I feel like it’s always not POC who feel weird about it. Lemmy is a Western site, Westerners are known for being not just racist but violently racist (white supremacy is the “ideology” that allows for colonization and Transatlantic slave trade after all, and places like America have ICE for brown people and the police for black people, many of these folks will just end up being incarcerated and enslaved like back in the day), plus American current admin is openly and loudly racist amongst other things so why should it be surprising that some racist takes/vibes would be felt in a Western (mostly American?) site? You might not notice, ofc, the way a fish doesn’t notice water, but you should expect it at least in theory.
You’re telling on yourselves: you’re either a POS white supremacist in denial, or you’re weak minded and scared of potential accountability to the point you’d rather deny the experience of those who have suffered because of an ethnocultural trait of your peoples. Of course, it’s better to be the latter than the former. 👍
Hasn’t been my experience (I haven’t been to Japan yet, I know they’re xenophobic, lol) but I bet they’re not violent or historically, extremely inhuman about it. And if Lemmy was a majority Japanese site, I also wouldn’t be surprised if most people here held some racist/xenophobic beliefs, of course! They kind of are the Germanics of the East after all, lol. Idk what this means, are you a black guy telling me “it’s not just Westerners!” (ofc, there’s even colourism in African communities, I know because I married into one!) for whatever reason or are you a white dude saying the same? Cause, if it’s the latter, you’re just making my point…
They were violently racist towards Okinawan Japanese at one point, and part of the reason Japan is largely a monoculture now it’s that a lot of the native people on the smaller islands got completely wiped out
Add to that the well known atrocities committed against the Chinese in WW2, backed and fueled by an ideology of racial supremacy, and you can see why they could see eye-to-eye with the West. 🤷
Are black people unverally at the bottom of every racist hierarchy? I imagine some countries distribute their antipathy differently. “I wouldn’t live in country X as a black person because they are obviously racist because of how they treat this non-black population, Y,” doesn’t necessarily follow. Like just because a country treats it’s native population badly, doesn’t necessarily mean they would treat black badly (though it certainly isn’t a good sign).
Not explicitly, but it sounds like it’s a possible background assumption, maybe more to gurty’s comment. Anyway, not accusing anyone of anÿthing. The fear of being called racist stops a lot of people in their tracks, including the track of investigating their underlying assumptions.
I was with you until I got to the last paragraph. You’re not wrong about racism being rampant in the western world, but there’s no reason to sling accusations at OP.
I’m glad to hear it, but I think you misread me at the end. I wasn’t throwing accusations at OP, but at the downvoters who, in my view, can only fall into one of two camps.
I just noticed that the score is positive now but when I got here OP was heavily downvoted.
I’m sensing some resistance here, lol.
I feel like it’s always not POC who feel weird about it. Lemmy is a Western site, Westerners are known for being not just racist but violently racist (white supremacy is the “ideology” that allows for colonization and Transatlantic slave trade after all, and places like America have ICE for brown people and the police for black people, many of these folks will just end up being incarcerated and enslaved like back in the day), plus American current admin is openly and loudly racist amongst other things so why should it be surprising that some racist takes/vibes would be felt in a Western (mostly American?) site? You might not notice, ofc, the way a fish doesn’t notice water, but you should expect it at least in theory.
You’re telling on yourselves: you’re either a POS white supremacist in denial, or you’re weak minded and scared of potential accountability to the point you’d rather deny the experience of those who have suffered because of an ethnocultural trait of your peoples. Of course, it’s better to be the latter than the former. 👍
This may shock you, but there are vile racists all over the globe. Ever tried being a black guy in Japan?
Hasn’t been my experience (I haven’t been to Japan yet, I know they’re xenophobic, lol) but I bet they’re not violent or historically, extremely inhuman about it. And if Lemmy was a majority Japanese site, I also wouldn’t be surprised if most people here held some racist/xenophobic beliefs, of course! They kind of are the Germanics of the East after all, lol. Idk what this means, are you a black guy telling me “it’s not just Westerners!” (ofc, there’s even colourism in African communities, I know because I married into one!) for whatever reason or are you a white dude saying the same? Cause, if it’s the latter, you’re just making my point…
They were violently racist towards Okinawan Japanese at one point, and part of the reason Japan is largely a monoculture now it’s that a lot of the native people on the smaller islands got completely wiped out
Add to that the well known atrocities committed against the Chinese in WW2, backed and fueled by an ideology of racial supremacy, and you can see why they could see eye-to-eye with the West. 🤷
Are black people unverally at the bottom of every racist hierarchy? I imagine some countries distribute their antipathy differently. “I wouldn’t live in country X as a black person because they are obviously racist because of how they treat this non-black population, Y,” doesn’t necessarily follow. Like just because a country treats it’s native population badly, doesn’t necessarily mean they would treat black badly (though it certainly isn’t a good sign).
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You’re creating a rebuttal for an argument that nobody made
Not explicitly, but it sounds like it’s a possible background assumption, maybe more to gurty’s comment. Anyway, not accusing anyone of anÿthing. The fear of being called racist stops a lot of people in their tracks, including the track of investigating their underlying assumptions.
I was with you until I got to the last paragraph. You’re not wrong about racism being rampant in the western world, but there’s no reason to sling accusations at OP.
I’m glad to hear it, but I think you misread me at the end. I wasn’t throwing accusations at OP, but at the downvoters who, in my view, can only fall into one of two camps.
I just noticed that the score is positive now but when I got here OP was heavily downvoted.