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    This is good news, it shows the laws of nature do apply to humans and scientists like James Hansen etal were right and Physics as we know it applies

    but we’ve chosen to ignore it and it’ll get worse and perhaps this answers Fermi’s Paradox?

    Humanity is the problem (for most humans and for most species) , climate change is the solution, we’re literally killing species off so fast it’s labeled the sixth mass extinction.

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      If climate is effecting white nations, maybe institutions will have to actually start acting like they care.

      But somehow I don’t think America really cares about Europe either, even if they are largely white.

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        Effecting and affecting are not the same word. What you wrote - effecting white nations - means to enable those nations, which is probably the opposite of what you intended.

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    If not for the gulf stream (a constant sea water movement) Europe would be much colder and Northern America much warmer. I wonder if climate warming could potentially stop this gulf stream

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      The AMOC (Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation) is now creaking under the weight of all that Pacific heat in the ocean. If that goes - which is looking increasingly likely within the next 25-50 years - then sayonara Gulf Stream and Europe can look forward to what’s likely to be extremely sub-zero winter temperatures and soaring summer temperatures.

      I’m in the UK and I’ve bought an extra pair of mitts and a hand fan, so I’ll be laughing

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        Just to be clear a collapsing AMOC is projected to slow the gulf stream but not stop it.

        It’s still very very bad though.

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          Let’s just put it this way. It is what was thought to have triggered previous ice ages.

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          I was flabbergasted the first time I realized just how far north Europe is, compared to North America.

          Paris is at 48° 51’ N, significantly further north than Toronto (43° N), Montreal (45° N). London is at 51°N 30’, which is further north than Vancouver (49° N), and just slightly further north than Calgary (51°N).

          Even southern European cities like Ibiza (39° N) are at comparable latitudes to northern American cities like Philadelphia (40°N) or even New York (41°N).

          If Europe starts seeing climate comparable to similar latitudes in North America, that would represent a huge change from the recorded history.

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          Exactly that, yes. We rely on the Gulf Stream for our mild climate so, if that goes, we get the extremes in both summer and winter

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      Europe won’t just be colder, the weather will be more extreme in all directions. Hotter summers and colder winters, with stronger storms due to more extreme temperature variances. It will be a fun time all year round for everyone.

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      Idk if rhetorical question but there’s evidence (iirc, an atypically cold patch of water off of…Greenland?) that the gulf stream may already be breaking down.

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      Just move Europe to the west coast of the south pole and it will drag Italy up the scooter hole of Antarctica, and then we will have the power of Star Gate: Atlantis in our own pants

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        “We conclude that most climate models mix heat too efficiently into the deep ocean and as a result underestimate the negative forcing by human-made aerosols. Aerosol climate forcing today is inferred to be −1.6 ± 0.3 W m−2, implying substantial aerosol indirect climate forcing via cloud changes. Continued failure to quantify the specific origins of this large forcing is untenable, as knowledge of changing aerosol effects is needed to understand future climate change. We conclude that recent slowdown of ocean heat uptake was caused by a delayed rebound effect from Mount Pinatubo aerosols and a deep prolonged solar minimum”

        https://acp.copernicus.org/articles/11/13421/2011/

        One explanation for it at least

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    T’was funny to read that the EU’s strict clean air policy also contributed to the current state since there’s less particles in the air blocking or reflecting sunlight away from the ground. I’m sure there’s other factors to it but man nature is complex.

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    And we’re accelerating the data centers all over the world. The planet will just naturally fully* ice age after the ice caps melt and we all die. Circle of life, eh guys.

    I say fully because we’re still in an ice age.

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    If we compare it to other places at the same latitude their temperatures aren’t unusual. Europe has had favorable winds, but wind patterns change. It’s almost like they need to get over themselves and install the hundred year old technology that is air conditioning.

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      Ah yes, millions of people installing and using energy intensive devices. That’ll be good for climate change, I’m sure

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        Well with those heatwaves there is alao kuch more sun, which means that in theory those devices would be running on electricity which was made CO₂ free.

        But the thing what brought us here is the thing where we made CO₂ more than we should have…

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        Look at what the rest of the world is doing. Keeping grandma from dying isn’t going to make a difference. You don’t have to keep it cold or even run it very often except those long heat waves. Unless you actually want grandma to die.

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          Uh, your second sentence sounds like “Good, let her die,” but your fourth sentence sounds like, “How dare you let her die.” Which one is it? Be consistent…