one who actually got blacklisted was Macklemore, while Ed Sheeran has a whole tour ahead of him.

      If people don’t want to go to his tours because of his shitty behavior, tough shit.

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      if you have any minority opinion

      I dare you to come up with a version of this where someone got canceled for “any minority opinion.”

      Supporting a genocidal regime isn’t just “any” opinion, it’s a pretty fuckin’ big one.

      Yeah, I don’t agree with Ed Sheeran, but Jesus Christ he doesn’t need to be black listed into oblivion because of one unpopular opinio

      …has Sheeran been blacklisted? It sure sounds like everyone with actual power is fully supportive of him.

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      I don’t think it’s about popularity of opinions. Popularity of opinions vary with context, Sheeran would have received an ovation if he did that shit in Israel, but that’s not it. I’m tired of the mob mentality too. Nevertheless, the issue is moral, and in this case, ethical. Even ethics change with context, but on things like genocide, it is pretty much universal. It’s not even about his opinions about Gaza, it’s about him revealing this network of people and entities that simply do not think a genocide is happening, because they don’t think Israel is killing actual people, actual children.

      Whatever happens with Sheeran, as long as it’s legal, I don’t care. I don’t want him killed, but rescinding contracts is legal. Also, I didn’t care about him before, now I think he is a coward.

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      I couldn’t agree with you more. I posted a similar comment on the music post about this and boy oh boy, it was an avalanche of downvotes and I was supporting genocide.

      To me the whole thing is blown way out of proportion and that was my point. Nothing to do with the issue itself, just to the strong overreaction, fed now by the media and bots.

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      Can I please say, why are we, the proletariat, even giving this controversy attention?

      We all watched how the Epstein files were released and not a single person is facing actual punishment from it.

      Macklemore is an opening act and is not why people were buying tickets for this tour. (Was he relevant? Did people really pay for this tour because of him? Now he’s got attention from Palestine sympathizers who might give him actual attention his next album).

      America is by and large apathetic to Gaza or doesn’t even know the conflict exists. Half of us don’t know what exists outside of our own communities.

      Macklemore gets a pat on the back for saying “what’s right.”, Sheeran gets a boost in ticket sales because now his tour over multiple stadiums, is plastered on the front page of every news aggregator. Live Nation makes bank off of everyone involved here.

      And Robert Kraft is probably cackling to the bank about how we are all eating out of the palm of his boss’s hands.

      With no one going after him, only Sheeran, the elite win again.

      For all I know, Macklemore and Sheeran were both powerless to their actual opinions on any of this.

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    I’m out of the loop on this and I don’t want to look it up, I’d rather ask here and have one of you fill me in.

    Edit: I’m grateful for everyone who replied.

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      Macklemoore was opening for Ed Sheeran on his tour, and took some time in his set to speak out in favour of not genociding Palestinians, including clarifying statements that he wasn’t blaming Jews in general, just specifically the state of Israel.

      The owner of many of Sheeran’s tour venues phoned him and said he needed to change his opening act or he’d be barred from performing at venues owned by the same company and several other venue-owners who’d agreed to join the threat. Sheeran caved, despite the fact that some of the tour dates were too soon to plausibly book a replacement capable of filling the venues, and Sheeran being a massive ticket-seller in general, so it likely being a bluff.

      P!nk retweeted a message from a pro-Israeli organisation accusing Macklemoore of extreme and vile antisemitism, then when called out for it, doubled down with direct accusations of Macklemoore being an antisemite and wanting to harm Jews.

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          I’m Jewish. I’m not religious. I’ve studied a fair amount about Jewish, Abrahamic, and Judeo-Christian history, scripture, and culture. I am by no means an expert, but I’ve forgotten more about these religions than most people ever bother to learn.

          Armed with this knowledge, I’m ready to make an assessment:

          • P!NK is a bad Jew.
          • Any pro-genocide Jew is a bad Jew.
          • Any Jew who calls people antisemitic for criticizing military actions is a bad Jew.
          • Any Jew who compares humans to animals and uses xenophobia to justify marginalization is a bad human.
          • Any Jew who uses comparisons to animals as justification for extermination is a bad person.
          • Any Jew who condemns children instead of reaching out to them is a bad person and is not paying attention.
          • Any Jew who celebrates the extermination of entire families, bystanders, and civilians needs to examine their entire life while literally eating a brick.
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              That’s probably true, but there are no scriptures regulating how to be a person that I can use to substantiate that claim. Whereas I can point directly to where God yelled at the Jewish slaves for singing and dancing after God forced himself to drown all those Egyptian aggressors¹.

              ¹ ^citation needs citation^

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            I hate that criticism of Israeli foreign or domestic policies has been equated with a criticism of judeusm and Jewish people as a whole.

            There are definitely Jewish people in Israel who disagree with their governments actions. Same as every country.

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              My family sure isn’t in that group and I’m so fucking pissed at them. We lost dozens of family members in the Holocaust, passed down our stories for, like, 2 generations, and then said “fuck it, the real problem was that we didn’t get to be the Nazis.”

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            Another one for the list:

            Any jew who forgets that they’re not the only semitic pepple and cries antisemitism for themselves but not the Palestinians is a bad jew.

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              I did as I began to editorialize a bit more, but in just examining “what does Judaism say makes a good Jew,” there are enough relatively black or white assessments that a good/bad value can be assigned. My opinions on whether or not someone is a good person is probably less hurtful to Nazionists than “your scriptures around which you’ve built your identity say that you’re doing it wrong, and anecdotally, God hates you.”

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                  I dunno, I once heard an old congregant at my mom’s synagogue say, “maybe it’s time we admit that Hitler had a few good ideas” referencing rumors that Palestine was going to be turned into a concentration camp.

                  If you’re a gentile, though, maybe try a phrase more like, “the Torah is full of tragedies for people who say stupid shit like that.”

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          And please don’t talk to me like I’ve never stood up for my beliefs when it was unpopular. In the middle of the Gulf War in 2006 I put out a song called “Dear Mr. President” and sang it every night on tour while my country was in a war I didn’t support,

          And now I’m standing up for my own people,

          Translation: “my country” = America, “my own people” = genocidal Zionists. Great take. I’m sure all the dead women and children in Palestine would be so proud of you.

          For real, how does everyone in the media bother to feign such cognitive dissonance all the time? When someone says they’re against the war in Iran, does that mean they want to kill all Americans?

          Who falls for this shit? Zionists need to find something better than playing the victim card 24/7.

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            At some stage they really do start to think the world revolves around them.

            Double fuckup because she has essentially equated Jews with Zionists and crybabies.

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            when it was unpopular

            Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t pinks exact brand that she was edgy and counterculture? And didn’t Eminem get quite a lot of success with Mosh and White America? If so I don’t quite see how courageous she was, standing up against Bush

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                That was truly an incredible moment in history. One of the first times that I noticed cracks in the facade of “conservative values.”

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                  I remember thinking it mostly showed how sexist country fans can be. No one said shit when Johnny Cash was openly against the Vietnam War…

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          I’m kind of with you in that pink’s positions off but I can’t quite put my finger in why it’s off brand. It definitely feels off brand but I honestly can’t articulate it.

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        The owner of many of Sheeran’s tour venues

        -I think it’s important to name Robert Kraft as the root douche

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        The relation to James Charles is someone confused him for her, he replied with “free Palestine”.

        He’s still a predator though.

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      Ed Sheeran has tour, one of the openers is Macklemore. Macklemore makes pro-palestinian comment.

      Robert Kraft, owner of the Patriots NFL team, and its stadium, Gillete, made an ultimatum and coerced the other venues to join him to remove Macklemore from the tour.

      Given the choice, Ed Sheeran dropped Macklemore, and at a later time, several of his other openers have dropped from the tour. Pink is one of the artists to chose to stick around.

      Sheeran is claiming neutral, but when the two options presented are kick macklemore out to use the stadium, or keep macklemore, you cannot be considered apolical if you choose either. He chose the first, therefore is political, even if he doesnt necessarily agree with it.

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        I appreciate the reply, and have formed an opinion that pretty much aligns with the other sensible people here.

        I also hope Robert Kraft steps on a Lego. Made of nails. That gives him tetanus. And contains wasps. And sharks. And explodes.

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          I remember when he stepped on a lego and it hurt so bad he jumped up and down and hopped on one foot right into an intimate massage parlor and his credit card fell out of his pocket and he paid to exploit sex traffic victims.

          Good times. What a nanny set of circumstances.

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        at a later time, several of his other openers have dropped from the tour

        The biggest news of who dropped from the tour is Ed Sheeran’s band.

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      Macklemore was opening for Ed Sheeran and made a statement in support of Palestine. Pink reposted some Instagram story demanding he apologize, and Ed Sheeran didn’t defend Macklemore when the guy who owns most of the venues on the tour demanded he be dropped.

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    is that James Carles(i probably made a typo here,and one of their aliases is Pink) on the right?