Trump administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with far-right Canadian separatists who want to break free from the rest of the country.

U.S. officials met with leaders of the Alberta Prosperity Project, a fringe right-wing group of separatists who want the oil-rich western province to become independent, three times in Washington since last April, sources told the Financial Times.

News of the stealthy meetings comes at a time of especially high tensions between the U.S. and its northern neighbor. During a speech in Davos at the World Economic Forum, Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney spoke of a “rupture” in the world order, in what appeared to be a veiled attack on the trade and foreign policies of Donald Trump – but without mentioning him by name.

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    He’s trying to do what Putin is doing in Europe but they don’t have the opsec.

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    It’s not enough to foment insurrection in our country, now Trump is doing it in other countries, too???

    Yeah, yeah. I know.

    👨‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

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      Yah but the US has traditionally only done it in countries that are predominantly brown, have oil, and can’t defend themselves, so this is a relatively new (and dumb) move.

      Lets see how it plays out.

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      We’ve done the latter since WWII, just not generally in allied countries.

      Edit: ooof - just now seeing the “always has been” emoji. I’m owning it… whatever.

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    American oil corporations have been financing those separatist groups and their astroturfing campaigns in Alberta for a while now. I wish the Canadian government called it for what it is. They are trying to make Alberta Canada’s Crimea.

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        Hate to say it but I agree with you. I just find Eby to be an asshole who never should have been accepted as the leader of the BC NDP. He treats his constituents like shit, then turns tail when he gets backlash.

        But as the old saying goes a broken clock is right twice a day.

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    I know hypocrisy is a big part of international relations. But can you imagine the aneurysm this administration would have if they found out that the Canadian government had been having covert discussions with fringe separatist groups in, say, Washington State? It would be tarrifs and tantrums up the wazoo. Hell, there would probably be troop build-ups along parts of the border and all sorts of crazy threats/actions.

    But the other way around? Nah. It’s all about the land-grab and American exceptionalism. “Rules for thee but not for me.”

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      Us separatists up here in Washington are in favor of a state called Cascadia that includes BC in addition to Washington and Oregon (and maybe NorCal), so it’d be a little different.

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        Yeah we even have a flag picked out. That said BC’s inclusion is more of a “we’d love to have them if they were interested” than a “we have the right to the whole of the pacific northwest”

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        BC is Canadian. You can’t “include it” any more than you can take Alberta.

        Feel free to split up the United States however you like, that’s your business, but Canada’s staying Canadian.

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          I don’t have anything good to say here, just that I personally have no intention of taking anything from anyone, and I support separatism only to the extent that it allows for better self-governance. Being extremely skeptical of Americans supporting separatist movements, especially right now, given that we have a long and storied history of annexing those “independent” groups immediately afterwards, makes a lot of sense.

          Edit: I lost my train of thought while in a different thread and forgot the point I was trying to make: exactly because Cascadian separatism concerns Canadian sovereignty, it would be considerably less contentious for Canada to meet with Washingtonians who want independence than it is for Trump to meet with Albertan separatists.

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            Specifically Texas was obtained by inflaming a separatist movement then invading after it was cracked down on.

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    Trump officials have met with traitors. Canadian traitors.

    What else do you call people who would happily give up their own country to a neighbouring fascist dictator? Not even to appease him and save their people, but to actually support the orange shitstain?

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    Trump officials in Canada should be considered hostile enemies and eliminated with prejudice.

    Canadians who conspire with the US should be arrested for treason and sentenced to life in prison without parole, without external communication privileges.

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    And AB will be TINY cause they can’t give away land that’s not there’s. Ie. Indigenous land.

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      Sorry to make assumptions, but if these right wing separatists are anything like American right wing separatists, would they not eventually just try to take it even if it wasn’t officially given to them?

      That’s what I believe the U.S. separatists plan to do. Similar to the U.S.S.R., you’ll probably see multiple states try to leave the union and form superstates. Once the larger superstates are formed they’ll eventually join Trump’s confederacy to invade, and attack their surrounding smaller states in order to force the remainder of the union to collapse.

      Wouldn’t be surprised if these Canadian separatists allied with them to eventually break up even more of Canada. In other words, it never stops with just one territory. The long term goal is to break apart countries piece by piece, and then invade to take over and reform all of North and South America.

      There’s this other fellow with similar goals in Europe. I’m not entirely sure, but I also suspect they (or more specifically the people who fund them) have been working together much longer than most people realize.

      Seems like there’s similar plans for the entire globe.

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        They are a tiny minority in AB. Most Albertans are very proud to be Canadian. That being said there is all of social media (US) and mainstream media (all US owned with few exceptions) which will amplify this. There’s only 5 million ppl in the entire province (there’s 6-8 million in the GTA as comparison). The main thing is they can’t take land with them that’s not theirs. It will start a war if these separatists get help from the US military to take Alberta. Also there is no independent Alberta, there is only Alberta as part of Canada or Alberta as part of the US. The US wouldn’t keep the name Alberta either cause it’s named after Queen Victoria’s husband.

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          I’m not disagreeing with you, but war is always the point. It’s usually a tiny minority, but these movements are backed by a global campaign of disinformation and destabilization funded by oligarchs trying to gain control of natural resources and global power.

          It’s preventable, but you just have to be prepared for wolves in sheep’s clothing who rely on the victim narrative and in-grouping.

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      I previously linked to a map of Alberta that shows the land that isn’t indigenous.

      It’s a really small and disconnected area.

      Kind of like the number of Albertans who want to separate.

      My recommendation: they should just move to Idaho or Montana and become Americans.

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    Hey Canada California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii would like to talk about an alliance of some kind