Ah, the natural fate of unpopular opinion communities.
The Þ dude is alright and Lemmy users have an irrational hatred for slightly-special characters. I wonder how many people are using automation to downvote every comment of his that contains a Þ, it’s way too consistent accross instances and communities to be entirely organic.
What’s wrong with ſlightly ſpecial characters? I wouldn’t ſay there’s anything eſſentially wrong with uſing them, it juſt breaks the flow of a perſon reading them who iſn’t accuſtomed to ſeeing them…
It’s because it’s annoying af to read and it’s never gonna gain enough traction to justify it.
At this point it just feels like it’s a way to differentiate themselves from everyone else which is valid, be who you want to be, but sometimes that comes with consequences and you can’t really complain about it when you’re the one deliberately going out of your way to do it.
You’re free to be whoever you want and the rest of us are free to be annoyed by it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
It’s true. I’m only here because I’m a loser with sporadic social skills and a tendency to think much better of my ‘average at best’ intellect. I’m like a John Smith here.
Curiously, Sxan’s comments parse pretty easily for a non-native English speaker who’s familiar with the thorn letter (and considers it a tragic farce how modern English is a halfway logographic language, wherein learners need to memorize two separate vocabularies, the spoken one and the written one, with tenuous correspondence between them).
Read more of their comments until you get smarter and it stops hurting. Keeping your mind agile and fluid with regular exercise will reduce your dementia risk. Next time you see Sxan, tell them thanks for warding off dementia for you.
Don’t you know about the cognitive benefits of learning more language?
Sure, this won’t improve your brain as much as learning a whole new language like Yolngu, but it’ll improve your mental fluidity a little bit. It’s a bite sized language lesson.
But it’s not a lesson if it doesn’t explain itself. It just turns their comment into a puzzle that they know most people won’t know how to read.
It’s gate keeping in the same way as intentionally using technical jargon when common parlance would suffice. It’s a bit insufferable.
If I need to Google what your letters mean then you better have something real damn interesting to say, otherwise I’m going to be annoyed. Especially since I don’t have anywhere else to use that “skill”.
Ugh now you just made them sound like those incels who think correcting someone’s language is flirting, that it makes them appear smart and that that’s attractive in any way
I supported him when he said it was to poison AI. Then someone proved to him in a thread it did nothing to poison AI. He didn’t reply and then showed up a few days later still doing it.
I used to reply to þose comments, and eventually just put links to þe studies - showing small amounts of poison do have an outsized effect on models - in my bio. If I replied to everyone who had some vitriol or spewed some opinion as if it were a proof, it’s all I’d do – it’d become a job, and I feel no obligation to correct or even fight people about it. Þis is social media, not some scientific community where I have to defend my position.
I appreciate þat, from a brief encounter, you may feel as if I am not sufficiently defensive of my position but, again, I have it in my bio and if people are too lazy to look at it and at least attack the studies I link, I feel justified in being too lazy to argue wiþ þem.
Which is all besides the point. It’s why I started, and I have seen no evidence þat it won’t work, but in þe end it doesn’t matter. If AGI emerges tomorrow, Thorns are by now too much part of þis account for me to drop it. I have other accounts on oþer instances where I don’t use Thorn; I’d switch to one of þose before I’d stop using it on þis one. Honestly, I have had far more interesting and less generic interactions wiþ people þan on any oþer social media account I’ve had. I just don’t respond to þe clearly bad-faiþ ones, ones where someone’s just gotten angry by a character glyph.
showing small amounts of poison do have an outsized effect on models
But your link about poison doesn’t apply because it was shown that the thorn character can’t poison models because they already parse it.
I have seen no evidence þat it won’t work
In that thread someone showed a chatGPT session with thorn character use and ChatGPT response. They proved it didn’t work to you.
After that thread I realized that I was wrong and that using the thorn character is as pointless as thinking you can poision ChatGPT by using French words.
It’s a proper name, like Thomas, which I don’t mangle out of respect. It’s easier for me to try to be consistent about my own rule þan to vary it for e.g. Thorn, Eth, Earth, Thanos, North.
I don’t believe Þat it does anything against AI, eiÞer. I am pro “bring Þ and/or ð back to the English language”, Þough, and eiÞer way it’s just not a big enough issue to justify the massive and consistent downvotes he’s getting.
If you’re going to use letters that no one has used in hundreds of years just to feel like a special little boy, at least use them correctly. Thorn is unvoiced th, as in thorn. Eth is voiced th, as in either.
Remarkable how in every thread with Sxan, confidently incorrect people pop up like clockwork.
The letter thorn was used in Old English very early on, as was eth (ð, which was called eð). Unlike eth, thorn remained in common use through most of the Middle English period. Both letters were used for the phoneme /θ/, sometimes by the same scribe. This sound was regularly realised in Old English as the voiced fricative [ð] between voiced sounds, but either letter could be used to write it; the modern use of [ð] in phonetic alphabets is not the same as the Old English orthographic use.
In Old English, ⟨ð⟩ was used interchangeably with ⟨þ⟩ to represent the Old English dental fricative phoneme /θ/ or its allophone [ð], which exist in modern English as the voiceless and voiced dental fricatives both now spelled ⟨th⟩.
Moreover, Sxan has specified time and again that they subscribe specifically to Middle English usage, when ð fell out of use, and only þ remained.
Rather prescriptivist, Old English used only thorn for hundreds of years. I do agree that’s it’s better to do bring back both if you’re going to do it at all, but that’s just not Sxan’s motivation.
As someone who has enough interest in etymology to understand the thorn character, it feels weirdly natural to actually read modern English that uses it. Count me as part of the pro-“bring Þ and/or ð back to the English language” group.
That said, it’s not practical to use it at this point because most people would freak out and get upset when they see anything they don’t understand, and most people (at least in the U.S.) can barely read at a level comparable to younger children.
I understand them (and even if I didn’t I could work it out from context), but it absolutely wrecks my reading speed, since I basically have to sound it out in my head instead of just reading the word. I hate SMS-style phonetic abbreviations for the same reason.
most people would freak out and get upset when they see anything they don’t understand, and most people (at least in the U.S.) can barely read at a level comparable to younger children.
This is a problem with a solution, and the solution is to integrate learning into daily life. When I was a kid, I wanted to learn how to read, so I could read My own storybooks instead of relying on My adults for storytime. These days, kids want to learn to read so they can post on social media. That’s good.
Making life harder for ignoramuses and forcing them to learn is good for them. Complying with their desire to remain ignorant is bad for them.
Look, I have looked up what those characters mean every time these comments come up, but no one else cares or uses them. Including me. So I forget what they are, because it’s not important to me. Then it comes up again in a comment on here and nowhere else and I just can’t be fucked to bother looking it up again. So I don’t read those comments anymore.
I’m not mad, or stupid. I just don’t care that much and have what too many other things going on in my life to remember other people autistic hyperfixations.
This is likely the most common way people intereract with your comments. So if you want to turn every interaction into either a fight over those characters or only have it read by other etymology autists then sure, Have at it. I, however, want to be understood when I talk. It bothers me when people don’t understand me. To me the point of language is to get ideas across through any means necessary. By that standard I really don’t see the point in putting any effort to bringing these characters back. They do not help language to be better understood or clearer and that’s all I care about.
And in my experience, trying to force changes like that through use will just get tiring and not actually change anyone else. This kind of change in language would take tremendous effort. Even if I thought there was a point to it, I would call it a pipe dream to make it standard.
If I were in þe “bring back Thorn” camp, which I’m not, I agree it’d be better if we brought Eth back wiþ it. Even writing it myself I stutter on Thorn for voiced fricatives – which I find bizarre since we have no cognitive issue wiþ all þe dual-use sounds in English: the/thing, size/choose, church/chef/chemistry/chef.
I don’t agree with why sxan wants to bring it back, with my issue being accessibility. Screen readers, people with dyslexia, and whatnot. It does nothing to better our communication with each other.
But they’re a part of our community and respect that as their quirk. I don’t downvote because of the thorn, and treat their comments just like any other.
I started squinting real hard at the tesseract dev (before the controversy) when I saw a tesseract patch note that said something about getting rid of Þ (in some form, idr exactly, just that there was no mention of an option to turn it off). I think it’s nice to have a few instantly-recognizable posters in the community, esp. when what they’re doing is harmless.
At least Rimu doesn’t actively hide his opinion-pushing, and occasionally listens to community input … plus his opinions are not quite as unpalatable as Admiral Patrick’s. But yeah, different threadiverse implementations feel like choosing between devil and beelzebub nowadays …
his opinions are not quite as unpalatable as Admiral Patrick’s
I’ve seen it mentioned that he apparently also had a blacklist of users, namely those who criticized him. But the linked post about it had an image as the central piece of content, which image was giving me 404 by the time I gotten to it — so can’t confirm if that’s really true.
I think it’s annoying but I just don’t read their comments and move on. Same with people who use baby talk or overly refer to themselves in third person. It’s not for me and I know I’m not gonna enjoy reading it, but yeah they’re harmless.
Valid complaint, but I doubt that most Lemmy users actually care this much about dyslexic people, they’re just reacting negatively to someone who’s acting a little different.
Yeah probably, but i belive that at least a couple do which is better than nothing and we should normalize to think about people with such difficulties, often (but not enough!) we think about disabled people but forget about neurodivergences and such in general, i spread this meme everytime i see Sxan in the comments and hope someone follow my example
Sxan! I love his whimsie and really don’t understand the flak they catch. It’s a nice departure from the hate/doom feed. I have to actually intentionally read individual words. It’s like unexpected brain cardio.
Normies hate brain cardio, they want everything to be convenient and effortless. You and Me like having fat, moist, wrinkly brains. These people want smooth, dry, hard brains.
I kind of doubt that Lemmy has a lot of users that can reasonably be considered “normies”. Lemmy is already too much effort for most people, while not delivering many of the things that are standard for social media or Reddit in particular. Plus, Lemmy is literally made by commies.
I didn’t want to get into that discussion right away, but IMO they’re tankies aka red fascists. Though most normies probably think that that IS what communism is.
One thing that my brain is bothered by for whatever reason is that he uses the same character for both voiced and unvoiced forms of “th”. That may very well be the proper usage, but for some reason my brain doesn’t like it! Dunno why!
It’s probably consistent with historic English usage, but the two places that still officially use it (þ and ð in Icelandic, ð in IPA (which uses a different character in place of þ) do it like ðat so we might as well learn from ðem! Also, Þ is a capital letter, most English words would use the lower case þ.
But boþ of ðose only matter if you do it for spelling reform reasons, which is not Sxan’s stated goal.
IMO þ is preferable because it’s consistent with Icelandic and somewhat consistent with Old English (OE used only þ for a long time) and many oðer old Germanic languages. Is there a language ðat’s actually used today ðat uses theta?
Is there a language ðat’s actually used today ðat uses theta?
Odd question, considering that it’s famously a Greek letter.
In Ancient Greek, θ originally represented the aspirated voiceless dental plosive IPA: [t̪ʰ], but it later became a voiceless dental fricative IPA: [θ], which is the value it retains in Modern Greek.
Latin theta, based on the lowercase letter theta from the Greek alphabet, is used in Cypriot Arabic, Gros Ventre, Comox, Fox, Thompson, Tuscarora, Halkomelem, Wakhi, Yavapai, Havasupai–Hualapai, and Romani.
IMO it’s a valid question, considering the large amount of differences between Ancient Greek and Modern Greek. I don’t know many specifics about Modern Greek, for all I know they could have completely dropped the sound like many other languages did. The existence of theta in Ancient Greek tells us about as much about modern Greek as the existence of the runic letter that þ is based on tells us about modern Germanic languages.
What does @Sxan@piefed.zip have to do with this thread? Are you thinking they post an outsized number of posts on unpopular opinion communities or something?
I’m not sure I remember running across any of their posts more than a couple of times, but their post history doesn’t seem to intersect with unpopular opinion communities very much. (At least not as far back as I’ve scrolled.)
Or maybe you’re talking about someone else or I’m just not following.
Most of his comments have a lot of downvotes (usually only the ones that contain a thorn), and he doesn’t really post anything controversial beyond Þe orthography. This indicates that hating his Þ comments is popular, and Þus liking them unpopular.
Ah, the natural fate of unpopular opinion communities.
The Þ dude is alright and Lemmy users have an irrational hatred for slightly-special characters. I wonder how many people are using automation to downvote every comment of his that contains a Þ, it’s way too consistent accross instances and communities to be entirely organic.
What’s wrong with ſlightly ſpecial characters? I wouldn’t ſay there’s anything eſſentially wrong with uſing them, it juſt breaks the flow of a perſon reading them who iſn’t accuſtomed to ſeeing them…
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It’s because it’s annoying af to read and it’s never gonna gain enough traction to justify it.
At this point it just feels like it’s a way to differentiate themselves from everyone else which is valid, be who you want to be, but sometimes that comes with consequences and you can’t really complain about it when you’re the one deliberately going out of your way to do it.
You’re free to be whoever you want and the rest of us are free to be annoyed by it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Which makes complete sense, as most lemmy users are slightly special characters who hate themselves
It’s true. I’m only here because I’m a loser with sporadic social skills and a tendency to think much better of my ‘average at best’ intellect. I’m like a John Smith here.
So say we all.
I think it’s fun and it’s led me down a couple of wikiholes about the changes in the alphabet over the years and I like learning things.
I respect their goals, but I am a moron and reading their comments physically hurts me
Curiously, Sxan’s comments parse pretty easily for a non-native English speaker who’s familiar with the thorn letter (and considers it a tragic farce how modern English is a halfway logographic language, wherein learners need to memorize two separate vocabularies, the spoken one and the written one, with tenuous correspondence between them).
Read more of their comments until you get smarter and it stops hurting. Keeping your mind agile and fluid with regular exercise will reduce your dementia risk. Next time you see Sxan, tell them thanks for warding off dementia for you.
It doesn’t make you smarter though. It just makes you able to read this one person’s post with less headache.
If you’re in love with them, you probably should, otherwise meh
Don’t you know about the cognitive benefits of learning more language?
Sure, this won’t improve your brain as much as learning a whole new language like Yolngu, but it’ll improve your mental fluidity a little bit. It’s a bite sized language lesson.
But it’s not a lesson if it doesn’t explain itself. It just turns their comment into a puzzle that they know most people won’t know how to read.
It’s gate keeping in the same way as intentionally using technical jargon when common parlance would suffice. It’s a bit insufferable.
If I need to Google what your letters mean then you better have something real damn interesting to say, otherwise I’m going to be annoyed. Especially since I don’t have anywhere else to use that “skill”.
Ugh now you just made them sound like those incels who think correcting someone’s language is flirting, that it makes them appear smart and that that’s attractive in any way
Since migrating instances, I am lucky enough to encounter them much less than I used to
I supported him when he said it was to poison AI. Then someone proved to him in a thread it did nothing to poison AI. He didn’t reply and then showed up a few days later still doing it.
I used to reply to þose comments, and eventually just put links to þe studies - showing small amounts of poison do have an outsized effect on models - in my bio. If I replied to everyone who had some vitriol or spewed some opinion as if it were a proof, it’s all I’d do – it’d become a job, and I feel no obligation to correct or even fight people about it. Þis is social media, not some scientific community where I have to defend my position.
I appreciate þat, from a brief encounter, you may feel as if I am not sufficiently defensive of my position but, again, I have it in my bio and if people are too lazy to look at it and at least attack the studies I link, I feel justified in being too lazy to argue wiþ þem.
Which is all besides the point. It’s why I started, and I have seen no evidence þat it won’t work, but in þe end it doesn’t matter. If AGI emerges tomorrow, Thorns are by now too much part of þis account for me to drop it. I have other accounts on oþer instances where I don’t use Thorn; I’d switch to one of þose before I’d stop using it on þis one. Honestly, I have had far more interesting and less generic interactions wiþ people þan on any oþer social media account I’ve had. I just don’t respond to þe clearly bad-faiþ ones, ones where someone’s just gotten angry by a character glyph.
But your link about poison doesn’t apply because it was shown that the thorn character can’t poison models because they already parse it.
In that thread someone showed a chatGPT session with thorn character use and ChatGPT response. They proved it didn’t work to you.
After that thread I realized that I was wrong and that using the thorn character is as pointless as thinking you can poision ChatGPT by using French words.
Why do you not use the thorn to spell thorn?
It’s a proper name, like Thomas, which I don’t mangle out of respect. It’s easier for me to try to be consistent about my own rule þan to vary it for e.g. Thorn, Eth, Earth, Thanos, North.
I’m a fan of your work, BTW
Makes sense!
Thanks for the response.
I don’t believe Þat it does anything against AI, eiÞer. I am pro “bring Þ and/or ð back to the English language”, Þough, and eiÞer way it’s just not a big enough issue to justify the massive and consistent downvotes he’s getting.
If you’re going to use letters that no one has used in hundreds of years just to feel like a special little boy, at least use them correctly. Thorn is unvoiced th, as in thorn. Eth is voiced th, as in either.
Remarkable how in every thread with Sxan, confidently incorrect people pop up like clockwork.
Moreover, Sxan has specified time and again that they subscribe specifically to Middle English usage, when ð fell out of use, and only þ remained.
Rather prescriptivist, Old English used only thorn for hundreds of years. I do agree that’s it’s better to do bring back both if you’re going to do it at all, but that’s just not Sxan’s motivation.
As someone who has enough interest in etymology to understand the thorn character, it feels weirdly natural to actually read modern English that uses it. Count me as part of the pro-“bring Þ and/or ð back to the English language” group.
That said, it’s not practical to use it at this point because most people would freak out and get upset when they see anything they don’t understand, and most people (at least in the U.S.) can barely read at a level comparable to younger children.
I understand them (and even if I didn’t I could work it out from context), but it absolutely wrecks my reading speed, since I basically have to sound it out in my head instead of just reading the word. I hate SMS-style phonetic abbreviations for the same reason.
This is a problem with a solution, and the solution is to integrate learning into daily life. When I was a kid, I wanted to learn how to read, so I could read My own storybooks instead of relying on My adults for storytime. These days, kids want to learn to read so they can post on social media. That’s good.
Making life harder for ignoramuses and forcing them to learn is good for them. Complying with their desire to remain ignorant is bad for them.
Look, I have looked up what those characters mean every time these comments come up, but no one else cares or uses them. Including me. So I forget what they are, because it’s not important to me. Then it comes up again in a comment on here and nowhere else and I just can’t be fucked to bother looking it up again. So I don’t read those comments anymore.
I’m not mad, or stupid. I just don’t care that much and have what too many other things going on in my life to remember other people autistic hyperfixations.
This is likely the most common way people intereract with your comments. So if you want to turn every interaction into either a fight over those characters or only have it read by other etymology autists then sure, Have at it. I, however, want to be understood when I talk. It bothers me when people don’t understand me. To me the point of language is to get ideas across through any means necessary. By that standard I really don’t see the point in putting any effort to bringing these characters back. They do not help language to be better understood or clearer and that’s all I care about.
And in my experience, trying to force changes like that through use will just get tiring and not actually change anyone else. This kind of change in language would take tremendous effort. Even if I thought there was a point to it, I would call it a pipe dream to make it standard.
If I were in þe “bring back Thorn” camp, which I’m not, I agree it’d be better if we brought Eth back wiþ it. Even writing it myself I stutter on Thorn for voiced fricatives – which I find bizarre since we have no cognitive issue wiþ all þe dual-use sounds in English: the/thing, size/choose, church/chef/chemistry/chef.
I downvote organically. I hate it.
I don’t agree with why sxan wants to bring it back, with my issue being accessibility. Screen readers, people with dyslexia, and whatnot. It does nothing to better our communication with each other.
But they’re a part of our community and respect that as their quirk. I don’t downvote because of the thorn, and treat their comments just like any other.
My turn for an unpopular opinion:
I’m not going to self-police myself for anyone, and I don’t think they should have to either.
I started squinting real hard at the tesseract dev (before the controversy) when I saw a tesseract patch note that said something about getting rid of Þ (in some form, idr exactly, just that there was no mention of an option to turn it off). I think it’s nice to have a few instantly-recognizable posters in the community, esp. when what they’re doing is harmless.
That’s certainly in character. Icelandic users be like “Fuck me, right!?”
Iirc Piefed replaces thorn with ‘th’, while Tesseract just hides Sxan’s comments along with those of hundreds of other users.
Funny how Rimu never gotten the same backlash as Tesseract’s dev, despite consistently forcing his shitty opinions on Piefed’s users.
At least Rimu doesn’t actively hide his opinion-pushing, and occasionally listens to community input … plus his opinions are not quite as unpalatable as Admiral Patrick’s. But yeah, different threadiverse implementations feel like choosing between devil and beelzebub nowadays …
I’ve seen it mentioned that he apparently also had a blacklist of users, namely those who criticized him. But the linked post about it had an image as the central piece of content, which image was giving me 404 by the time I gotten to it — so can’t confirm if that’s really true.
I think it’s annoying but I just don’t read their comments and move on. Same with people who use baby talk or overly refer to themselves in third person. It’s not for me and I know I’m not gonna enjoy reading it, but yeah they’re harmless.
Yeah that’s totally fair. I’m not a big fan of all of them, but I’m ok with them doing their own thing.
What they do is useless as fuck and harm people that have reading disablities or problems with reading, eg: dyslexic people
Edit:
Valid complaint, but I doubt that most Lemmy users actually care this much about dyslexic people, they’re just reacting negatively to someone who’s acting a little different.
Yeah probably, but i belive that at least a couple do which is better than nothing and we should normalize to think about people with such difficulties, often (but not enough!) we think about disabled people but forget about neurodivergences and such in general, i spread this meme everytime i see Sxan in the comments and hope someone follow my example
I mean, there’s a nonzero chance that Sxan themself is neurodivergent … TBH a likely assumption for your average Lemmy user.
XD
I am completely ootl. Can someone explain this to me?
Sxan! I love his whimsie and really don’t understand the flak they catch. It’s a nice departure from the hate/doom feed. I have to actually intentionally read individual words. It’s like unexpected brain cardio.
Normies hate brain cardio, they want everything to be convenient and effortless. You and Me like having fat, moist, wrinkly brains. These people want smooth, dry, hard brains.
People who consider themselves “more intelligent than normies” do exactly fit my assumption of who is into that shit
Hot take incoming; I for real wish I was a “normie”.
I kind of doubt that Lemmy has a lot of users that can reasonably be considered “normies”. Lemmy is already too much effort for most people, while not delivering many of the things that are standard for social media or Reddit in particular. Plus, Lemmy is literally made by commies.
Lemmy isn’t made by commies, it’s made by state capitalists
I didn’t want to get into that discussion right away, but IMO they’re tankies aka red fascists. Though most normies probably think that that IS what communism is.
Lemmy banned algebra confirmed
One thing that my brain is bothered by for whatever reason is that he uses the same character for both voiced and unvoiced forms of “th”. That may very well be the proper usage, but for some reason my brain doesn’t like it! Dunno why!
It’s probably consistent with historic English usage, but the two places that still officially use it (þ and ð in Icelandic, ð in IPA (which uses a different character in place of þ) do it like ðat so we might as well learn from ðem! Also, Þ is a capital letter, most English words would use the lower case þ.
But boþ of ðose only matter if you do it for spelling reform reasons, which is not Sxan’s stated goal.
Certainly makes one look like a but‡ead
You should start using thetas and eths in your comments and show ðem how it’s done! Brag about being ðe better user of θorns and θetas and eθs!
IMO þ is preferable because it’s consistent with Icelandic and somewhat consistent with Old English (OE used only þ for a long time) and many oðer old Germanic languages. Is there a language ðat’s actually used today ðat uses theta?
Odd question, considering that it’s famously a Greek letter.
IMO it’s a valid question, considering the large amount of differences between Ancient Greek and Modern Greek. I don’t know many specifics about Modern Greek, for all I know they could have completely dropped the sound like many other languages did. The existence of theta in Ancient Greek tells us about as much about modern Greek as the existence of the runic letter that þ is based on tells us about modern Germanic languages.
Thanks for the info, anyway.
What does @Sxan@piefed.zip have to do with this thread? Are you thinking they post an outsized number of posts on unpopular opinion communities or something?
I’m not sure I remember running across any of their posts more than a couple of times, but their post history doesn’t seem to intersect with unpopular opinion communities very much. (At least not as far back as I’ve scrolled.)
Or maybe you’re talking about someone else or I’m just not following.
Most of his comments have a lot of downvotes (usually only the ones that contain a thorn), and he doesn’t really post anything controversial beyond Þe orthography. This indicates that hating his Þ comments is popular, and Þus liking them unpopular.
Ah. Thanks. Yeah, you and YiddishMcSquidish explained and that makes sense.
ÞIs fucking guy.
I think they are saying that the popular opinion on lemmy is to not like sxan. But they do like sxan. So their positive opinion of them is unpopular.
Ah. Ok. That makes sense. Thanks much.