• phar@lemmy.world
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      It’s like you didn’t read what I said. Your link does not say that the people of Ukraine are willing to surrender. You are reading into it what you, apparently, want to. Citizens in ever war want negotiations to win out. That’s hugely different from voting to surrender.

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              It’s a sacrifice Putin wants to make, but unfortunately they’re fighting back instead of surrendering and waiting for mass deportations to concentration camps

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                If by “fighting back”, you mean the government is forcing civilians to die on the front line until they run out of civilians, despite the majority wanting to stop fighting immediately, sure. But I don’t support that.

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              I’m not making the sacrifice. It’s not up to me. It’s up to the invader (Russia) to stop invading other countries, or it’s up to Ukraine to surrender. If they surrender though there’s no guarantee that they’ll live anyway. It’s not like Russia doesn’t have a history of genociding the people after they invade them.

              Why do you think countries should be able to invade other countries? Why aren’t you complaining about Russia invading? They could stop whenever they want, right?

              Also, you mentioned a report of Ukrainians wanting the war to end. Obviously they do. Who wouldn’t. That’s not the same as surrendering though. Russia could stop aggressing. Alternatively to your presentation, 71% of Ukrainians say they’re happy right now. It’s about the same as before the invasion started currently. That’s certainly not what a group who wants to surrender would say.

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          No one wants to keep fighting except those controlling it. Really this comes down to Putin continuing to fight, though. He’s the one person that can put a stop to everything, right now.

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            ???

            The leaders of every NATO country are loving this, lol. Their plan is a war of attrition with Russia, using every last Ukrainian.