If it is malware then harshness is justified, but I’d be willing to debate over the strict definition of malware and whether it technically applies here.
But I don’t think most of the harshness we’ve seen is actually borne of that kind of outrage. Even the OP of this meme says they are not upset and are having a wonderful time.
I never said it’s strictly malware, I said borderline malware. It can’t be strictly malware because most definitions of malware focus on the malware taking (some or full) control of the system or extracting valuable information, things that generally pose as a direct threat of damage to the end user or system.
But restricting user access to information without the user knowing information is being restricted and taking deliberate steps to hide this is being done in the first place is all malicious behavior. If you asked from a layman if this should be considered malware behavior or not most people would consider this malware behavior, hence borderline malware.
And I don’t see how it not being “strictly malware” would change anything. People are outraged by what it is doing and how it is doing it, not by whether it fits the strict definition of malware.
The current reactions you’re seeing aren’t just about the software, it’s also about the person.
This very meme is about that person doubling down on their misguided belief that they have the right to dictate who is allowed to be visible on the fediverse. Then there’s attempts to twist the narrative by claiming the knowledge of this list was always public (in case it needs to said, a block list deliberately omitted from the git and having the code inject it later from a completely different source means deliberate steps were taken to try and hide the existence of the list). And finally there’s also the directed attack to ddos the instance that discovered this list, where the attack vector are unknowing users who read his manifesto on his site.
If we were to just look at the malicious use of the software then yeah, you could make an argument it’s been taken too far. But when you factor in the god complex and continued retaliation by the developer I don’t think we’re at a point where people are overreacting.
Yeah. That’s what I mean by melodramatic. The situation is not actually that serious. If this situation is the worst thing to happen to you this week then I’d say you had a good week.
Don’t you find that to be dismissive? I mean if we’re already deciding for the people who valid their feelings are we could also say the response hasn’t been that harsh because it’s only harassment, it’s not like there’s been an actual murder attempt on the developer. Maybe the developer should also stop being melodramatic?
Or you know, maybe have some empathy and understand that different people can have different emotional reactions to the same thing. I can understand where you’re coming from because I don’t really care either. I think the developer already got told they’re an asshole for doing what they did and for me that’s that. But I also understand not everyone is as unbothered as I am. Some are going to react more strongly and the developer has given them multiple reasons to react that strongly, to the point where the developer has stoked that fire to get an even bigger response. Of course there’s a limit to the reaction, for example death threats and such are a step too far and those shouldn’t be condoned, but I’m not going to act like I know better how someone else should feel about this situation. In the end we’re emotional beings not soulless husks so let people process their emotions.
I’m sincere. If you’re experiencing real outrage then you have my sympathy and I do hope you feel better soon. Real outrage is not a fun emotional state to be in.
If it is malware then harshness is justified, but I’d be willing to debate over the strict definition of malware and whether it technically applies here.
But I don’t think most of the harshness we’ve seen is actually borne of that kind of outrage. Even the OP of this meme says they are not upset and are having a wonderful time.
I never said it’s strictly malware, I said borderline malware. It can’t be strictly malware because most definitions of malware focus on the malware taking (some or full) control of the system or extracting valuable information, things that generally pose as a direct threat of damage to the end user or system.
But restricting user access to information without the user knowing information is being restricted and taking deliberate steps to hide this is being done in the first place is all malicious behavior. If you asked from a layman if this should be considered malware behavior or not most people would consider this malware behavior, hence borderline malware.
And I don’t see how it not being “strictly malware” would change anything. People are outraged by what it is doing and how it is doing it, not by whether it fits the strict definition of malware.
Which is kind of what I’m getting at. “Outraged”? Really? Isn’t that at least a bit melodramatic considering the stakes and circumstances?
The current reactions you’re seeing aren’t just about the software, it’s also about the person.
This very meme is about that person doubling down on their misguided belief that they have the right to dictate who is allowed to be visible on the fediverse. Then there’s attempts to twist the narrative by claiming the knowledge of this list was always public (in case it needs to said, a block list deliberately omitted from the git and having the code inject it later from a completely different source means deliberate steps were taken to try and hide the existence of the list). And finally there’s also the directed attack to ddos the instance that discovered this list, where the attack vector are unknowing users who read his manifesto on his site.
If we were to just look at the malicious use of the software then yeah, you could make an argument it’s been taken too far. But when you factor in the god complex and continued retaliation by the developer I don’t think we’re at a point where people are overreacting.
Yeah. That’s what I mean by melodramatic. The situation is not actually that serious. If this situation is the worst thing to happen to you this week then I’d say you had a good week.
Don’t you find that to be dismissive? I mean if we’re already deciding for the people who valid their feelings are we could also say the response hasn’t been that harsh because it’s only harassment, it’s not like there’s been an actual murder attempt on the developer. Maybe the developer should also stop being melodramatic?
Or you know, maybe have some empathy and understand that different people can have different emotional reactions to the same thing. I can understand where you’re coming from because I don’t really care either. I think the developer already got told they’re an asshole for doing what they did and for me that’s that. But I also understand not everyone is as unbothered as I am. Some are going to react more strongly and the developer has given them multiple reasons to react that strongly, to the point where the developer has stoked that fire to get an even bigger response. Of course there’s a limit to the reaction, for example death threats and such are a step too far and those shouldn’t be condoned, but I’m not going to act like I know better how someone else should feel about this situation. In the end we’re emotional beings not soulless husks so let people process their emotions.
The software contained lies of intentional omission.
People are right to be outraged over being lied to.
Defending liars is a shit take always.
Well, I hope you recover from this experience quickly and completely!
What did I just say about lying?
I’m sincere. If you’re experiencing real outrage then you have my sympathy and I do hope you feel better soon. Real outrage is not a fun emotional state to be in.
Pretty sure a DDOS is an actual crime…
It’d be pretty funny if the anarchists called the feds, though.