Also not that it’s any of your business, but I can’t go out and protest because I’m suffering from a long-term illness which gives me low energy, so I have to keep my activism confined to writing and phone calling.
And thanks for proving my point. I have to justify myself to people like you because you automatically just assume someone who is Jewish is a Zionist unless they specifically tell you otherwise.
Cool. I appreciate knowing that. I try to spend minimal time online. Thanks for being a decent person.
I can’t go out and protest because I’m suffering from a long-term illness
Sorry about that. I didn’t literally mean protest but more resistance. I changed the wording.
I have to justify myself to people like you because you automatically just assume someone who is Jewish is a Zionist unless they specifically tell you otherwise.
You asked if you’re to “shoulder blame” for the genocide so I asked about your position on zionism. This is a completely reasonable response.
My conclusion is that you’re not to blame for this genocide. Doing much better than most people.
I brought up “they” because it doesn’t matter if it’s you or somebody else. It doesn’t matter if you’re jewish zionist or christian zionist or atheist zionist or whatever.
If someone asks if they’re responsible for genocide, it’s completely reasonable to ask if they support genocide. Thank you again for saying no.
I bet you’d never assume a Muslim supports terrorism unless they prove otherwise.
I would advise you cease with the islamophobia though. It doesn’t help anybody to promote the narrative of jews vs muslims. Nor the narrative of muslims as terrorists. If you’re actually concerned about these things (doubtful), I recommend ceasing with the racist BS. It’s a symptom of your extreme privilege.
Considering that I’ve already been told outright by someone that I was a Zionist and another expected me to justify that I wasn’t, I wouldn’t say that.
it’s because you’ve spent nearly a year using your platform to defend Israel’s actions.
That is just a lie. I have no idea why you’re lying, but that is just a lie. Anyone can look at my post history and see that you’re lying. I will be happy to give many recent and old examples of this.
But I’m not at all surprised you’re doing exactly what I predicted. I’m literally calling it genocide in the post you’re responding to but I still somehow defend Israel to you.
I think you proved my point.
Edit: Holy shit, my “moderate” “support” of Israel goes back to four years ago on Reddit at least!
You know how all those supporters of Israel want a one state solution where everyone lives together and everyone gets the same rights.
I proved your point if you don’t bother to read past the first sentence, sure. If you can’t be bothered to do more than that, your attempt at rebranding yourself is even lazier than it first seemed. I explicitly said you’ve become more moderate. Just so it’s clear, to most of the rest of the world, recognising what’s happening as genocide is moderate.
You got caught banning someone for pointing out hypocrisy on missile strikes and demanding people decry Hamas before they’re allowed to participate, the exact “both sides!” behaviour and purity tests being used to silence genocide opposition in both the US and Israel. Unless that’s some other cephalopod-themed moderator with dozens of posts a day I’m thinking of. In which case, sorry?
I will repeat myself: nobody would know you were Jewish if you did not bring it up. I’m judging you by your “irrelevant” actions, not your heritage. Without bringing it up, you would be presumed just another miseducation Yankee who doesn’t (and never will, based on your 4 year old screenshot in your edit) understand that self-determination doesn’t come with “unless you decide to do it wrong”.
nobody would know you were Jewish if you did not bring it up.
Yes. I am proud of my heritage. I come from an ethnicity that has faced centuries of oppression and genocide and still survived to produce me and the culture I grew up in. Why shouldn’t I bring it up?
I will repeat myself: nobody would know you were Jewish if you did not bring it up. I’m judging you by your “irrelevant” actions, not your heritage.
You’re judging me by my banning of Linkerbaan, who has accused every moderator who ever banned him of being a Zionist and just got an instance-wide ban from both Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml for constantly getting banned for violating rules, then claiming it was because of Zionist moderators.
You know, rather than judging me by the four year old Reddit screenshot that proves you’re just a liar.
It’s all the other people claiming I’m the one responsible for the genocide.
If you were on the receiving end of “do you renounce Israel’s actions” and “you killed Jesus” on a regular basis, you’d understand.
Similarly, ask a Muslim how they feel every time there’s a Muslim terrorist that does something atrocious. You’ll get a very similar answer: “am I going to have to tell people I had nothing to do with this one too?”
I’m sorry, I did the worst possible Internet thing and assumed intent and perspective. Clearly I was in the wrong. I deleted my comment for being unproductive in the first place
It’s all the other people claiming I’m the one responsible for the genocide.
Are these people in the room with you now?
Similarly, ask a Muslim how they feel every time there’s a Muslim terrorist that does something atrocious. You’ll get a very similar answer: “am I going to have to tell people I had nothing to do with this one too?”
Yes this happens all the time to muslims in very public ways. It’s become a meme. I haven’t seen a single jewish person asked to denounce zionism in the same way ever. Not in the imperial/usa media. Can you post a clip or something?
No, but they have been in the room with me many times in my life. Are you really unaware that people think Israeli = Jew and Jew = Christ killer?
Much like people think Muslim = terrorist.
Maybe you come from a privileged position where you do not regularly experience bigotry. Lucky you. I look as stereotypically Jewish as Woody Allen so I don’t have that privilege.
I’ll restate that you never said you were jewish. And it’s irrelevant since most zionists in the usa are christian.
Are you really unaware that people think Israeli = Jew and Jew = Christ killer?
People think all kinds of things. Who’s been calling you a christ killer?
Maybe you come from a privileged position where you do not regularly experience bigotry.
I come from a privileged position where I know plenty of people from plenty of religions. I think everybody is generally cool except for the zionists (both jewish, christian and others) who are at a minimum complicit in genocide.
I look as stereotypically Jewish as Woody Allen so I don’t have that privilege.
Many people look “stereotypically jewish” because it’s a pseudo-scientific stereotype. Nobody is meaningfully oppressed in usa for looking like Woody Allen. You have extreme white privilege that you’re apparently unaware of.
Edit: Oh look, it literally just happened
You asked Lemmy if you were complicit in genocide, so I asked you if you’re complicit in genocide. You said no. I said thank you. How shocking that this would happen.
I didn’t delete any comment. My reply to you is right there. Why are you lying?
(Edit: In fact, there are no deleted comments in my recent post history. They show up in post histories. I generally only delete comments when I reply to the wrong person.)
And I said in my very first post that people assume I’m responsible for the genocide in Gaza because of my ancestry. Which obviously means I’m Jewish.
Also, I never said I didn’t have white privilege. You can have white privilege and also be the victim of bigotry and oppression because of your ethnicity. See also: Roma people, Irish Travelers.
And are you really not aware of the whole “Jews are Christ killers” bigotry? Because here, this should educate you:
Sorry I got the threads confused. I’m familiar with the “christ killer” thing but I haven’t seen it on Lemmy apart from you linking to it (sus). A sad irony is that I imagine this theory is most popular among christian zionists.
More generally, if you’re actually anti-zionist, then thanks for being a decent person regardless of your religion. I’m not going to waste any more energy arguing if we actually agree on what’s important. Have a nice weekend.
Am I to be expected to shoulder personal blame for that genocide too? Because the one in Gaza is already apparently my fault because of my ancestry.
The vast majority of zionists in usa are christian.
If someone supports zionism, then yes the genocide is partially their fault.
Otherwise, stop complaining and join the resistance.
Not that it’s any of your fucking business, but I’m part of Jewish Voices for Peace.
Also not that it’s any of your business, but I can’t go out and protest because I’m suffering from a long-term illness which gives me low energy, so I have to keep my activism confined to writing and phone calling.
And thanks for proving my point. I have to justify myself to people like you because you automatically just assume someone who is Jewish is a Zionist unless they specifically tell you otherwise.
You’re the one who brought it up.
Cool. I appreciate knowing that. I try to spend minimal time online. Thanks for being a decent person.
Sorry about that. I didn’t literally mean protest but more resistance. I changed the wording.
You asked if you’re to “shoulder blame” for the genocide so I asked about your position on zionism. This is a completely reasonable response.
My conclusion is that you’re not to blame for this genocide. Doing much better than most people.
I brought it up specifically to show that people like you assume Jews support Israel unless they prove otherwise. And you showed that I was right.
I bet you’d never assume a Muslim supports terrorism unless they prove otherwise.
I wish I could say the same for you.
If someone asks me if they should be responsible for genocide, and I respond by asking if they support genocide… Am I somehow bad?
You didn’t even mention being jewish but it’s mostly irrelevant. The vast majority of zionists in usa are christian.
I said nothing about “they.” This is what I said:
And the second sentence makes it very clear that I’m Jewish.
You either didn’t actually bother reading what I wrote or you’re being very dishonest right now.
I brought up “they” because it doesn’t matter if it’s you or somebody else. It doesn’t matter if you’re jewish zionist or christian zionist or atheist zionist or whatever.
If someone asks if they’re responsible for genocide, it’s completely reasonable to ask if they support genocide. Thank you again for saying no.
I would advise you cease with the islamophobia though. It doesn’t help anybody to promote the narrative of jews vs muslims. Nor the narrative of muslims as terrorists. If you’re actually concerned about these things (doubtful), I recommend ceasing with the racist BS. It’s a symptom of your extreme privilege.
Why did you lie about me deleting a comment? It was a very silly lie when everyone can see that a comment was deleted, so why did you make it?
Also, your “extreme privilege” thing suggests you don’t believe antisemitism exists. I hope you realize that.
The way you respond makes me think you intentionally want to get into arguments
What am I supposed to say? “You’re right, I’m a Jew, therefore go Israel!”
No don’t say that. Nobody said you should say that
Considering that I’ve already been told outright by someone that I was a Zionist and another expected me to justify that I wasn’t, I wouldn’t say that.
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That is just a lie. I have no idea why you’re lying, but that is just a lie. Anyone can look at my post history and see that you’re lying. I will be happy to give many recent and old examples of this.
But I’m not at all surprised you’re doing exactly what I predicted. I’m literally calling it genocide in the post you’re responding to but I still somehow defend Israel to you.
I think you proved my point.
Edit: Holy shit, my “moderate” “support” of Israel goes back to four years ago on Reddit at least!
You know how all those supporters of Israel want a one state solution where everyone lives together and everyone gets the same rights.
I proved your point if you don’t bother to read past the first sentence, sure. If you can’t be bothered to do more than that, your attempt at rebranding yourself is even lazier than it first seemed. I explicitly said you’ve become more moderate. Just so it’s clear, to most of the rest of the world, recognising what’s happening as genocide is moderate.
You got caught banning someone for pointing out hypocrisy on missile strikes and demanding people decry Hamas before they’re allowed to participate, the exact “both sides!” behaviour and purity tests being used to silence genocide opposition in both the US and Israel. Unless that’s some other cephalopod-themed moderator with dozens of posts a day I’m thinking of. In which case, sorry?
I don’t really care about your irrelevant banning gripe.
This is about Jews being accused of supporting Israel even when they regularly denounce Israel.
Which you just did.
You proved my point. Thank you.
I will repeat myself: nobody would know you were Jewish if you did not bring it up. I’m judging you by your “irrelevant” actions, not your heritage. Without bringing it up, you would be presumed just another miseducation Yankee who doesn’t (and never will, based on your 4 year old screenshot in your edit) understand that self-determination doesn’t come with “unless you decide to do it wrong”.
Yes. I am proud of my heritage. I come from an ethnicity that has faced centuries of oppression and genocide and still survived to produce me and the culture I grew up in. Why shouldn’t I bring it up?
You’re judging me by my banning of Linkerbaan, who has accused every moderator who ever banned him of being a Zionist and just got an instance-wide ban from both Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml for constantly getting banned for violating rules, then claiming it was because of Zionist moderators.
You know, rather than judging me by the four year old Reddit screenshot that proves you’re just a liar.
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Edit: I’m sorry, I did the worst possible Internet thing and assumed intent and perspective. Clearly I was in the wrong and I deleted my comment
I am not the one making genocide about me.
It’s all the other people claiming I’m the one responsible for the genocide.
If you were on the receiving end of “do you renounce Israel’s actions” and “you killed Jesus” on a regular basis, you’d understand.
Similarly, ask a Muslim how they feel every time there’s a Muslim terrorist that does something atrocious. You’ll get a very similar answer: “am I going to have to tell people I had nothing to do with this one too?”
Edit: The Octonaut just proved my point for me.
I’m sorry, I did the worst possible Internet thing and assumed intent and perspective. Clearly I was in the wrong. I deleted my comment for being unproductive in the first place
No worries. Thank you.
Are these people in the room with you now?
Yes this happens all the time to muslims in very public ways. It’s become a meme. I haven’t seen a single jewish person asked to denounce zionism in the same way ever. Not in the imperial/usa media. Can you post a clip or something?
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/do-you-condemn-hamas
No, but they have been in the room with me many times in my life. Are you really unaware that people think Israeli = Jew and Jew = Christ killer?
Much like people think Muslim = terrorist.
Maybe you come from a privileged position where you do not regularly experience bigotry. Lucky you. I look as stereotypically Jewish as Woody Allen so I don’t have that privilege.
Edit: Oh look, it literally just happened- https://lemmy.world/comment/12863076
Since you deleted your other comment…
I’ll restate that you never said you were jewish. And it’s irrelevant since most zionists in the usa are christian.
People think all kinds of things. Who’s been calling you a christ killer?
I come from a privileged position where I know plenty of people from plenty of religions. I think everybody is generally cool except for the zionists (both jewish, christian and others) who are at a minimum complicit in genocide.
Many people look “stereotypically jewish” because it’s a pseudo-scientific stereotype. Nobody is meaningfully oppressed in usa for looking like Woody Allen. You have extreme white privilege that you’re apparently unaware of.
You asked Lemmy if you were complicit in genocide, so I asked you if you’re complicit in genocide. You said no. I said thank you. How shocking that this would happen.
I didn’t delete any comment. My reply to you is right there. Why are you lying?
(Edit: In fact, there are no deleted comments in my recent post history. They show up in post histories. I generally only delete comments when I reply to the wrong person.)
And I said in my very first post that people assume I’m responsible for the genocide in Gaza because of my ancestry. Which obviously means I’m Jewish.
Also, I never said I didn’t have white privilege. You can have white privilege and also be the victim of bigotry and oppression because of your ethnicity. See also: Roma people, Irish Travelers.
And are you really not aware of the whole “Jews are Christ killers” bigotry? Because here, this should educate you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_deicide
Lucky you to not have anyone treat you like shit for killing their god.
Sorry I got the threads confused. I’m familiar with the “christ killer” thing but I haven’t seen it on Lemmy apart from you linking to it (sus). A sad irony is that I imagine this theory is most popular among christian zionists.
More generally, if you’re actually anti-zionist, then thanks for being a decent person regardless of your religion. I’m not going to waste any more energy arguing if we actually agree on what’s important. Have a nice weekend.
I have never suggested that I have encountered it on Lemmy. Because I haven’t.