But if I say billionaires should pay more taxes or be euthanized I’m put on a list
That’s a great reason not to raise wild animals in captivity.
They’ll be held as hostages by corpo scum.
“Give me money, or I’ll kill 30 whales. Ahahahah! They’re mine, and I can do whatever I want! AHAHAAHAH! Hail HR! Hail HR!”
That’s not fiction. That’s the story.
“we’re closing. We cannot afford to keep these whales with no staff and no land. We want to move them to another habitat which has agreed to keep these animals which cannot be released.”
“No because they could maybe be mistreated.”
“They WILL be neglected here and the people buying the land will need them gone. It’s euthanasia or transport. Or you adopt them.”
Barring a time machine to stop the park from opening in 1961, that’s the options.
The option is right there in the article:
Under provincial law, Ontario has the power to seize the whales to ensure their safety – recouping any costs incurred when the park is sold.
How much do you wanna bet that any fines for killing the whales will be substantially cheaper than relocation, so the park will do that and just eat the fine rather than risk the province confiscate the whales and then charge them later?
Why the fuck are there still whales there and why are the corpos allowed to threaten death if these whales. They wanted to sell them to china (where they most likely will be further abused), now if they can’t get money they’ll kill them?
C’mon Ottawa, force them to rehabilitate and release them, even if it kills the park.
C’mon Ottawa, force them to rehabilitate and release them, even if it kills the park.
A lot of animals cannot be rehabilitated and released. If they were born and raised in captivity, they have effectively no chance of survival on their own. I don’t know what the situation is for these animals, but I’ve been to plenty of zoos and aquariums in the past that have rehabilitation programs and even they have a few “lifers” who will never leave.
AFAIK there are rarely whales born in captivity and nearly all were stolen from their pods and thrown into a swimming pool.
And when you feed bears you get bears that can’t survive on their own.
Same deal.
Only animal I know that even has a chance in the would is a domestic house cat. Some can’t learn to hunt, some can, you never know. And mostly how they survive is finding humans to care for them, so maybe that doesn’t really count.
Uhhhh, how about try? If the options are to euthanize them or give them a fighting chance in the wild, they should just release them near or around another pod. The hubris of man to think animals can’t survive without them. They aren’t domesticated. If they’re hungry and see a fish swim by they’d be like “where’s the hairless ape’s hand to feed me?”.
It’s not the hubris of man. It’s scientific research over decades and decades that has shown many captive animals are unable to survive without humans. This isn’t just some hippy or business person making uninformed assumptions about how animals work. Animals who have never been taught how to hunt on their own, or how to communicate with others of their species, will slowly die of starvation. It happens all the time when animals are let loose in the wild with no skills.
If you don’t believe me, go watch Naked and Afraid. Nearly every episode is about how these adult humans who have a production team ensuring their safety can’t catch any food and get sick from bad water and mostly starve for the entire duration of the challenge. That’s what captive animals are like. They have grown up with nobody to teach them anything useful. The only people who do well on the show are those who have had years of training in how to survive in the wild.
I’m not a marine biologist, so I can’t speculate on what the best alternative is for these whales, but I would like to imagine there are more options than the binary of “kill them” or “throw them to the
wolvessharks”.Marineland is just parroting the euthanize option because they’re upset they couldn’t make a quick buck by selling them to China. It’s a hissy fit tactic to try to un-block the sale.
If the whales are not able to be released in to the wild, I’m sure there are plenty of other facilities out there that would be able to care for them. Marineland might need to pay them to take the animals in, but it should be their obligation to do so if they’re unable to support the quality of life they need themselves.
Hey, man! What do you have against sharks? They need food too. Euthanize them and OSHA and 9 other agencies will have a say in how the carcasses are disposed of “safely”.
I do agree with you though, I wish the options weren’t so binary.
In the past, attempts to rehabilitate whales have taken decades and resulted in failure. The whales have simply become wholly dependent on humans to feed them and give them company.
TBH, though, most of them kept in captivity end in suicides as the reverberations from their small enclosures are like living in a room where the alarms blare 24/7 so the euthanization might actually be a gift to them.
So it comes down to putting them in the wild to die slowly or kill them outright. If I had to choose I guess I’d want them released, but I’m not really in either camp. I also really don’t like the idea of continuing their suffering in captivity.
You only read the headline didn’t you
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
*Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives again
In their mind the park is practically over, everyone fucking hates them, their need to provide a veneer of giving a fuck about these animals is fucking gone, who cares?
I dont get why the government is blocking sending the whales to China tho. If the choice is the government bankrolling Marineland, the whales being killed or the whales being sent to China isn’t selling them to China the obviously best choice? Are they worried that the big bad Chinese will steal our Whale IP?
Canada or Ontario should liberate the whales and take over the property for the necessary property and income to do so.
🎶 Every one haaaaaates Marineland! 🎶
Me reading headline: I fuckin bet it is Marineland. Me reading the first paragraph of the article: I fucking knew it! Fucking marineland.
“Look what you’re making me do”
This Marine Park fellow sounds like one bad hombre.
Yeah and he’s also dead. Used to smuggle illegal Belugas to breed and imprison them at Marineland. He’s already in hell.
Marineland is still trying to continue existing?
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The government should seize the property and the assets of the owners and shareholders and anyone related to the owners to pay for this. You don’t end up here by accident.
But they’ll just get their way and retire wealthy.
Apparently it costs 2 million per month to keep the belugas alive. Not sure I would want the government to be covering that cost. The issue is more complex than the headline but at the end of the day the corporation did not manage their money and now are in urgent need however, they also wanted to sell the animals to a group in China and the Feds blocked the sale. These animals were born in captivity so it’s hard to say if they would survive if released. It’s not a great situation.
They won’t survive in the wild and the China option is inhumane.
The best option currently is to put them down but it’s abhorrent that it’s even possible to be in this situation.
I’m pro Nuke the Whales.
Everyone is big mad about the whales. Meanwhile, there’s a whole lot of other animals that aren’t famous being fucked with, and humans, and a pretty compelling case that the costs of caring for damn belugas is actually pretty burdensome.
It’s not bad people care about show whales. It’s bad that it’s vastly disproportionate.
It is proportionate — to their size
(In all seriousness, it’s a lot easier to make suitable living quarters for most other animals. If you can’t make suitable living quarters, it’s unethical, full stop. Yes I’m including factory farm meat in that)
I don’t actually disagree with that, which is why “don’t euthanise them but also don’t do anything with them” isn’t being accepted by the company as an answer. I only know MarineLand from the ads, but any habitat multiple whales can at least sort of live in will be no joke.
