Who cares what he says. Do people not believe their own eyes anymore?
Do people not believe their own eyes anymore?
Well… yeah. When news outlet can show a video where something happen while claiming the opposite happened, and people will cheer, yeah. It’s not even that people won’t believe what they see, it’s that it’s overwritten by “some dude in a suit said so”.
how could any professional want to go with this type of thing. You know many people on the internet are going to gather every video from every angle and go through it. Lying now a days is going to stick with you forever.
Lying now a days is going to stick with you forever.
Americans don’t care about delivering consequences to liars and those who repeat the lies, so why does this matter?
US press is pathetic. White House press corp was taken over by right wing influencers and weaklings straight out afraid of Trump. He insults them right in their faces and they all just stare at him blankly. The entire WH Correspondent’s Association capitulated over free speech and just to get Trump to sit at their dinner canceled the traditional entertainment section. Entire fucking networks are cancelling shows Trump doesn’t like. US media was taken over by capitalists and no one stands up for the people anymore. Sad!
US media was taken over by capitalists
I was with you until this… Taken over?
It is true that “market forces” used to be somewhat tempered by cultural ideals around how news media was supposed to operate. Recent decades have seen an increasingly profit driven management as US media has transformed into a much more consolidated industry under the control of fewer and fewer corporations. The US media has always been “capitalist”, but it also has a history of at least giving pretense to serving the public good.
Market forces were tempered by the US government with a policy called the " Fairness Doctrine"
It sounds like what all the news broadcasters say they currently do but in reality they don’t really give equal time to both sides of controversy they just frame things to seem like they talk about both sides while really only pushing the side of a controversy that they are on the side of.
People on Lemmy don’t know what the words they use mean. “Capitalist” just means “bad guy”.
The United States media has always been a capitalist endeavor. I know a lot of people like to pretend that they’re some kind of glorious institution of righteousness. But the end of the day they have always been owned by millionaires and billionaires whose bottom line is to make as much money as humanly possible. The only thing that held them in any amount of check were laws that were put in place to ensure accountability and verisimilitude.
Think around the Clinton era they got rid of some laws that prevent the media frim lying as much. I think only over air broadcast and PBS are held loosely to the original law. They can still have an opinion piece and every night the old people watching get to hear the opinion of a conservattive media mogul tell them what to think, like Sinclair and the other one I forget.
Forgot to mention that Reagan killed the fairness doctrine. Man that guy really fucked America up
The Fairness Doctrine would force MSNBC to air the views of far right cretins. It doesn’t make sense in the modern media landscape.
I don’t think that is correct, the Fairness Doctrine couldn’t apply to MSNBC because they are a cable TV station. The govt. can only regulate licensed spectrum, i.e. actual broadcasts which use the public airwaves. The FCC licenses that spectrum to broadcasters, that is what gave them the capacity to impose the Fairness Doctrine. They have no authority over non-broadcast media like cable TV or the internet.
they also got rid of ownership-limits, used to he a hard cap on how much press/media landscapr a single person/company vould own.
now, 1 vompany owns 70% of radio across the US (and they give free air to republican/aipac politicians)
I think it’s cute that you think it took them all the way to the Clinton presidency for them to strip away those protections against propagandized media.
That is a naïve take. Press organizations in the U.S. have always been private because Americans have historically been very suspicious of the government and wouldn’t trust it to report the news in an unbiased fashion. Private media has worked very well for America for most of its history. It’s only been relatively recently that right-wing rich people have started creating right-wing media sources that skew reality to the extent we see nowadays. And it’s still mainly right-wing publications being the bad actors. Thats why right-wingers are so keen on installing conservative CEOs and having companies run by them buying left-wing media organizations. They don’t want good reporting.
Has it? Has it served the american people? It served the corporate owners of said news organizations, but whether or not it’s actually supplied the things an informed populace needs to know is a different question? What’s your definition of relatively recently I guess?
Yes, it has. Most American news sources have reported about as accurately on current events as news sources from any other developed nation. The right wing ones (and by relatively recently, I would say it started when Fox News started spewing a deliberately skewed narrative in the 1990s) are a good point of comparison, since they clearly operate on a political mandate, whereas the other mainstream outlets are far better about just reporting the news.
So when even non right wing news was hyping the lead up to the Iraq War that was accuracy? The utter glee with which they covered the gulf war? The New York Times, among others, basically dripping with racist lies about the “crack epidemic”? Etc…
Seems to me that what you call accurate is better described as the corporate interpretation of the news. Accuracy has never been the chief concern.
I don’t remember any glee in the press on the Iraq war (maybe from Fox, idk, I’ve never watched them much). As for the crack epidemic, that has more to do with the CIA and racism in society at large than it does bias in the media.
Your contention that all the media outlets are controlled by corporate interests and that none of it is accurate is a biased and pessimistic take. I realize a lot of people on Lemmy are anti-capitalist, but you let it skew your vision of reality too much.
The Gulf War was before Fox was founded. However there absolutely was glee in its coverage by American media.
I strongly deny your assertion that the way the so called crack epidemic was reported on came entirely from the alphabet agencies. I suggest you do a little bit more reading about that, because the way the media in particularly legacy media covered, it was psychotically racist. Look no further than the myriad of new york times editorials about so called crack babies overrunning our hospitals. Now, corporate media doesn’t want you to remember how they reported on it, just like they don’t want you to remember that when people did start reporting on the cia’s complicity it was the ny times and the LA Times in particular who led the attacks on the reporters.
Major media outlets are controlled by corporations, they often are major corporations. This is an indisputable fact. One that absolutely colours, how all media is covered in our nation. It has always been thus. Though please note I never said none of it was accurate. I said it was incredibly biased toward corporate interests. Something nobody could argue against while maintaining any shred of reasonableness.
I don’t remember any glee in the press on the Iraq war
Probably because you just ate it up and never thought about it again. Why would you remember it as anything but “truth” i.e. Iraq was involved in 9/11, Saddam Hussein had WMDs, we were being cheered as liberators by the Iraqi people, the Dixie Chicks were traitors and Jessica Lynch was was getting gang raped the whole time she was a POW. Because that was what was being reported in the US media at that time.
You don’t remember how the media directly aided the Bush administration’s lies to justify the Iraq War?
Yeah, obviously part of the problem is that Americans are not that smart. In other countries people want unbiased media because they know the value of being informed. Being caught spreading misinformation is an embarrassing affair for both the outlet and it’s viewers. Same thing applies to public media. People can see the bias and politicizing public media is a risky affair for political parties. For example the previous Polish government turned public TV into their propaganda machine and it was just one more thing people we pissed about.
In US the problem is definitely not just right-wing media. As I said in my comment, media in US is weak and biased in general. You basically have far-right outlets and corporate, right-wing outlets. The find anything left leaning you have to go to youtube and watch entertainment shows. For many years, the best news show was The Daily Show…
I also doubt it has worked so well for America in the past. It ended up where it is exactly because Americans were fed bullshit propaganda about their country for so many decades. All the media participated in this.
I’d love to hear which country you think has “unbiased media” lol
Many countries have media that report reliably on their governments and many countries have media spanning full political spectrum. No media is completely unbiased but there are different levels of bias and journalistic integrity. US basically doesn’t have any left leaning media outside of social media. All professional journalism in US has a pro-corporate bias. That’s why US is worse than most developed countries in this regard.
“Name a country.”
… Doesn’t name a country.
Czech Republic.
bari weiss another example of glass ceiling i believe. ellison, like alot of mysogynistic corporations often use woman in ceo positions to take all the blame for the company when they have all bad pr or the company is declining instead of the actual owners(ellison and his son who is a vile ghoul. and epstein pedo), or the board. often time they encourage her to be an A-HOLE if not already was one. another ecent one is/was tesla female ceo/leadership. shes taking direct orders from ellison or his son.
Dictators and propaganda, a tale as old as time
Scott Pelley, why sit on this? Why not report that the head of a new organization pressure staff to lie?
Turning murder into “it was coming right for us!”, and peaceful protesters into violent thugs. Your response is sit there and say nothing?
He did eventually force them to fire him. You’re right though, I would have expected journalists to have more of a spine than they have been exhibiting during the entire Trump era. Their failure to do their jobs effectively is a large part of the problem. It shouldn’t have been enough to matter but here we are.
Everyone feels the need to grab the bag. Either they wait until they can sell the story or grab more power.
The longer I watch Trump’s and his types rule, the more I see what kind cowards allowed this to happen.
It is not just MAGA, it is deeper then that. The USA is sick, as is many other countries. At some point the disease will kill the host body. My fear, we already passed the last safe exit to fix this shit.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gieTx_P6INQ
Sorry for the YouTube link but it’s def worth watching. Uninstall the YouTube app and watch in Firefox to skip the ads. Bari weiss is a fucking clown, not a real journalist, and her bullshit rag that got bought as part of CBS merger is pure propaganda bullshit for the trump era.
Yep, her “journalism” career started when she participated in an “activism” campaign at her college attempting to get arab and anti Zionist professors fired.
By mere coincidence , she is Israeli too
“Tread on me harder orange daddy” - Bari Weiss
Wouldn’t falsely reporting something like that open you to a slander lawsuit?
That’s why news articles and such use “allegedly” and other language to avoid making direct claims.
Journalism used to mean doing work to figure out what actually happened and reporting your findings, rather than rewording the government’s and corporations’ press releases and adding “allegedly”, and throwing in some quotes from other people.
Until recently, 60 minutes still did journalism.
You can’t slander or libel the dead.
