Im a tech guy. In the last week, I have received 4 cold calls about new positions and a couple more emails. This month ive seen more anecdotal hiring going on in my friend group. Is there something going on? I’m not looking, haven’t updated my linkedin in years etc…etc…

For the past year, hiring in software development has been dismal and all of a sudden im seeing a huge spike.

Anyone else seeing this or am I just cherry picking?

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    Word on the web is that big tech is clueing in that AI isn’t cheaper or better without at minimum intermediate level developers baby sitting it.

    I’d love to believe they’re also recognizing the skills gap between people entering the industry and what the industry requires is only going to be solved by them hiring and training up entry level people. Sure would love to believe it…

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      My area has bitten the bullet and is finally hiring new entry level programmers and teaching them. It’s like for the last 15 years they were just hoping skilled programmers would get cheaper

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        Does it count to teach them ai? I’ve had this guy in India, working for me on and off for a couple years now. He’s really bright and was coming along nicely … then ai hit

        His first like 6 months of ai use were horrible. Absolute junk that harmed the code more than made progress. My code reviews were brutal.

        But he figured it out. He’s a heavy ai coder but it works. My code reviews rarely find issues anymore. It’s too early to know about maintainability, but his code looks good to me

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          No, we’re not allowed to use AI for any design documents or code

          Give it a while though and I’m sure that’ll change

          People are begging for LLM use in analysis, design, build, and test

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            Yeah, I do worry about that too. LLMs are good about putting together a professional looking document but they also tend to be verbose and with vague wording. I’m on a project now suffering because the design was really not reviewable. Now we’re trying to work on it and it’s really obvious the design was all bs

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        They actually expected gen-z would just pick up coding naturally because they grew up with smartphones. Peak boomer logic.

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      That training gap doesn’t show up on this quarter’s balance sheet, so it isn’t worth addressing.

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        Pretty much.

        I have nothing but calls for violence towards the epstein-shareholder class. Can’t reform 'em.

        They’re fucking our kids either way.

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      I wonder if its in direct reaction to:

      1. Token price increasing (AI is more expensive than last year)
      2. More AI projects need more human maintenance
      3. More automation means more people that need to maintain said automation
      4. Inflation and computers increasing in price ironically make it more expensive for everything including labor. Which makes margins smaller for companies. Companies that would have made money with less labor costs find themselves paying extensive SaaS/automation/etc… costs.
      5. People using AI may be more expensive because…they use AI on the company dime.

      Just a couple of ideas floating in my head. I am kinda neutral to AI in general. Its like a hammer to me just a tool. Good at the small scale stuff but proven pretty terrible on the maintenance side. At work AI got expensive causing management to rethink the AI strategy. Again I may be cherry-picking, but it sure feels like the above is true.

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        More AI projects need more human maintenance

        So this is key here and it might still be up in the air. I’m generally skeptical and up until July rarely considered ai worthwhile. Even when it had good ideas, it could never deliver.

        Then in July everything changed. I’m “vibe coding” despite myself, and so far it’s working. The difference is greenfield, common programming languages, common problems, much less code complexity. The long run is where we’ll see if we shoot ourselves, but there’s clearly characteristics where AI has more of a chance to succeed.

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          Sounds good let me know how it goes. Its been 2 years for us and while the initial projects were somewhat vibe coded. Theres just more software doing things so ironically it means much more work for us.

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        Token price increasing (AI is more expensive than last year)

        Still far too cheap. In my company the cutoff is $200/month. If you want more, you have to brag ask over slack. So everyone knows who is using more, how many they are, and it’s a pretty’s small percentage

        That sounds like a lot , but not really, relative to a developer salary

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        I worked for several years in gmi(gross margin improvement), basically cost cutting. People are cheap. In general most workers are 60k-100k total compensation. The best ways were 1. Cut time per product made, make it quicker to make your product so you can make more. 2. Decrease downtime, both periodic maintenance and unexpected issues 3. In house vs outsource stuff. You need some plastic piece, it might be cheaper to outsource if you don’t have the machines and expertise to do it well. 4. Increase yield and monitor yield.

        None of this involves cutting jobs. Most will give higher return in savings than cutting jobs.

        For example we had a process that had a 87% yield. We got new fixtures for about $50k. Yield went to 99%. Saved just under a million per year. Same jobs, no one was let go. The only downside to the workers was by increasing yield, with similar quantity required, there was less need for overtime and some people like that for the extra money. But also additional savings for company which we were not allowed to claim credit for.

        People over estimate the cost of workers in total cost of product.

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          This is true for companies. What if a specific department is told to cut costs, and their only expenses are like…contracts and personnel?

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            This happens a lot in (US)healthcare. The different “departments” are actually functional different companies, so most of the companies are recording losses because they are nothing but the workers. This is how a bunch of companies went to the us govt during COVID claiming they had no money and were moments from bankruptcy.

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        I think you’re pretty on point.

        EoD the subscriptions aren’t generating an ROI. I could see companies justifying losses in the 1st year and not accepting it will never be viable until after 2 fiscal years is the red.

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          Id love to see the breakdown. I remember seeing some big tech companies that are taking on more liabilities right now and profits are temp down last quarter. At least the BIG companies.