• panthera_@lemmy.today
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    4 days ago

    This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn’t accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.

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      4 days ago

      Nope, they should get out of Crimea too. And it’s up to the Europeans what happens to NATO. Dissolving it is one of Putin’s objectives, and he or his successors should be denied.

      Sanctions against war crimials should stay, and reparations should definitely be on the table. Say a $300 bn investment fund? There’s recent precedent for that when an insane dictator attacks a medium-sized country and fails.

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        3 days ago

        Putin would never accept those terms. The goal is to end the war and stop the bloodshed. Each side is not going to get everything they want.

    • Annoyed_🦀 @lemmy.zip
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      4 days ago

      Do you want fries as a side on that silver plate of Wagyu steak you’re about to serve to Putin?

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        Something has to be given to Putin to entice him to end the war. My proposal would do it with Ukraine losing very little territory.

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        4 days ago

        Too many countries and Putin would say that he is being overwhelmed and must go nuclear.

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          4 days ago

          He says that everything his balls get stuck to the side of his leg, it’s just a reflex at this point.

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      4 days ago

      Putin has nothing to demand of NATO. It was specifically created to counter the expansionism of countries like Russia.

      It will never get dissolved as long as those kinds of countries still exist.

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        3 days ago

        Dissolving NATO would entice Putin to accept my proposal to end the war in Ukraine. A European alliance which would include Ukraine should be capable of deterring Russian aggression.