Calling it Christian Nationalism is just trying to avoid saying Nazism out loud.
Calling it “Nazis” conjures up very specific images of a foreign government’s 1930s fascist party. These are American fascists wrapped up in a very explicitly Christian iconography. You can call them Nazis and people will blink past it, because they don’t look like Nazis.
Hitler absolutely used Christianity too
So did FDR. So did Chang Kai-shek. Lincoln and Jefferson both proselytized from office.
But if you want to get to the root of Hitlerism, you’d do better looking at Henry Ford and “The International Jew” than Martin Luther (the OG Protestant). Hitler was a Catholic. He came by antisemitism through the post-WW1 private sector and the old guard aristocracy, which blamed Judaism for the Communist swing of the prior decade.
also just for clarification Drumpf is a fucking nazis and the shitty american education on the matter is why so many fail to see it. Even though “make germany great again” wasn’t exactly a slogan… it was not an uncommon refrain in hitler’s speeches. Sure other politicians used ‘make xyz great again’, but Trump doesn’t sleep with their autobiographical manifesto’s next to his bedside.
at best, you could say that he’s in good company with Reagan also recycling some of hitler’s rhetoric, but it’s still recycling hitler’s rhetoric. Reagan was an asshole, too.
He’s an American fascist doing American fascism in America. He’s a fucking Reagan Democrat. He should be called that, because it’s a term Americans clearly understand. Whereas, “Nazi” has become a pejorative for anyone with politics you don’t like, with the subtle connotation that you’re an evil foreigner.
at best, you could say that he’s in good company with Reagan also recycling some of hitler’s rhetoric
Reagan was emulating Eisenhower, another notorious American fascist.
Point is many Christians claim Christianity wasn’t part of Nazism and that Hitler wasn’t a Christian.
But it was absolutely at the very core of Nazism.
Point is many Christians claim Christianity wasn’t part of Nazism
Many Christians were in the resistance movement. Many Christians were in the death camps. Your Christianity didn’t define your political alignment back then any more than it does now.
Anyone claiming Hitler wasn’t Catholic is full of shit. He worked hand-in-glove with the sitting Pope and agitated within the German church on explicit anti-communist grounds. But the schism was never religious. It was always economic. Nazism is a policy of ethnic social supremacy, enacted to secure land and capital for a racialized in-group of Teutonic people. Polish Catholics, French Catholics, Dutch Protestants, Ukrainian Orthodox… none of these people were spared.
That’s a moronic statement when Christianity CLEARLY was actively used to form what the Nazi party stood for, and Christianity was also a major element in their propaganda.
That’s like saying you can use a gun to kill, but you can also use it to not kill. Well Duh. That doesn’t change that the purpose of guns are to kill.
And just because there may be some anecdotal not evil Christians, it doesn’t change the fact that Christianity very much is used to do evil, and has been used for that for 2000 years now.
Yes you can be a Christian and be a good person, but you are a good person despite being a Christian, because Christianity definitely doesn’t help.
Just look how Christianity is used even today in USA to take away rights from people! This is not very different from how Christianity was used as an excuse to persecute Jews and even mass murdering them in concentration camps during WW2.
Calling it “Nazis” conjures up very specific images of a foreign government’s 1930s fascist party. These are American fascists wrapped up in a very explicitly Christian iconography. You can call them Nazis and people will blink past it, because they don’t look like Nazis.
So did FDR. So did Chang Kai-shek. Lincoln and Jefferson both proselytized from office.
But if you want to get to the root of Hitlerism, you’d do better looking at Henry Ford and “The International Jew” than Martin Luther (the OG Protestant). Hitler was a Catholic. He came by antisemitism through the post-WW1 private sector and the old guard aristocracy, which blamed Judaism for the Communist swing of the prior decade.
Not important… but Bovino absolutely dresses like a Nazis.
And many of the CBP agents have Nazis tats.
More generally… Trump himself was recycling Hitler’s rhetoric in his ‘16 campaigns.
So I do feel that it’s both.
He dresses like a SWAT officer, which has it’s own fascist history.
He was recycling Reagan’s rhetoric, right down to the MAGA slogan.
But Americans can’t handling hearing that Reagan was a fascist. So liberals have to stretch the truth and claim it was Hitler’s
just for comparison.
also just for clarification Drumpf is a fucking nazis and the shitty american education on the matter is why so many fail to see it. Even though “make germany great again” wasn’t exactly a slogan… it was not an uncommon refrain in hitler’s speeches. Sure other politicians used ‘make xyz great again’, but Trump doesn’t sleep with their autobiographical manifesto’s next to his bedside.
at best, you could say that he’s in good company with Reagan also recycling some of hitler’s rhetoric, but it’s still recycling hitler’s rhetoric. Reagan was an asshole, too.
They’re both wearing heavy coats in cold weather.
He’s an American fascist doing American fascism in America. He’s a fucking Reagan Democrat. He should be called that, because it’s a term Americans clearly understand. Whereas, “Nazi” has become a pejorative for anyone with politics you don’t like, with the subtle connotation that you’re an evil foreigner.
Reagan was emulating Eisenhower, another notorious American fascist.
Uhuh.
I wear a heavy coat in winter.
I don’t wear a heavy great coat with giant lapels and epaulet boards and a baldric strap.
Point is many Christians claim Christianity wasn’t part of Nazism and that Hitler wasn’t a Christian.
But it was absolutely at the very core of Nazism.
Many Christians were in the resistance movement. Many Christians were in the death camps. Your Christianity didn’t define your political alignment back then any more than it does now.
Anyone claiming Hitler wasn’t Catholic is full of shit. He worked hand-in-glove with the sitting Pope and agitated within the German church on explicit anti-communist grounds. But the schism was never religious. It was always economic. Nazism is a policy of ethnic social supremacy, enacted to secure land and capital for a racialized in-group of Teutonic people. Polish Catholics, French Catholics, Dutch Protestants, Ukrainian Orthodox… none of these people were spared.
That’s a moronic statement when Christianity CLEARLY was actively used to form what the Nazi party stood for, and Christianity was also a major element in their propaganda.
That’s like saying you can use a gun to kill, but you can also use it to not kill. Well Duh. That doesn’t change that the purpose of guns are to kill.
And just because there may be some anecdotal not evil Christians, it doesn’t change the fact that Christianity very much is used to do evil, and has been used for that for 2000 years now.
Yes you can be a Christian and be a good person, but you are a good person despite being a Christian, because Christianity definitely doesn’t help.
Just look how Christianity is used even today in USA to take away rights from people! This is not very different from how Christianity was used as an excuse to persecute Jews and even mass murdering them in concentration camps during WW2.