Donald Trump’s threats to carry out mass bombing of civilian infrastructure in Iran present US military officers with a dilemma: disobey orders or help commit war crimes.

It is an urgent matter for the US chain of command. In an expletive-laden threat, Trump set a Tuesday 8pm Washington time deadline for the Iranian government to open the strait of Hormuz or face “Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one”.

There is little debate among legal experts that such an attack on the life-supporting infrastructure for 93 million Iranians would constitute a war crime.

“Such rhetorical statements – if followed through – would amount to the most serious war crimes – and thus the president’s statements place service members in a profoundly challenging situation,” two former judge advocate general (JAG) officers, Margaret Donovan and Rachel VanLandingham wrote on the website Just Security on Monday.

“As former uniformed military lawyers who advised targeting operations, we know the president’s words run counter to decades of legal training of military personnel and risk placing our warfighters on a path of no return.”

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      You can call them service members, implying they are selflessly performing some vital service for us! You must spread the propaganda through deliberate misuse of language!

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    There are plenty of brainwashed talibangelicals in the military who will happily push the world into global war at trump’s command.

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    They are going to automate weaponry so soldiers never face a moral dilemma and get in the way of the war machine.

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    It’s absolutely Imperative that in the new world Order the UN has to be a stronger (best would be THE strongest) global Military Power.

    We have to figure out how something Like this rogue stateship of the Military hegemon of the world can be stopped. Otherwise Things gonna repeat themselves.

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      Is it? If you follow orders you will most likely not be punished in any way. If you don’t then you definitely will.

      I mean, it’s easy for you to tell others to take that risk I guess, maybe that’s what you meant.

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      Make crime or make no crime.

      Is it allowed to be a serious question for the rest of us as well? Or is it just the fucking Military that has the Option to ditch the Law?

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        The law is just a bunch of words, it can’t make you do anything or prevent you from doing anything. Follow it or don’t your call

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      Based on how the US military has behaved throughout both recent and more distant history, yeah, the answer’s obvious.

      They’re going to obey.

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        They’re not just going to obey, they’ll make videos of it to pass it around as trophies and their citizens will wave it off like it’s normal occurrence.

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    As a former soldier, “warfighter” is the stupidest fucking word I’ve heard in my life. It makes me think the speaker is a profound idiot every time I hear it. This might be the first time I’ve read the word — and it is just as stupid as ever.

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      That’s who got voted into office. It’s no one’s fault but the American public that these people are your leaders. It’s easy to get ride of them. Collectively vote them out. But that probably won’t happen.

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        It will 100% happen if we have fair elections, but that’s the rub. Trump has terrible numbers. The economy is garbage. Everything is garbage. We elected a dictator, and he might be too big of a buffoon to strangle our democracy, but there’s a chance that it’s already too late and we failed to stop him when it was possible without violence.

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    How is this a dilemma for the US military? They are going full on war crimes, who’s gonna held them accountable anyway?

    Polio needs to catch up in that shithole… Polio or whatever, the US are a threat to the whole world.

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    Is is legal to commit war crimes in the United States? Because if it is, this becomes an ethical argument rather than a legal one.

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      With this Trump-appointed crooked SCOTUS and the Trump-appointed crooked US Attorney General, combined with the fact we are not signatories to the ICC? I’m going to sadly say yes.

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      The US isn’t an ICC signatory, but it has its own military law that defines illegal orders, so some subset of war crimes is also illegal under US law. I’m guessing destroying the water infrastructure of nearly 100 million people would be included, but I’ll leave it to someone else to fact check that.

      TL;DR: It’s illegal to commit some war crimes in America, but I don’t know about this particular war crime.

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    Yeah America’s track record (even before Trump for the libs in the back) does not imply respect for international or even American humanitarian law. Pete Hegseth can kiss my ass if even a single pilot refuses to drop the bombs.

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      Yah. Because thats what little bitches do. And trumps a bitch.

      Little dick having bitch.