And yet this country chose to elect a president who has in no uncertain terms said he will dissolve Obamacare which will only give more money and power to the CEOs of shitty healthcare companies.
But the reason many voted for him, or simply didn’t vote at all was because the traditional poloticians weren’t helping either. Kind of a “banging my head against this wall hasn’t worked, let try this other wall.”
More like “I didn’t bother educating myself on these two walls but when I was growing up in the 80s ‘R’ next to a name meant financial security to my daddy, so now that the economy isn’t great I need to vote R.”
I am sure there were plenty of those, but they always do that. So nothing new there. And I don’t blame them honestly. When both choices suck, why invest a ton of time and energy into researching. The way businesses pass work onto us these days means everyone is short of time and energy.
Yeah, nothing like trying to reign in the oligarchs who are over pricing everything by installing a bunch of oligarchs as your defacto government. That’ll surely fix the problem.
I don’t think the people who crossed over or stayed home expect trump to fix anything. That just wanted to send a message that they were not okay with what the dems were doing. And they didn’t have many options.
You are assigning far too much thought to how people voted this go around. I think it’s more basic than that. I think it’s just straight up apathy. Along with a good bit of confusion that was juiced by one of the richest men on the planet. Who just so happens to own one of the largest social media platforms that has ever existed.
Conspiracy theorists fall into the hole of trying to boil down complicated problems to just one singular factor. But it’s not. It’s very very complicated and there’s a lot of things that need to be done to fix it. My personal hope is that one of those will be that this absolute win by the Republican party and Trump in particular will be the the ax that takes down the Democratic party and allows us to build a new one in its place. But that’s kind of a pipe dream I think. Old dogs die hard. Plus there’s nobody out there who wants to step up and push the Democratic party out of the way. Bernie would be the obvious choice but he doesn’t seem interested in taking leadership role in a brand new party to oust the old one.
Bernie is too old. His time has passed. Some point to AOC. But I’m not feeling it really. Who knows though. Trump sort of came out of nowhere and took over the republican party.
I am too young to have experienced what it was like Pre Obamacare. But as I understand it, insurance companies used to be able to drop you if you cost too much. What is the point of their existence then? What is the point of buying insurance if they can just drop you if you cost too much.
How so. I always thought the things like forcing them to keep children till they’re 26 and not being able to drop people for pre existing conditions were good for consumers.
It also mandated people buy coverage and let them have 20% overhead which is absurdly high. Marketplaces added subsidies for buying insurance, which is ultimately a benefit to the insurance company. It also expanded Medicaid, which pays out tons to insurance companies through HMO plans. It also gave them justification to raise rates, as they now had to cover more things.
Covering kids until 26 is nice, but it’s basically free from the insurance company perspective. Covering pre-existing conditions is a negative, but there’s still room to increase premiums from it. The overall affect of the bill was positive for insurance companies.
It’s only saving graces were the payment assistance and blocking the insurance companies from denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Though the insurance companies found other ways to deny coverage.
Yeah, the only good thing about Trump possibly destroying the ACA is that I may provide the impetus to replace it with something better. I somewhat doubt that, but there’s a chance, especially if we start seeing a lot more hate towards health insurance companies.
No - I’m not letting this logic fester or gain traction. Trump and republicans do not want to replace the ACA. That’s a complete and total fantasy. Democrats took decades to get the ACA enacted, so once it’s gone it’s probably gone for decades. If republicans gave a damn they would’ve helped fix what is wrong with the ACA, but they’d rather full repeal with no plan to replace. Listen to what any of them say or do, they wear it as a badge of honor.
If caught, this guy could be convicted of a felony. He has also shot someone on “5th Avenue”. Likely this guy could get elected president and avoid serving any time. There’s precedent.
And yet this country chose to elect a president who has in no uncertain terms said he will dissolve Obamacare which will only give more money and power to the CEOs of shitty healthcare companies.
To be fair, people tried to shoot him too.
But the reason many voted for him, or simply didn’t vote at all was because the traditional poloticians weren’t helping either. Kind of a “banging my head against this wall hasn’t worked, let try this other wall.”
More like “let’s blow myself up together with the wall, that’ll show it!”
More like “I didn’t bother educating myself on these two walls but when I was growing up in the 80s ‘R’ next to a name meant financial security to my daddy, so now that the economy isn’t great I need to vote R.”
Ding ding ding!
I am sure there were plenty of those, but they always do that. So nothing new there. And I don’t blame them honestly. When both choices suck, why invest a ton of time and energy into researching. The way businesses pass work onto us these days means everyone is short of time and energy.
Yeah, nothing like trying to reign in the oligarchs who are over pricing everything by installing a bunch of oligarchs as your defacto government. That’ll surely fix the problem.
I don’t think the people who crossed over or stayed home expect trump to fix anything. That just wanted to send a message that they were not okay with what the dems were doing. And they didn’t have many options.
You are assigning far too much thought to how people voted this go around. I think it’s more basic than that. I think it’s just straight up apathy. Along with a good bit of confusion that was juiced by one of the richest men on the planet. Who just so happens to own one of the largest social media platforms that has ever existed.
Conspiracy theorists fall into the hole of trying to boil down complicated problems to just one singular factor. But it’s not. It’s very very complicated and there’s a lot of things that need to be done to fix it. My personal hope is that one of those will be that this absolute win by the Republican party and Trump in particular will be the the ax that takes down the Democratic party and allows us to build a new one in its place. But that’s kind of a pipe dream I think. Old dogs die hard. Plus there’s nobody out there who wants to step up and push the Democratic party out of the way. Bernie would be the obvious choice but he doesn’t seem interested in taking leadership role in a brand new party to oust the old one.
Bernie is too old. His time has passed. Some point to AOC. But I’m not feeling it really. Who knows though. Trump sort of came out of nowhere and took over the republican party.
Obamacare is a pretty huge handout to insurance companies anyway.
I am too young to have experienced what it was like Pre Obamacare. But as I understand it, insurance companies used to be able to drop you if you cost too much. What is the point of their existence then? What is the point of buying insurance if they can just drop you if you cost too much.
The point of their existence is - and has always been - to line their own pockets. Thassit.
How so. I always thought the things like forcing them to keep children till they’re 26 and not being able to drop people for pre existing conditions were good for consumers.
It also mandated people buy coverage and let them have 20% overhead which is absurdly high. Marketplaces added subsidies for buying insurance, which is ultimately a benefit to the insurance company. It also expanded Medicaid, which pays out tons to insurance companies through HMO plans. It also gave them justification to raise rates, as they now had to cover more things.
Covering kids until 26 is nice, but it’s basically free from the insurance company perspective. Covering pre-existing conditions is a negative, but there’s still room to increase premiums from it. The overall affect of the bill was positive for insurance companies.
Which got dropped fast, which I think is good, myself, for the reason you stated next:
It’s only saving graces were the payment assistance and blocking the insurance companies from denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Though the insurance companies found other ways to deny coverage.
Yeah, the only good thing about Trump possibly destroying the ACA is that I may provide the impetus to replace it with something better. I somewhat doubt that, but there’s a chance, especially if we start seeing a lot more hate towards health insurance companies.
No - I’m not letting this logic fester or gain traction. Trump and republicans do not want to replace the ACA. That’s a complete and total fantasy. Democrats took decades to get the ACA enacted, so once it’s gone it’s probably gone for decades. If republicans gave a damn they would’ve helped fix what is wrong with the ACA, but they’d rather full repeal with no plan to replace. Listen to what any of them say or do, they wear it as a badge of honor.
I meant after they destroy it and democrats, or whoever, take back power. Obviously Republicans aren’t going to replace it with anything good.
They had zero actual plan to replace it with anything last time they took it away, they didn’t even really pretend to even have one.
This won’t work if Trump warps our government in order to install himself as president for life.
If caught, this guy could be convicted of a felony. He has also shot someone on “5th Avenue”. Likely this guy could get elected president and avoid serving any time. There’s precedent.