• counterfactual@sopuli.xyz
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    The US is putridly the source of all evil, pretty much. If one of you guys’ pentagon nukes self-detonated the world would be a better place.

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      There are millions of people here who are kind and compassionate and want none of this and are absolutely horrified and too depressed to even work and function, but have no idea what to do about it.

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        Can I tell them what to do about it?

        I mean it’s repeated every time someone shoots school children

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        millions of people here who too lazy to even vote to save their own democracy…

        fixed that for ya

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          The last several US elections had the highest voter turnout in US history. Laziness was not the issue, it was media compromise by internal and external sources pushing lies, ruining attention spans, and legions of foreign troll farms amplifying the most extreme voices of both sides of every single social issue so the majority of people tuned out from actual information.

          There was an entire report on it from intelligence agencies that was broadly ignored by those in power benefitting from the effects it caused.

          Whatever country you feel superior for living in right now, you are equally vulnerable and I guarantee you’re entire life is nothing more than fractions of decimals in some analyst’s office after being told to give profit projections for capturing gainshare from doing the same damn thing to you and your people.

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          Except for, you know, the millions of people who DID vote for democracy.

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        If only those kind and compassionate people had gone out to vote that last time… I would have believed it. Sure some people are nice but boy these nice people shot themselves in the foot

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          Most of them did go out and vote, and they voted wrong because our media landscape is massively, impossibly compromised and fucked, so attacking the the general population for not knowing who to vote for is like condemning an orphanage of misled children for being enlisted as child-soldiers. I get everyone wants to blame people, but lets blame the right people. There are reasons we don’t send mentally challenged people to the electric chair and why we have rules about premeditation for crimes.

          You guys want to see satisfaction but know the conservative segment will never feel regret so you’re now turning on the innocent-minded people who have been manipulated. We’ve had some of the largest marches and protests against Trump’s regime in US history since even his first administration, we’re not a healthy country right now but attack the disease, not the compromised immune system. It’s basic logic.

          Unless you are also going to reject logic. I guess it’s the “in” thing to do in the 2020’s.

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            That is a misleading comparison. People voting are not children regardless of what they like to watch. This fucker told you what he was going to do and so many nice people said yep that’s what we want or they only liked parts of it and ignored the rest. Because it aligned with their truth, beliefs or whatever bullshit you guys tell yourselves, some hated gays (see the Latino community who voted mostly orange), hated blacks, immigrants or your favorite niche of hate. The orange fucker promised to sooth all your collective hates but you all ignored that you might be the subject of someone’s hate…

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              One thing you have to keep in mind is these people might not be aware of the things he promised. Not everyone is terminally online doom scrolling politics, and the media sources they consume likely buried the information or straight up lied about it.

              They’re still ultimately responsible for being negligent, but a great many people don’t know the platforms of the people they vote for.

              The Republicans have been waging war against our education system for over 50 years now, critical thinking and questioning authority are actively discouraged, and they’ve been told since birth they have to vote R or the Democrats will take everything from them. They were raised in a cult.

              Don’t automatically attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. There’s a good reason why people tend to be less right leaning after college.

              The people, in my opinion, who are most to blame are the people who knew what he promised, but didn’t vote for Harris out of protest. They were ultimately what caused Trump to win.

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                Yes you may be right about the ignorance vs malice. There is a lot of ignorance everywhere and it feels like malice because it is incomprehensible how one can be so unaware of what is happening around them.

                The education system has been under attack everywhere, I think in every country for the past 30 years standards have dropped every year.

                Those people that didn’t vote out of protest had the worst timing in history agreed.

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              Even if one voted on the premise of smaller government, yay small towns, less spending, fiscal responsibility, good christian, blah, blah, blah… that the republicans constantly state is their goal, they haven’t managed to do any of that maybe ever. They have been doing exactly the opposite for decades.

              There is no reason to think this time it will be different. None. Not with trump’s track record or any of the other republicans who kiss the ring.

              So doing the math, it means republican voters are willfully ignorant or stupid, or their hatreds of some facet of democrats or the people they represent were the overriding factors in voting for trump. There really isn’t much in between.

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              I don’t think you would want to be judged by the dumbest people in your country either, we are all just humans and failing, but I place blame where it belongs which is those who have the power and platform and mislead deliberately.

              The first person to claim “their people” are better than others are the first people who start pulling the levers of fascism. Welcome to the machine.

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                Nobody is perfect that much is true. But you need a lot of self reflection. Is not about my country or some other. It is your country and at the end of the day I couldn’t care less what happened to it if it didn’t affect so much of the rest of the world.

                Blaming the media and people in power is the childish

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                  Is not about my country or some other

                  Do you think the powers that have manipulated and dumbed down the US population are content with destroying America? Do you think they’ll eat up everything and go “Mmnn that was good, I’m satisfied now, I’m done dividing populations and exploiting people’s worst tendencies!”

                  This is your problem too, wherever you live. Identifying where that problem come from is your tool for fighting it, so remember we’re in this together, as much as it probably makes you feel better to be outside the US borders, either physically or mentally, it’s coming for you too. We’re all just people, and your people aren’t magically immune to the same tactics.

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                    Oh boy we have this problem too, every election cycle. We have people looking fondly to a time when we were not part of eu, they call it when we were sovereign whatever that means. But they conveniently forget you needed a visa to get everywhere and to get that you have to queue at an embassy and wait about a week or more. They forget that even making phone calls to and from roaming used to cost a fortune, hello everything was more complicated and tedious. But noo eu is so bad for paper straws and a few other stupid things I don’t want to get into. Don’t get me wrong it has its flaws but damn mist of these people complain and want out of eu while working in eu!! Talk about stupidity manifested. Anyway so far, with one exception were said stupidity manifested in the most spectacular way, most countries stay in despite all the best efforts of a certain vodka fueled country which shall remain nameless.

                    You are right it is not a given and it is a constant battle but in your case your system has never been tested this way. I really hope it will hold.

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            I’m so glad I’m not American, it seems exhausting to need to make up excuses for the real reason behind your problems: half of your population embraces fascism and racism to the extent that they are literal Nazis. And the other half lets them do it.

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            Openly admitting the average Murcan has the intelligence and education of a child.

            But yeah, you’re right. The people aren’t in control, and haven’t been for some time. One wouldn’t expect them to be well-educated.

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              Openly admitting the average Murcan has the intelligence and education of a child.

              Yes? And? Your stupid people are better?

              This capitalist sabotage of intelligence and attention isn’t contained by one border, after the US is ravaged they will come for you as well. This is ALL our problem.

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                  Well if you don’t want to engage like a grown up and have the conversational skills of the worst American online chud, it says a lot about how much danger the entire world is in. Good luck out there feeling invincible and so, so very smart. I’m sure you’ll be just fiiiiine.

                  I won’t be seeing your reply, have fun imagining a crowd is watching and get your emotional satisfaction from that fantasy.

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        Your ancestors inspired the atrocities of the Holocaust, and more than 41% of your current citizens would vote for Trump again if they had the chance. You guys are not all compassionate and kind like your echo chamber opinions and rose-coloured glasses make it seem.

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          What does this mean? Fuck everyone then?

          Hmnn, who else can I name who has decided to condemn an entire nation of men, women and children and wish them death based on the actions of the minority.

          Hmnnnn… where or where has this played out.

          edit: folks, lot of trolls out there doing this act on purpose, many are even paid to continue to sow division between peoples, don’t trust these bad-faith astroturfers and edgelords to even have a good conversation, report them, block them and move on.

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              Ah so you’re here in bad faith then, 4-day old account.

              I won’t see further replies, keep trying to inflame people elsewhere.

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                Minorities are not always absolute. You can’t, in good faith, say that Trump voters (who got him ELECTED for fuck’s sake) and who currently poll him at 41+% count as a “minority” the same way any other “minority” exists, such as LGBT at 15ish %. You’re arguing in such bad faith that it’s actually ridiculous. Typical American mindset.

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                  Again to point out for the rest: this is a textbook troll. It’s too perfect a mix of being demonstrably incorrect with being aggressively overconfident. It’s 100% ragebait, and the odds of someone truly being this ignorant while also being so furiously certain are low. Then ending with an insult? It’s too on the nose.

                  I’m not suggesting people don’t interact. I simply suggest we mock them for their poor trolling skills.