As a moderately broad shouldered guy who prefers side sleeping, I need robust pillow support.
I find that no pillow I buy, at any price, will last more than six months before its going flat every night.
Am I upset about about something that’s perfectly normal here?
Like the “normal amount of toilet roll,” I feel like this is one of those things that we never know what is normal for others.


have you tried buckwheat hull pillows? they’re pretty firm and stay firm in my experience, and you can always take out or add more hulls for a more or less firm pillow - might be helpful?
I sorta struggle with this because I like to sleep on my back, but I like to get sleepy on my side first, and so my pillow needs to be thinner for back sleeping, but when I’m on my side I need more neck support - so I sleep with a little extra pillow or something like a shirt, robe, etc. that I can fit under my neck on just that part of the pillow (also helpful for throwing over my face / eyes so I can sleep in when it’s light in the morning).
Definitely worth a try. I worry they’re “noisy” if I move in the night. Which I do. A lot.
Not going to lie, it’s expensive…
https://www.pinetales.com/products/buckwheat-pillow?variant=45182891851974
Get the “standard size” and then play with how much buckwheat is inside (there’s a zipper)
This one has a little foam pad cover, I find it works better for me since sleeping directly on a bag of buckwheat can feel a little weird.
I fluff it up a little taller when I sleep on my side, then flatten it out to sleep on my back (I switch positions 3-4 times a night). Best pillow I ever owned.
They take some getting used to but I absolutely adore mine. I don’t find mine to be noisy but I’ve also found mine has help reduce the amount of repositioning I do at night.
Gotta be worth a try, anything to not be laying here at 1.15am messaging on Lemmy!
they’re not too noisy in my experience - but it absolutely is an adjustment to sleeping with them
they also really help with overheating in the summer compared to most other kinds of pillows, they breathe much better
Well, that’s a plus! Thanks.