so…. then it’s the billionaires. got it.
For real. Both sides guy is an idiot.
Both sides are now 30% of the electorate or less (pick your poll, D&R are very close).
Independents are now 40% of the voters.
Critical mistake that Dems make is thinking independent means centrist
Both sides is a pretentious asshole, are you seriously suggesting that 30-40% of all politically active US citizens are pretentious assholes?
I am an independent and I have zero issues seeing the ruling class and the culture they have created as the problem. Blaming it on the government is short sighted and plays into the wealthy’s hands. That is just stupid in my book.
This is just acknowledging that the government wouldn’t be corrupt without the billionaires. By the logic of your post, the left is correct and the right is not.
This stinks of “enlightened centrist” meme junk.
Yes, the post is meant to be pro-left.
But your first sentence in your comment is wrong. Classic correlation is not causation. With the addition of “if X is Y because Z, if Z wouldn’t be, then X wouldn’t be Y”.
I was on the fence about this exact thing. My logic is that corruption requires wealthy/powerful people to be corrupt in favor of. If there were no billionaire class, no bourgeoisie, there would be no people who benefit from the oppression of the proletariat, so corruption as we conceive of it in modern America couldn’t exist.
Of course, people will act unpredictably and some people with power will abuse it, but the whole system of billions being spent on campaign contributions and lobbyist dinners couldn’t continue if there weren’t entities with billions to spend.
If there were no billionaires, a corrupt person could still have power inside a government. Making it a corrupt government.
Then he could benefit from that corruption and become a billionaire.
It’s not a one way relationship.
Corrupt entities make powerful people. And powerful people (sometimes) do make the entities corrupt.
And this is an issue for all political systems.
It’s not a “get rid of billionaires and the issue is fixed”. We must both redistribute power so it is at more reasonable levels. And clean the entities.
And once the power imbalance is smaller and the entities are clean, it is a constant maintenance fight to keep those entities clean and the power balanced.
A single democratic election can give a lot of power to a person that previously had none. Power is always flowing.
Ahh the ‘enlightened centrist’ take, how very boring.
therefore, corrupt billionaires are the problem
We really gotta stop using that girl in memes that make her seem crazy. She was the calmest most reasoned person in that video.
This has to be one of the most boomer out-of-touch I’m-a-cool-smart-guy memes I’ve seen on here, and that’s saying something.
When someone wants to be an edgy centrist but ends up enforcing leftism
Fun fact! The picture of the girl in this meme comes from this video, (relevant portion about 3 minutes in) in which she’s by far the calmest and most reasonable person involved. She’s not even angry, she just has kind of an expressive face, and she looks like that for all of exactly one frame
Some psycho combed through this video frame by frame to find the least flattering picture of her possible. Rightoids need to die out man
I actually didn’t know this. She really does seem like a sweet and friendly person. It’s a shame she’s being used as a symbol for crazy by the right, when she’s actually the opposite.
I was just thinking, “what is that woman’s story?” Glad to hear it isn’t something like she was turned into a meme and whatever little mental health she had shattered, and now she spends all her time shut in her parent’s basement. Thankfully, the real story isn’t as dark as my imagination.
Everyone is “I need someone who I can vote for!”
Why not run yourself? I bet there is a considerable amount of people willing to vote for a random person who has no known connections to oligarchs, pedophiles or billionaires
Because I’m not tough enough to handle the death threats I’d get for being trans.
Because I don’t want to be a politician.
There are also too many stupid executives. That doesn’t mean that I want to be an executive. I cannot both be a politician and an executive.
The right elected the most corrupt government we have had so far.
…so far
This is in fact incorrect: the right doesn’t say corrupt government is the problem The right says trans kids and brown people are the problem. Because the right is dumb as a fucking brick, and the billionaires managed to brainwash the dumb right into hating someone other than themselves.
They actually say it all the time. Trumps people have been called out in interviews for saying it while occupying their positions.
The most terrifying words from in the English language are: “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.”
Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.
– Senile retired actor mouthpiece for the ultra-wealthy
Senile retired actor mouthpiece for the ultra-wealthy
…who was voted in based on a single issue campaign. The anti-abortion-access movement convinced their flock that abortions were literally as bad as killing babies, and Falwell successfully created a voting block based on that one issue. That base didn’t realize it came with massive deregulation, and they weren’t smart or knowledgeable enough to care.
Reagan was the beginning of the end. I was fourteen when he was elected.
It’s an issue with definitions. When the right says the government is corrupt, they mean socially corrupt. When the left talks about the corrupt, they mean fiscally corrupt.
No, the right is also morally and legally corrupt.
My favourite logical fallacy is this: big, democratic government having control is bad, there’s too little oversight and too much corruption. Therefore, it is better if a billionaire, who rules autocratically without any oversight, is better.
As long as it’s their autocrat, yes.
The right thinks that people are socially corrupt. Not the government. They think the government shouldn’t enable that corruption. But when it comes down to it, they hate people. They don’t hate institutions.
The right wanting to eradicate minorities has nothing to do with fiscal corruption. It’s just pure evil.
I am declaring war on fat, gay kids.
Finally! A new angle!
The “right” isn’t a monolith anymore than the “left”.
While it manifests in different ways the American “left” has been just as willing and happy to sacrifice brown, trans, woman, etc. persons because they are equally dumb and brainwashed.
“If we don’t let Israel burn down Gaza we might lose votes and if we lose votes then Trump will win and if Trump wins then it’s your fault when minorities are hurt.”
Look what you made me do!!
We are literally caught between two political parties which are both using different styles of psychological abuse to get our votes.
Liberals are center-right at best, the US has no left
Read that again. Slowly.
Um no, that is not what the “left” thinks.
There are a lot of radically different “left wing” ideologies. The quote, you claim to be left wing could probably be attributed to social democrats, maybe socialists, although not really. And that quote doesn’t really represent a good summary of what they believe.
I, for example am pretty far to the left, I am an anarchist. I believe, that all forms of unjust hierarchy are a bad thing, be it a companie’s CEO or a government and I advocate for flat hierarchies and the organization of society via specialized assemblies. And of course the ownership of workers of the means of production.
So, I guess I would agree with your quote, as I am against exploitation from the government and from billionaires. I just think, that corruption is the wrong way to look at it. The way, capitalism is going right now is not corruption in the sense that is an “error” in the system. Nor is it the fault of individuals or a group of people. It’s just that capitalism is set up in a way, that it naturally produces and needs these crisees, like faciasm to once again violently reinforce itself and live on. Capitalism will inevitaly lead to concentration of wealth, because of the power imbalance between worker and employer. And this leads to imbalances in power, which you could call corruption.
So, in summary, your statement could be considered leftist, as that is pretty close to what leftists believe. It’s just that a lot of leftists go a bit further and analyze the issue on a systemic level rather than an individual one.
Also, the right is not authentically against governmental corruption, look at them cheering on ice raids or the war in Iran. Wanting to spend more money in state violence is the most “pro-government” thing, I could think of.
I believe, that all forms of unjust hierarchy are a bad thing
What exactly do you think is a just hierarchy? Where is the line?
A DM running a traditional game of D&D?
There is none. That’s why I am an anarchist. I guess, I worded that in a bad way.
Edit: Maybe, the one exception, I can think of is parents and their children, because children are not fully developed and are missing some important abilities to fully participate in society. Still, of course I believe in letting your child participate and encouraging them to exercise and their autonomy, but there are limits.
So that would put you on the left.
No…it wouldn’t.
Corrupt billionaires running the government means you think the problem is corrupt billionaires.
What exactly do you think socialism is?
Where did you get socialism from?
We’re talking about the meme saying left wingers oppose billionaires.
Anyway socialism is when production, distribution, and exchange are owned/regulated by the workers/community.
I’m so tired of libs on this site dude. Go read Rob Paxton’s The Anatomy of Fascism, it is ahistorical to suggest that the thing you’re calling definitive of “left” (whatever the fuck that means to you people at this point) is enough to determine of someone is “left.”
Or are you arguing that Elon Musk is correct about National Socialism?
The left also thinks corrupt government is a problem
Meanwhile the right proudly advertises their love for corrupt billionaires
