You’re referring to quantum effects? Don’t worry about whether you’re not watching, the universe is watching. If one photon is emitted from the thing in a quantum state and hits anything, that’s the observation

That’s medicine. Science just sees it as a problem to be sorted by good study design and statistics

Most people believe red painkillers work better than other colours. Because of that when painkillers are tested, red ones work better (and red placebos also). You might find the placebo effect of red painkillers effective

IPA usually means “fruity flavour” now. IPAs haven’t been bitter in the last few years, much to my disappointment; I really like old style IPA.

Old style IPA also is good but it’s nothing like what IPA means now

IPA used to (and still does in some places and to some people) high alcohol (6 to 8%), low malt flavour, very bitter, no hop flavour

It was made for export to India (hence the name) in the age of sail, they believed the hop bitters and alcohol would make it last long enough for the 3 month trip plus however long it took to be sold.

Wheat was the first farmed plant, about 10k years ago, at least the first we can see in the archaeological record. I shouldn’t have said “bread” as that was at least hundreds of years later

I’m not sure whether the Nile region invented bread before they exported farming

Thanks for the long reply, it’s been an enjoyable conversation, even if we didn’t convince each other :)

When humanity discovered bread it made their heads and brains smaller. We all need dental work because of bread - our heads are too small for our teeth.

Wouldn’t they do it like birds?

Be aware that it’s not always true that seasons are opposite between northern and southern hemispheres, Australian seasons start 1 December (summer), 1 March (autumn), 1 June (winter), 1 September (Spring); Europe and America change on the solstice or equinox 20 or 21 days later

1 seems to be a population comment.

If 2 is correct, how are the permaculture farms I get meat from increasing the carbon stored in their soil? Does your fod come from permaculture farms?

3 isn’t true unless the animals were raised in the same area, which they often are not.

4 I’m in a meat eating community which was often trolled by people. The vegan studies they shared were not convincing, they were predominately based on for frequency questionnaires, that’s why I’m not convinced. Do you know of any RCTs or even just well controlled studies? They’re unfortunately not common enough for diet - they have trouble randomly assigning someone to a diet for long enough to make a difference

Googling for Sydney diet heart study gives you an at-first-glance correct AI summary of that test. It was suppressed in the '70s when the data was collected, but accidentally found and republished using modern statistic techniques in 2013. You haven’t heard of it because it says margarine is more dangerous than butter

This is the paper if the summary isn’t enough: https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8707

Would you expect a carnivore dieter to be most at risk from heart disease? The sporty carnivores have cholesterol 5x the upper edge of the guidance. This worried one enough to raise money, start a research foundation, and fund some research. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2772963X2400303X the AI summary isn’t good on this, it didn’t get the 2024 update.

5. Meat is expensive compared to plants and fungus kilo for kilo, you ought to be happy.

If you get night blindness, urgently start supplementing retinol (vitamin A) people who previously ate meat have about a 5 year supply stored in their fat, I guess obese people have much more, but I doubt there are many obese vegans; I don’t think there are obese carnivores either, except those who have only just started it in order to lose weight

I don’t think your choice is significantly worse than mine for someone who can afford supplementation. I’m sure just like in carnivore people talk about all the health problems that are caused by the current terrible common food but are fixed by the diet change.

1. Grass does take up a huge area. What would you do with that area considering it’s too dry or too infertile to grow anything other than grass, and it can only manage grass when there’s animals fertilising it
2. Any grass eating animal makes methane. Rot on idle land makes methane. If all the cows were killed deer would equal their biomass quickly. Cows are managed and there are plans for modifying their microbiome to completely process their food to CO2. This is the same weight of carbon that the grass regrows. Methane effectually breaks down to CO2 so castle are carbon neutral, but the time as methane is a problem
3. Animal welfare. Indeed a long list. I would love to see many types of animal agriculture banned. Some are far too cruel for a wealthy nation
4. I don’t believe you.
5. I’m not saying everyone must eat only meat, and lots of it. Why should I be restricted from what you can’t afford?

It is necessary to eat animals of you wish to thrive and do not wish to take supplements. Look up the list of what vegans sold supplement to be healthy; it’s a much longer list than a person on a mixed diet

Mixed diet required supplements:

; empty list

Vegan required supplement list:

• Vitamin B12
• Vitamin D (unless you produce enough cholesterol and get enough sunlight)
• Long chain omega 3 fatty acids
• Iron
• Calcium
• Zinc
• Iodine

According to https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-supplements-for-vegans#6-Zinc

I would add creatine to the list, since it’s seeming more and more important and only occurs in meat.

Funny that herbivores don’t need supplementation, but we do, even though we can eat so many different plants than most herbivores.

They believe that after a short time on antibiotics the bacteria that have not yet died have some resistance to the antibiotics. So it’s better to take more and kill them all so the ones a little resistant can’t live on to become very resistant. There is newer research that suggests this practice is not optimal though.

I’d try one of the big Linuxes, such as Ubuntu, they often are more compatible than other Linuxes. Have you tried searching for “Linux on HP spectre” to see if there’s any special configuration required

That’s true now, but Murphy actually said “if there’s two ways of doing something people will do it wrong every time”

What can go wrong will go wrong was Finagle’s law until Murphy came along with a better name for a similar rule

But Murphy’s rule was better before as it gave a solution: ensure there’s only one way to do a thing

Murphy was a test subject for acceleration tests on rocket sleds. One run was ruined as all the accelerometers had been plugged in the wrong way, so no acceleration data was collected

At least not the animals that are fed modified food. It’s no reason to not eat grass fed animals

Humans with the tools we had twenty thousand years ago could kill any land animal

Was it Sagan who said that to bake a cake from scratch you first need to create a universe?

There is some evidence that autism is a combination of hereditary natural variation and diet

The evidence of diet is many anecdotes that some ancient food diets make autistic children less autistic (moves them closer to neurotypical)

It isn’t really equivalent. GM by gene editing is precise and quick; GM by selective breeding and deliberate mutation is slow and random

I wonder if anyone will ever work out what genes make good apples. It would save so much random breeding