Why are people not protesting ? Businesses should stop buying Microsoft licenses and that should force Microsoft to remove bill gates completely from the company. Same should be done with Musk, trump etc.
This is a draft email from Epstein to himself. We don’t have the actual emails that prove any of this.
But Bill Gates did make a generous donation in Epstein’s name only a couple hours after this draft, so, you know, definitely not conclusive.
I think theres been enough information over thw years to produce doubt on Bill, his occasional meetings with Epstein and the timing of his divorce, but you make a good point that these quotes produce a lot more questions than answers. Who were they, how old where they where were they, etc.
I can’t believe Bill Gates got STDs from Russian girls, his ex-wife Melinda, AND Elon Musk!
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I believe English is not your first language ? Haha funny the way you wrote it but In this context there is a semicolon. Here semicolon is used because these are separate facts, but they belong to the same update.
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Woooshed so hard
Do…do you know how to recognise jokes?
Bill Gates doesn’t work for Microsoft? He’s only a shareholder these days.
He doesn’t own the pleb shares which most 9-5s buy. I think he has class A and also his foundation is in the board.
FYI: In this thread there’s an account named finite banjo that is likely part of a PR firm managing Gates’ public image. Don’t fall for it, ignore and carry on. Gates betrayed his best friend for money, he has never had a conscience and should be on the fast lane to the guillotines when they come!
You mean FiniteBanjo@feddit.info ?
Dude, this is crazy. That guy’s first comment was about how Gates should be on trial. You then questioned Gates morality, to which he replied with a few positive things Gates did that other billionaires have not.
One, this comment makes you look like a massive pansy, because you couldn’t say it to the person. Two, starting a witch hunt because someone slightly disagrees with you is absolutely pathetic.
Bill Gates doesn’t give a fuck about few bozos on Lemmy. No one is paying for a PR firm to come on here just to fuck with you and the few hundred daily active users. And just so you can’t claim I’m associated with him or some imaginary PR firm, fuck Bill Gates. Let him for in prison if he committed crimes. Fuck Microsoft. This is Linux country.
Lmao yeah bro my post history is 100% Bill Gates funded and my statement that he should go to trial is absolutely what he wants.
His endgame is a work release program from prison.
You got a lot of people attacking you for saying this that are oddly defensive of billionaires and their “right” to purchase young women, sex, or anything else they want.
Block em
The article says that Elon was asking if he could visit Epstein’s island in 2013, but it doesn’t say whether he did. I’m sure he did end up going, probably lots of times, but it’s funny to think that Elon is such an awkward loser that at the time, even Epstein might have been ducking his calls and trying to avoid hanging out with him.
He did try again. Epstein asked his assistant to get rid of him. Search Elon wild party
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He was probably relying on ineffective Microsoft antivirus protection.
Comment of the year
Nobody can touch a billionaire. Get back to your 9-5 y’all !
If they were of age and consenting, I wouldn’t care.
even if they were of age, i wouldn’t call it consent when there’s such an extreme power differential. there’s a reason why billionaires mostly target working class women and girls to rape
And desperate women from impoverished countries.
So you’re saying, that if a woman of sound mind and body, chooses to consent to having sex with a billionaire for money that it’s still wrong because the billionaire has more money and power.
Even though she could say no? Even if it was of her own volition, that it’s still wrong?
To me it sounds like you are assuming that women can’t make their own choices.
In a perfectly balanced, evenly powered world where everyone had adequate housing, food, and all the necessities of life, transactional sex is fine. Because no one’s life depends on it. There is no power imbalance, no coersion.
But we don’t live in that world. Billionaires can and often do make your life a living hell if they don’t get what they want from you. And people, generally, do not have all the necessities of life. 99+% of them require money to live. And these women are no exception. Heck, this doesn’t apply to even just billionaires or men. Sex workers NEED that money to live, so it is inherently exploitative.
That is the problem, like it or not. But billionaires only compound the issue multiple times over, because they can also apply power greater than others. And they can stop being a billionaire at any point.
Oh
Hell, let’s take that line of reasoning a bit further
On average, men are significantly stronger than women so there’s a power imbalance there too. That would mean that on average, heterosexual relationships are non-consensual
just so you know, you’re the reason why #MeToo was necessary
You took a hard left there. Consensual transactional sex is rape? Is that what you’re saying? I think you are totally lost on this conversation.
i have similar thoughts and to me it’s really just about the balance of power. It could just as easily be a billionaire woman and a working man. I think in any kind of relationship (the broad term, not the dating term) each person needs to be accountable to each other. Good outcomes can still happen when somebody is unaccountable, but there is massive risk. And I go by the motto that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If somebody has a lot of power, they will use it for evil. One goal of society should be to make that impossible.
Transactional sex is not a relationship
Even though she could say no?
a lot of them did say no years after the fact but I have a feeling you’re the type of person who wouldn’t understand that consent works like this
Years after after the fact
Uh… So it became sexual abuse several years after it happened?
If that’s the case I think people should stop having sex altogether. And relationships in general. Hell, there’s been times where I’ve regretted intercourse later on too, but never have I thought about it as being rape after the fact.
The issue with revoking consent after the fact is that you can literally just make anyone a rapist that way. Hell you can do it on purpose if you want to. Pretend to consent and then later say you decided it wasn’t consensual at all.
In the case of the #MeToo movement you mentioned in another comment, there was usually an explicit or implicit tit-for-tat. I.e “you aren’t getting this role unless you sleep with me” that affected a person’s career. That itself makes consent invalid IMO because it’s coerced. But if you decide to have sex with a billionaire for money - well, there was going to be no negative effect to not doing it. You can live on without that money. Weinstein (and many others like him, I’m sure) acted as a gatekeeper to something rare, movie roles. Money is plentiful in this world and there’s other ways to get it.
We’re not talking about reality here. I was making a point that prostitution shouldn’t be unethical or illegal when consensual.
But they are not of age and not consenting??
I said if. I’m not talking about underage sex trafficking. I’m saying I don’t think prostitution makes anyone a bad person.
There’s the immoral factor when cheating, but that’s way different than pedo rape.
Ok, thats a good premise. But it really.doesnt sound like you support legal prostitution.
Are you on a mind alternating substance right now?
I haven’t seen the actual documents being talked about in these articles, yet, but they may have actually been of age.
Definitely not consenting if they worked for Epstein, though. He was a human trafficker.
I was making a point that prostitution shouldn’t be illegal if regulated and consensual.
Looks like Bill Gates should see trial. He should have immediately come to the FBI about this if he had any conscience.
He betrayed one of his closest friends to become the biggest software company in the world.
I’m guessing no.
He also donated 99% of his income to charity including bringing food, water, and medicine to impoverished all across Africa and the middle east. He pressured many other wealthy to do the same.
He needs to see trial for his crimes but you can’t blame people for thinking he is the best billionaire.
The Gates foundation started over 25 years ago and his net worth is still $124 billion. He’s going to give it all away and stop hoarding wealth any day now, though.
When I was a kid, I had a Scrooge McDuck comic book in which Scrooge had a serious problem - he was accumulating money faster than he could build vaults to hold it all. So he took Donald, and the nephews Hewey, Dewey, and Louie, on a cross country road trip, to try and spend as much money as they could.
They threw money around everywhere they went. If they got a bug on the windshield, they’d buy a new car. When they got hungry, they’d eat in the most expensive restaurants they could find. Once, they even invited an entire Duck Scouts troop to eat with them.
When they finally got home, Scrooge found his company officers in a crisis. While Scrooge was on vacation with his family, it seemed that someone had traveled across the country, buying luxury cars at Scrooge’s car dealerships, eating enormous expensive meals in his restaurants, etc. Now they had even more money than before, and his financial “crisis” had only increased.
Scrooge’s attempt at spending a significant amount of his money had only resulted in creating even more wealth. Modern billionaires are a lot like that. They have so much, they can’t get rid of it if they tried.
Every billionaire residing in or visiting America should have to pay a million dollars a day in rent to United States, to be used to fund Medicare 4 All and UBI, over and above their tax burden.
Microsoft could have shared the company’s wealth with the employees who actually EARNED the money and made the company successful, but instead it all accumulated with the guy who mostly said “That’s a good idea, go do that,” (while only being successful about 50% of the time), and kept ALL the money for that “work,” while paying the people who did the actual work as little as he could legally get away with.
So, the thing about that assertion is, Bill Gates wealth came from his ownership of shares of the company, Microsoft.
It’s not that Bill has been funneling all the income of the company into his pockets, no, it’s that when he sells shares of the company then other people are willing to pay massive sums for it because everyone has collectively agreed the company is extremely valuable.
This sort of wealth is why the DNC propose an unrealized gains tax for the rich.
He also donated 99% of his income to charity
Income? He has wealth, not a job.
Selling stocks is also income, the statement is in past tense, to date Bill has donated hundreds of billions of dollars.
Selling stocks is also income
No, that is liquidating capital. It attracts capital gains tax, not income tax.
Also that would imply he’s sold 99% of his stocks, which is also false.
The only way it would imply that he sold 99% of his stocks is if I had said he donated all of his wealth, which is not at all what I said. I said he donated income and he did, multiple hundreds of billions of his income.
That was all Melinda’s doing
Then why didn’t Bezos Ex do something about the state of the world?
I don’t know, why didn’t a completely different person do the same thing as melinda gates?
Yes that is what I asked you. Why does one woman control her husband and none of the other billiionaires wives do the same?
What magical mind altering power does Melinda have that turns Bill Gates autonomy off and force him to listen to her?
Is he still a billionair? Then he didn’t give enough.
He owns so much land in the US and stocks and so on.
He is still a billionaire
We shouldn’t even expect it, we have to tax the rich.
My point was that he is not a good guy and does not deserve being defended.
He isn’t a good guy but he has done amazing good things and he has a conscience.
A conscience? Do you remember what fucking thread you are in? Lmao actually delulu
The guy that thought union-busting was the key to improving education and campaigned hard to keep Covid vaccines under patent?
Yeah, man, keep licking those billionaire boots.
If by campaigned hard you mean backpedaled immediately then yes, that’s the guy. His foundation also paid billions to distribute the vaccine at no cost.
People here are looking for someone to hate right now and your getting down voted for submitting facts. There’s always a lot of bandwagoning on this site.
There’s no certification when it comes to bad and good. Sometimes evil assholes can do good things and vice versa.
Life exists mostly in the grey area. The court of the Internet is black and white and arguments here forget that. Unless you’re Trump, Musk, or Bezos them fuckers are straight up evil.
Thank you.
Wait until you see his comment down below
I can’t blame them for falling for the propaganda, yes. After all, it was designed to deceive as many people as possible.
His “propoganda” helped people, saved millions from death or suffering. If you think my statement was false then who do you believe is the best out of all the billionaires?
MacKenzie Scott.
She gives money without ties.
Her entire networth is less than a fifth of the amount that Bill Gates has donated, her donations are 1/10th, and her philanthropy is a part of the Giving Pledge that Gates created.
Almost all of her donations were exclusively US based and focused charities unlike how the Gates Foundation helps the worlds most vulnerable peoples.
No billionaire is the best, they should all disappear. Gates, through his tenure at the foundation, delayed anti-malaria research for a decade because he sponsored his cronies instead of distributing broadly. Furthermore, his foundation accomplished good in spite of him, not through him.
They should all be taxed out of existence, but they are not at all equal.
I think there was something about how the gates foundation is actually not that good, patenting vacciens and other stuff. (too lazy to find links links right now)
They initially opposed a WHO resolution which would have member nations pause or withdraw patents over the Covid19 vaccine but they backpedaled on that shortly after and have spent billions producing and distributing those vaccines.
if he had any conscience
Yes, ‘if’. Spoiler: He never did.
Never is a pretty strong word, plenty of powerful people got roped into Epstein’s prostitution ring and continued associating with him long after the fact. I want to clarify my stance that while Bill needs to see trial over these allegations, especially if minors were involved, that it does not cancel out the good things his foundation has done for the world.
Agreed. So why bring it up?
It’s one thing to say “This man is a criminal who needs to be brought to trial” and a completely different thing to say “This man is pure unconscionable evil.”
Tons of racists and conspiracy theorists have been railing on Bill Gates for decades because of how he’s spent his money: saving dark skinned people.
I understand the principle you’re applying (that a person’s positive and negative actions can be judged separately). My question was more about the conversational relevance.
In a discussion specifically about serious criminal allegations, introducing a person’s philanthropic work often feels like a deflection tactic, whether intended or not. It shifts the focus from ‘Did this bad thing happen?’ to ‘How do we weigh the good against the bad?’
So my ‘why bring it up?’ was really asking: In a conversation about alleged sex crimes, what is the purpose of directing attention to his charity work? Is it to ensure the allegations aren’t overstated, or is it to steer the discussion away from the allegations themselves?
That’s the distinction I’m trying to understand.
I feel like the best possible outcomes for all people do not involve villainizing Bill Gates, and in fact doing so can lead people down paths to right wing extremism. He got an STD from a prostitute according to an unsent draft of an email, if it’s true then it makes him a bad person and criminally liable, it does not make him a villain.
I don’t know enough about the whole Bill Gates tied into Epstein saga. But I will say this=> it kinda reads like “oh noez, I messed up, better do some good in the world to clean up my image preemptively”.
That kinda money just doesn’t happen squaky clean. It doesn’t. Visiting Epstein’s island… at that point he should’ve known he was treading onto the wrong side of history.
That’s nonsequitur to my comment, I’m saying despite his crimes and being a criminal, he is at least more moral than any other billionaire in existence, to say he has never had any conscience is not accurate.
Also, the new information released has, afaik, not mentioned any specifics about places, times, or identities of the girls involved, so as of yet we don’t know that he has ever been to the island.
"A very attractive Swedish woman and her daughter dropped by and I ended up staying there quite late,” Gates wrote in an email to colleagues after one of his meetings with Epstein, according to the New York Times.
And? What you said did neither argue what I said nor confirm.
afaik, not mentioned any specifics about places, times, or identities of the girls involved,
Gates has provided the specific information you were not aware of.
Surely it’s malaria practice!
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