Hold him accountable or something, yall dont even have guard rails to protect american citizens and hold people in power accountable, america is literally a business trying to make the most profit possible. Citizens rights? Fuq that shit xd
america is literally a business trying to make the most profit possible
Unfortunately, this 100% true, and most people don’t truly realize it. In 1919, Dodge sued Ford, claiming that Henry Ford was operating his company under policies that benefitted him and his workers more than they benefitted the shareholders. The court found for Dodge, and ever since, corporations have been enslaved by their Stock Price, and all company policies have to increase the stock price, no matter what. If they don’t put the shareholders first, the shareholders can sue the company.
That forces companies to abuse and under-pay employees, and make immoral corporate decisions because serving the Stock Price is literally the ultimate objective of every corporation. More than a good product, more than quality control, more than utility to the consumer, more than being a moral company who cares about their employees, the Stock Price is literally the only thing that matters, because that’s the law. Ultimately, the only product that any public corporation cares about, is its Stock.
If they don’t put the shareholders first, the shareholders can sue the company.
The thing that gets you sued is not doing what you say you’re supposed to be doing. And that entirely depends on what it says in the corporate charter. A corporation is only obligated to maximize quarterly shareholder returns if they don’t clearly state otherwise. And it’s never been the stock price, it’s been dividends (which drive the stock price). And you’ll notice that quite a lot of software firms don’t turn a profit for many years and pay no dividends. And yet they’re not sued by shareholders, because they openly announced that that was what their strategy was.
How about go swimming off the beautiful Cuban coast, and get eaten by a school of sharks?
Alright that’s the last straw, I’ve had enough news about tyrants today. I don’t even believe in magic but I’m still gonna put a curse on every single one of these disgusting fascists and enabling fuckwits. Rot, bastards. All of them
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Vihhoo tihhkuvat akat, ukotkii eltaantunneet,
vajjoot mahollistajat, kansoo nii murhhanneet,
sikkailevvat raharikkoot, lapsiiki raeskanneet,
kaik nuo elonkehhee ryöveevät suatanan ahhneet;lihat sulakee poies, suoletki määtkää,
täysiks visvoo piät ilikeet ja tyhymätkii,
kalluu nuo luut viel paha syöpäkkii,
kaik fasistihet työ elävält mättääntykkää;puolest kaikkie heikompie, ny mie pistänkii vihoiks,
kirroon verellä, kirroon raualla,
kirroon sylellä ja suolalla,
peittelennii viel tuhhkasella,
mie kuritan mualimanpaskojia näen julumasti kostoks.So what about Iran and or the Epstein files?
Ha ha!
It’s funny because no one in a position of power will try and stop him and he will fucking kill us all for his vanity, or to escape narcissistic injury, or because he’s bored…
Wait… yeah, that’s not funny. Can someone please take away grampas nuclear weapons and put him in a home/jail?
I’m so glad I listened to all the posters who said voting for the Democrats was voting for GENOCIDE. Boy we sure dodged a bullet there didn’t we!
I’m not sure why people like you feel so confident that some small segment of vocal lefties lost the democrats the election. They are such a small percentage of the actually voting population and strategic voting is just not how most people vote.
The reality is many democratic voters were simply not motivated to vote for an administration that was more interested in supporting a genocide than dealing with the riding cost of living. You can argue that’s stupid or irrational but that won’t affect how voters actually vote. You might as well be yelling at a brick wall. It won’t change anything.
The fact is that Biden, Kamala, and other high level members of the Democratic Party knew that supporting a genocide might cost them the election. They did it anyways. They cared more about Israel’s ability to bomb children than they cared about protecting the American people from a second Trump term. The blame lies entirely with them.
Ah, but it’s not just those who voted this way. It’s more those who actively supported this idea and were pushing for people not to vote because of it. We’ll never have certainty about how much of an impact it made on the actual vote but I think any reasonable person would concede by this point that the consequences of the result they were advocating for have been much, much worse than just picking the lesser evil even if you believe that lesser evil allowed an unrestrained Israel to conduct genocide. I do think the facts contradict that claim anyway since we’ve seen Israel’s actions rise to a whole another level after Trump has truly let the Netanyahu government loose but even if that wasn’t the case there’s a lot more harm being done both domestically and abroad in addition to that all continuing.
It’s also not just the presidential election by the way, in a world where the House had been under Democratic control we’d probably have seen Trump limited in meaningful ways over the past year.
I’m not sure why people like you feel so confident that some small segment of vocal lefties lost the democrats the election. They are such a small percentage of the actually voting population and strategic voting is just not how most people vote.
Because then they’d have to confront the fact that there was whole list of popular (with everyone, not just the left) issues that the democrats where turning their noses up at, not just Kamala’s promise to keep Joe’s genocide going.
But it is funny how the anti-genocide folks are the ones they’re blaming the most for their defeat. No one is hissing at people who wanted single-payer health care for instance. Totally a real winning strategy and not just another smear job paid for by AIPAC.
Honestly, I think it comes down to a form of genocide apologia. I think most reasonable people might ask, “If Biden was willing to lie in order to help Israel carry out a genocide, why wouldn’t he or any of his associates lie in order to protect the corporate profits even if it meant American people would be murdered en masse?” At that point, voting for a democrat feels like choosing to get stabbed in the back so that you don’t get shot in the face. Sure, one might be better than the other but I don’t think anyone wants to be making that choice.
However, if you think your own life has a greater intrinsic value than the lives of people in Gaza you won’t see it the same way. Yeah maybe you would prefer if the Democrats didn’t help murder children abroad but that doesn’t mean they would do the same to you and your children.
some small segment of vocal lefties
Most if not all of them were bots and right-wing trolls, operating with the objective of suppressing Democratic Party turnout. The remainder (if any) were just gullible.
Maybe it was the fact that Kamala was fake as hell, or maybe that the Democratic canvassers knocked on people’s doors (including mine) two dozen times before the election, even though I told them every. single. time. that I was voting for her.
Or hell, maybe it’s that she called Gen Z voters dumb after they clenched the 2022 midterms. Or maybe it’s the fact that they didn’t primary a candidate. They kept saying Biden was going to run again and then tried to use his popularity to force us to vote for her. I’m sorry, but that faded Obama magic doesn’t transfer from one candidate to another, especially when Biden was so-so at best with almost no charisma. I was already pissed that we got the rug pull with Bernie for Biden in 2020. To not even get a fucking primary for 2024 has left me beyond bitter.
Still, I voted for her and Fetterman. I will not vote for a candidate I don’t believe in again. At this point, I’m writing in a third-party name. If the establishment can’t learn, then let them burn. Don’t bother with whatever guilt trip of a response you might have. I’m sick of feckless leaders. I will always vote, but I won’t hold my nose for the establishment anymore. Fascism is here, and the ratcheting fuckers of the Democratic Party are useless. It’s just too bad. Trump is essentially burning the country to the ground, but the flames won’t hit the support beams until they can blame the Democrats, and, like always, it will work. Politics piss me off so much.
Yeah, my only advice is stay close to your family, friends, and community if you can. It’s pretty clear to me that Democratic Party officials have no real interest in fighting fascism so it really doesn’t make sense to put any hope in them. Luckily you don’t really have to.
Fascists by their own inflexible nature will eventually force people to fight back in meaningful ways. Any kind of bonds you create with other people can become the basis upon which organized resistance thrives, whatever that may look like. Even though it’s not really organizing, sometimes I think acts as simple as baking cookies for your neighbors does more to prepare for the fight against fascism than voting for a Democrat does. lol
You could have fought facism by voting, like normal people do.
You really can’t fight fash by voting for fash-lite which is what was offered in 2024.
talk to the dem leaders about their failure on that one. You would hope at least one of the parties would be against war crimes. Why werent the DNC? Rhetocial question: because they are irretrievably corrupt and cashed some AIPAC checks.
I think you’d best be mad at that corruption and not the voters put in an impossible spot because of it. Unless you are dishonest, a warmonger or zionist, in which case go on with your prattle.
Technically speaking, we don’t know what would have happened if Kamala was elected. But I agree with the general sentiment of the message.
Trump, despite being lowest rated president in the modern history is still overrated and overtrusted by people.
Only speaking as a Canadian, but I highly doubt you’d have a president openly threatening the sovereignty of foreign nations, completely alienating your closest allies for over a century forcing them to stop trade with you, and overall make you an international laughing stock.
Sure you might still have gotten a war, but it’s everything else that is uniquely Trump.
These people are so mentally challenged it’s not even funny. I bet they are still around, perhaps on .ml 😉
You didn’t listen to those posters because if you did you’d know they were mad about a lot more than the genocide.
Yeah, what else was it? 😀 How would Kamala have been worse than this? I am genuinely interested 😀
You miss the point. You think Kamala being better than Trump is a gotcha that’ll shame non-voters into eating the shit sandwich, but that’s immature. Voters will never be rational and will always pick what feels right over what would lead to a better outcome. Being bitter about it helps no one, especially when it’s a party’s job to make decisions that appeal to voter preferences.
They made so many blunders leading up to the election that I knew who I would be responsible if we lost. As someone who has voted in every single regional and national election since I was eligible, I saw them do everything in their power to be unlikable enough to lose to evil incarnate. It was the last election that mattered, but you wouldn’t think it based on how they ran the country and their campaigns.
They put capital above democracy, put nationalism over human rights, and they never plan to undo the damage done unless the owning class allows it. You blaming the people who lost most from the election only dooms the party to moving further away from liberalism. It’s always the people who own the media, own stocks, and own politicians who are at fault. You’ve already forgotten who to blame, and for that you are a useful idiot.
You are eating your shit sandwich from the dumpster now instead of a plate in your home. Whatever you blame on the Dems in your lengthy text is foobar’d now to the point of being irreparable.
Guess your hands were tied and there was no way to avoid Trump 2… Not sure who is the idiot here.
I’m not surprised that a person using 😃 emojis didn’t fully read what I wrote. Oh well, it’s not like such comments are for you anyways ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s always a vote for genocide, whether D or R or refusing to vote, the genocide keeps genociding.
USA is world’s largest arms dealer (not hyperbole) regardless of who is in office. Vote for who you want, just for laughs. It doesn’t matter.
Nope, your “nothing matters everyone is the same” bullshit is wrong. There are different levels of harm and the far right is objectively more harmful to more people.
Lmfao you Americans are funny. Non-americans are getting bombed regardless of what flavour of liberalism you guys choose.
We’re talking Iran, Venezuela, Iran again, Cuba next, threats against Greenland and Canada within a few months. You really have to be clueless to pretend this is just the same thing that was happening the previous four years under Biden.
Didn’t Obama do the same with Libya Syria and continued in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, among others? And Biden aided a genocide so not sure what you’re on about.
How many of these did they start vs continue vs somehow happened in their term?
Let’s just make some borscht full of conflicts the US was involved in and use that as whataboutims because who the fuck cares?
Is Trump more than aiding the genocide now? Questions over questions.
So let’s be clear: your only example of what was happening under Biden is the thing that Trump has turned up to eleven while also doing all the other things I listed.
I thought we were talking about how a vote for team blue or team red is a vote for genocide and war? The US’ 200 ish year old history has always been based on war, stop trying to argue against it makes you look uneducated. No other country has carried out the level of meddling destruction and annihilation of entire populations that the US has carried out, either alone or by supplying its allies.
If you want to compare, at least 75 thousand Palestinians were killed in the first 16 months (so 15 months under biden, 1 under trump) but the excess mortality is way higher according to peer reviewed studies in medical journals as indirect deaths aren’t counted in those numbers. Still, taking that 75k number, Biden surpasses the rate of killing than what trump has achieved through its operations and its allies.
So, no trump hasn’t turned up things up to eleven. Trump has just burned bridges with some allies and couped a few countries, which is slightly more active than Biden, but nothing out of the ordinary.
Like Mulligrabs said, regardless of which side of the coin you choose, the US is sure to come and destroy everything you have (or supply someone to do it for them).
“Oh but he’s upsetting allies” what the fuck does that matter? The world doesn’t care that a few allies are upset when they’re getting bombed by America.
The US is an empire and I sincerely hope it collapses.
Bold of you to admit you’re a Trump voter
“The honor of taking Cuba” sounds like an old man talking about a young girl he’s about to rape.
Well he does have experience
Grabbing countries by the pussy.
The USA is a terrorist country.
filled with a terrorist population
yeah, sure, a third of them aren’t terrorists
but the other third? either openly approve or don’t care enough to even vote against it lol. the bare minimum
The US has had centuries of the conservative white majority consistently trying to suppress the vote of minorities and the youth. Hundreds of thousands of voters were purged from the voter rolls shortly before the 2024 elections, with a majority of those purged being minorities. Sauce: https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
Many conservative states put fewer polling locations in poor communities. They block measures to make voting easier like same day registration and vote by mail.
Stop demonizing people that have been systematically disempowered. The Republicans in the Senate are about to shut down all other business in an attempt to strip married women of the right to vote.
First finish with Iran, you Orange Ape
This is about shifting media attention away from Iran. When Miami gets shelled, then the Gulf becomes boring.
I never thought I’d see the day when even childish Saturday morning cartoon villainy became this real.
This is his dementia talking, or more specifically, his frontotemporal dementia, a major symptom of which is that his brain no longer has efffective impulse control He lacks inhibition, much like you see in drunk people, and he’s just acting on whatever idiotic thought pops into his head or gets mentioned to him
blockade is defined in the UN charter as an aggressive act of war. Any fallout from that would mean NATO has no duty to support the US… in that conflict or any conflict continuing from it.
it’s in the definition of Agression Resolution (Re. 3314) and is considered an illegal act, and a war crime if it halts import of food and medicine.
Retaliating with commensurate and proportional force against a blockade is legally allowed by art. 51 of the UN Charter.
NATO has no duty to support the US anyway unless we’re talking about an attack on the US which this isn’t looking like any way you slice it.
Trump seems to be speed-running the “overextend yourself militarily” part of the late stage in the collapse of empires.
The investment in Agent Krasnov is paying dividends
That a sleazy criminal crook like Trump got elected and that he gets away with doing what he does is 100% the fault of the American system, the American elites and the American people.
No amount of foreign interference would be able to even wobble this building if it wasn’t already rotten from the inside down to its foundations.
Trump is a symptom, not a cause, and if it wasn’t him, it would sooner or later be somebody else like him.
So please stop parroting the Neoliberal version of the “blame the foreigners” self-excusing nationalist propaganda that deflects from the 100% local people who are most to blame for what’s happenning, the deserved punishment for their actions at the hands of the common citizens - this shit would never have happenned without decades of pillaging by insiders, subversion of the guardians of Democracy like Courts and the Press, widespread ridiculous amounts of Nationalism switching of people’s critical thinking about their country and the purposeful stupidification of the populace.
Next to the sleazy greedy assholes and a culture normalizing and even applauding sleaze and greed in America, the impact of even the most influencial of foreign states - Israel - is tiny.
You’re right, Trump is the symptom of decades of corruption, the natural result, and a perfect example of the USA. He is what we deserve.
He’s not even smart. This is just getting started, we live in interesting times
The local people are to blame, but they’ve been influenced by decades of foreign-backed media/ propaganda and ideologues. Yes, some of it is due to the selfishness and greed of American culture - at every level - but the collapse is due to a confluence of multiple factors. And a non-trivial factor has been the influence of foreign propaganda and henchmen (it’s not just Donald Trump that is beholden to Russia/ Israel).
Go check who owns most of the Press in America - it ain’t foreigners.
Go check who owns most of the Social Media in America - it ain’t foreigners.
The rot not only predates Social Media, but the very Social Media that accelerated it is American-owned.
I’m sorry but you’re just being a useful idiot when you parrot the very deflection propaganda of the local power elites that I mentioned in my last post.
Agree that the problems predate social media. Also agree with your assessment of the courts and insider palm greasing. To the dumbing down of the populace: there has always been an undercurrent of conservative white people trying to maintain the county’s wealth and power for themselves.
But this:
widespread ridiculous amounts of Nationalism >switching of people’s critical thinking about their >country and the purposeful stupidification of the >populace
Was made infinitely worse by the media environment post-9/11. Since at least 2005, it has been apparent that there was an intentional effort to sell conflicting versions of events to the people so that they could not discern what was true. Yes, all of the American media at the time contributed to the garbage decision to go into Iraq. Initially though, the worst of the confusion of facts was largely driven by Rupert Murdoch-owned Fox News. All of the Internet has greatly exacerbated this since then, and it has been asymptotic post-2020.
Yes, American culture has (always?) been narcissistic and obnoxiously self-aggrandizing. But America had been a gigantic population of wealthy consumers for decades. So it draws all the avaristic psychopaths from around the world like moths to a flame. Are the local people to blame for the machinations of Rupert Murdoch, Peter Thiel, and Elon Musk? Saudi Arabian and Russian wealth underwrote Musk’s acquisition of Twitter, even if you count him as one of “the local people”. To the headless beast that is social media now, you have Russia contributing millions of dollars via Tenet Media in the 2024 campaign.
Obviously there are plenty of American bad actors in this stew of billionaire-owned manipulative media, but most of them act with an agenda that does not involve ripping the country apart.
What I’m talking about here is the massive social, political and economic trends of the life-cycle of an Empire.
So keep on Zooming Back your perspective.
Here is an historic graphic of Social Mobility in the US.
Here is the Gini Coeficient that measures inequality (the higher the more unequal), which actually understates the reality because it’s not that great at reflecting internal inequality in the top quintile (i.e. things like how the top 1% are now way much richer than the top 10% than before).
So all the way back in the 1970s, America started changing from the “Land Of Opportunity” were “everybody has a chance” as shown by it’s massive social mobility back then to the equivalent of a feudal system - a zero-merit environment where the rich are rich because their parents were rich and those born into poverty are unable to rise up from poverty - AND on top of that the richer were getting richer and the rest were getting poorer.
For most of the population that meant more povert and less opportunity hence less hope. From that you get more discontent.
So, how do the elites pillaging a society deal with such increase in discontent due to the activities of said elites?
Deceive the masses (for example: more and more lying in Politics, Press capture and subversion into a Propaganda machine and in present day psychological manipulation via Social Media), increase oppression (for example: ever more murderous policing, criminalization of “no victim” activities and harsher punishements) and in the case of a Democracy subvert the systems by which the citizens chose who will manage the nation (for example: political corruption, Gerrymandering, taking the vote away from felons - which typically hail from the poor - and, specifically in the barelly-Democratic US system, internal capture of the two parties in the duopoly of power that rules the country as illustrated by how the DNC gave the nomination to Hillary Clinton some years ago).
So the entire system was pillaged by local elites and then when the discontent caused by that pillaging grew, it was corrupted by those very same elites to redirect or suppress the consequences for those elites.
Foreign interference in present day America, is like maggots in a zombie - they’re not what made it a zombie and there would be no maggots in it if had not already been turned into a zombie.
Here is an historic graphic of Social Mobility in the US.
Here is the Gini Coeficient that measures inequality (the higher the more unequal), which actually understates the reality because it’s not that great at reflecting internal inequality in the top quintile (i.e. things like how the top 1% are now way much richer than the top 10% than before).
A problem with these graphs & your inferences is it’s objectively unclear what to expect. What do they look like for other countries? What part of this is explained by other factors like unique historical advantages (eg, an industrial base untouched by war during the postwar boom) dissipating as other countries rebuild & catch up? Can we decouple these time-dependent factors to get an expected baseline performance apart from them?
With that social mobility graph, should we expect nearly all children to earn more than their parents every subsequent generation indefinitely? The remarkably similar graph provided by the source cited by yours shows birthyear of the child starting in 1940. Couldn’t their parents earning substantially less, perhaps by living through the Great Depression, and the postwar boom significantly explain the high proportion earning more than their parents? And as GDP per capita growth rate declines, wouldn’t we likewise expect a declining proportion of children to earn more than their parents? A base of reference would really help here.
As for the Gini coefficient, we see a 7% range from 35% to 42%. While this is an increase, it doesn’t seem staggering & needs evidence to distinctly support your conclusion.
Some problems you mentioned were always present or worse when that Gini coefficient was lower: gerrymandering, obstructions to vote (felon disenfranchisement, intimidation, poll taxes & tests), discriminatory incarceration, 2-party system due to plurality voting, etc. They’re not new developments systematically leading in the direction you claim.
It looks like you started with your conclusion & worked backwards to confirm it with evidence that is not as conclusive as you claim. An open-minded skeptic wouldn’t be convinced.
Agreed! Russia can’t even afford to sit at the table with the real players, they are “second string” at best.
Russia’s economy is smaller than California’s. Can they afford to influence a rep? Yes, as always. But our reps will take money from absolutely anyone, get in line Russia, you’re right after Amazon and McDonald’s and Walmart and Tesla and Blackstone and Blackrock and so on
Spoken like a true rapist.
When I was a kid I always dreamed of visiting the USA.
Now, I will only visit it once. To piss on Trump’s grave when he dies.
you probably won’t be able to afford the ticket… if there is one thing i know about america’s capitalist pigs, is that you will 100% be charged money at the gate to go and piss on his grave, and it will cost more than fifa tickets.
although, ironically… i only ever had to pay to use the pissers in europe lol, this will be america’s first pay toilet lol! …and that is still a better legacy than her deserves
I think there will be a large tourist line for that. Even Americans will want to partake. Haha
Put it behind a 10 dollar ticket and some good could be done with the billions of dollars.
I can piss on it for you so you don’t have to visit this shit. Besides my piss is extra acrid and dank.
It’s funny because I’ve had the exact same thoughts!!! 🤣🤣🤣
“I do believe I’ll be the honor of – have the honor of taking Cuba. That would be good. That’s a big honor,” said the president.
“Taking Cuba. In some form, yeah,” the president confirmed. “Taking Cuba.”
“I mean, whether I free it, or take it… I think I can do anything I want with it, to tell you the truth,” Trump said.
Wasn’t he trying to make people forget about the Epstein files? Because jfc that isn’t how you do it
Trump doesnt know truth even when it slaps his ignorant head
Honestly, I don’t think this is really meant as a cover up. The war crimes he’s committing are far more atrocious than anything he could have possibly done with Epstein. It would be like trying to distract from an assault by becoming a serial killer.
The reality is Iran and Cuba have been on the hit list of the American right wing for almost half a century. Trump is just such an arrogant narcissist that he thinks he’s uniquely capable of making those bloodthirsty dreams a reality. The idea that prior republican administrations didn’t go to war with Iran or Cuba because they knew the US wouldn’t win doesn’t event occur to him. The sycophants and yes men he’s surrounded himself with in his second term are also too cowardly to tell him.
The war crimes he’s committing are far more atrocious than anything he could have possibly done with Epstein.
Yeah, but unfortunately the severity of the political consequences for each does not correlate well with the severity of the offense, especially for the person living in the bubble of the US Presidency. Double especially a Republican one!
When it comes to their voters, a president like W or Trump is pretty much expected to generate a steady flow of corpses of dehumanized non-people on the other side of the world somewhere.
But release just one video of Trump raping a child, or one pic of Trump blowing Bubba, and that’s literally a thousand times worse. There are so many millions of ignorant people who just go along with what they’re taught and have reinforced through echo chambers. They are seasoned pros at making excuses for their cult leader and looking past faults. His crimes are him being a shrewd and smart businessman. His cheating and predatory behaviors are because he’s a lion among men who drowns women in testosterone if he doesn’t move along.
But a real pic of him with a dick in his mouth? Like, corroborated with sources by multiple journalists who release it at the same time? Imagine the number of supporters Trump has lost because of Gaza, Iran, and all military stuff combined over the past decade. He loses 10x that number within in the first day after the pic. It’s a horrible thing to say, but it’s true.
I honestly think he could get away with it if real and verifiable pictures of him abusing children were to be leaked. Most of the news media is controlled by people sympathetic to Trump and he’d wield the power of the state to go after anyone who doesn’t fall in line. As long as it doesn’t threaten capital, right wing judges aren’t going to rein him in. His sycophantic base would be eager to believe in narratives of it all being AI even if those claims were easy to disprove.
That said, the war he’s launched against Iran is beginning to have a major impact on the global economy. He only has so many tools to buffer the US from the consequences of that war. The sickening thing is, it’s much easier for Americans to have moral clarity on the horrors of imperial violence once it starts to negatively impact their standard of living.
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