And yet, you’re still doing it.
As they say: historians have a word for Germans who supported the Nazis because they liked their economic policies, or were afraid of Communists, or they wanted power, or they wanted the business, or any of a hundred other reasons. That word is Nazi. Historians don’t care what their reasons are.
were afraid of Communists
It works really great when you draw a circle around everyone not in your tiny camp of Tacolovers/white supremacists and declare them to be “Communists” as so many of the conservatives do.
I’m sure they did much the same in Hitler’s Germany, too. Everyone that didn’t adore him were probably called socialists, trade unionists, and Communists.
“I voted for Mr. Hitler because he’d be good for the economy. I didn’t go in for all that Jew-killing stuff. You can’t blame that on me.” --German Citizen, 1946
Hitler wasn’t elected, unlike Trump. People voted for the Nazi party, and Hitler was appointed.
Americunts literally voted to elect a convicted felon, rapist, pedophile for a president. So, yeah…
It was a facetious comment, meant to make a point. It wasn’t meant to be an accurate slice of history, but you know that. This thread is full of lots of insufferable “Actually…” types.
And Trump didn’t win, it was rigged, and we ALL know it, even MAGAs.
“it” in this case being standing around and picking up trash
Don’t bring logic to these people, it’s an absolute waste of time
Equating the national guard to “nazis” shows how little you know about either.
The National Guard are not Nazis… but they can be.
Our Gestapo are a different story
Ignoring what appears to be history repeating might be as ignorant.
Yeah for real what a dubass for calling people who help nazis nazis. Smh my head
Unrelated. My pedantry forces me to point this out:
“Smh my head” = shakes my head shakes my head.
But maybe you really did shake it twice.
They’re also a Republican voter, and voted 3rd party in 2024. If they don’t think this is what they signed up to do they’re a fucking idiot.
Cool, then quit.
One can’t just quit the National guard. There’s a contract that holds them for a period of time. Imagine somebody signs a 6-year contract in 2022. I don’t think they can be held liable for Trump’s actions when it wasn’t even clear he wasn’t going to actually run again. I signed a 4-year contract as an active duty service member in 2021. I got out in January last year and so I’m thankful for that. But every day or so I have to think about what my colleagues would have to decide. They’re not in it to subjugate people. They’re in it for a steady career and because they believed in a liberal America and looking to make the world a more stable place. The military is a sword and it really depends on who’s using it, whether it’s good or bad.
I knew someone who defected from the military. Wasn’t supposed to do that. Broke his contract. He’s still alive and he owns a house and he’s got a wife and kids and a good job.
Yeah, that’s because it’s more like having a felony when you are dishonorably discharged, but who knows given the context of your story what happened. Was he enlisted or an officer? Which branch was he in?
Like different things could happen depending on the situation:
United States > Military > Army > Active Duty Army United States > Military > Air Force > Air Force National Guard
These are both the military and being defective would be awol. Sure they are all under the UCMJ legal system, but that can be applied differently in each case.
There are different types of discharges from the military a depends on how that army unit wants to report that particular solider.
It’s just more of spectrum of thins that can happen.
Defected? Like went to a different country?
I’m assuming they meant AWOL (absent without leave).
Yes, I guess. But can they? Without consequences, that is.
I suppose everyone has their own set and level of consequences that keep them from immediately reacting or trying to stop events.
Sorry, Americans. You had 20-30 years to stop this slow motion reactionary train wreck without risking serious consequences. You failed to do that, so now your choice is to do it the hard way or just roll over and give up now. All indications point to you having already decided to do the latter.
I’ve spent years screaming into the void, trying to wake people up, feeling like Cassandra. After the election I had way too many people try to console me with “at least they’re gonna go after the immigrants now”
I don’t know what to do now but all I see is no quick solution. I think the hard way won’t result in the change needed and is only part of the accelerationism that got us here. We should all be doing what we can to set up for the longer haul.
After the election I had way too many people try to console me with “at least they’re gonna go after the immigrants now”
That was supposed to console you?
I can’t even do the mental gymnastics what they were thinking beyond I’m “white” (I identify as Rainbow People™) so i must agree with their racism.
Trying to talk about trans issues beyond pronouns with any of them was met with uncomfortable silence, nervous laughter, or nonsequiters; so i don’t know how I expected better from them.
I’d be curious as to why they thought that Donvict’s admin is only going after immigrants, anyway. I mean, given history of fascist actions…not that I expect these types to be any sort of students of history.
Things have to get much worse before people do anything on a large scale. In most parts of the country, day to day life is unchanged.
I’m American and I agree. People can downvote us if they want, but what we believe is true. There is literally no way this ends peacefully, and we shouldn’t just be rolling over and taking it. Our whole country is a fucking joke full of larpers
I don’t disagree at all with that aspect. As a minority who has been screaming at the others, it’s hard to both try to explain why we’re going down this path while totally understanding why the world is looking at us like we’re all insane. Fire may be the only remedy at this point.
I disagree with the timeline. I’m old, and things were already in motion when I was born. This has been a long train wreck with so many false points of hope and promises of change tricking and deluding us.
I have the same take on humanity as a whole. It’s been a long road of disappointment with lots of missed exits to possible better times.
I need a more direct tag than Canadian
Edit: Canadian Troglodyte, got it
So we should tag you American Nazi Enabler?
Brother, you’re tagged as UK Troglodyte — your hatemongering is also invalid.
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Probably not from the UK.
I’m keeping it because it pisses them off, mending ignorance be damned
I am fucking offended. How dare you call me British.
I’m keeping it
Staying in has consequences too, it means he’s a Nazi soldier fighting against Americans.
can they? Without consequences, that is.
What are the consequences if they don’t?
The national guard is both state and federal, and can be subject to penalties under the Uniform Code of Military Justice at times just like active duty troops.
If you just stop showing up, your unit declares you AWOL, and this can carry criminal penalties under the UCMJ. They may ask local law enforcement to bring you in. Jail time is a possibility in aggravated cases.
You could claim certain types of mental illness, that you’re experiencing gender dysphoria, or fake a disqualifing medical condotion and you may or may not be discharged or face a court martial based on wether or not they think you’re lying.
Depends on the branch, but you could try gaining weight and failing your PT test, however the process of getting discharged could take months/years.
Failing a drug test would probably the be the fastest way out, but you’re potentially going to get dishonorably discharged, which can be treated as equivalent to a criminal conviction in some regards.
Declaring yourself a consciencous objector could work, and is probably the closest to simply quitting, but the process of being discharged could be lengthy and involve some investigation to make sure your beliefs are “sincerely held”. Again, you may be dishonorably discharged or face other penalties if someone really wants to be an asshole about it.
EDIT: After some googling. If activated under federal orders or participating in their annual training and therefore subject to the UCMJ, the consequences for a National Guardsman found guilty of desertion could be as severe as death. However, this is historically rare in the modern era.
When not activated, most states have their own code of military justice, which often mirrors the UCMJ.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/885
Some other relevant reading:
I was in DC and saw them standing around in the metro station… Did not look happy to be there…
They have a lot of power in leaving.
Tell me you’ve never served without telling me you’ve never served. You don’t get to just leave. You can choose to not re-enlist. But even under previous presidents the penalty for desertion was hefty. Under Orange muffin I wouldn’t risk deserting.
“Just following orders” is not a valid defense.
You’d rather terrorize US citizens than desert?
You’d rather be a cog in the Reich than desert?
You are literally the type of person that my Grandad was paid to kill during WW2
Sounds like your reading and comprehension needs some work.
Sounds like you’re at best a willing collaborator, so I don’t give one fuck what you think.
Then you should block me.
Your grandad would say you’re a jackass
Not really.
I mean it is though open a history book and do basic research hell Kent state is well known for example.
Go read up on the natural disasters they respond to also.
okay? and that needs to be the national guard and not a non militarized order because? Thats like defending police because they occasionally do semi good things. The entire job is broken and primarily oppression based irrespective.
Picking up trash is honerable
Hey when I joined up to get my own country’s armed forces to pay for my college, most of the ads highlighted our own regular-force army swinging (rappelling) down from helicopters to bundle people up for extraction; or marshalling aid in some random warzone; or wading through rubble.
The training backed it up. We were, back then, primarily a unified force to be deployed for support, and only rarely armed. And, since we do not have a national guard, that’s the role we needed to sometimes fill. That, and so many sandbags after a bit of a long walk. ;-)
Picking up trash isn’t glamorous and thrill inducing, but it’s still honorable and (sadly) necessary.
The worst day picking up trash or searching for an escaped felon - why are all bases near prisons? Weeeeird - is still better than the best day getting unknown mud in your teeth and wounds. ;-)
There’s an “it ain’t much” meme in there for sure!
I mean, multitudes do it for free, on daily walks or nature outings. But do you.
Following orders is exactly what you signed up for bud.
This is the oath you take when joining the US Army:
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
The important part there is the mention of the UCMJ, which states that orders cannot be illegal, violate the Constitution, violate international law, etc.
The important part is the “and domestic” bit. Active duty troops are oath bound to engage Trump the same way they do any other enemy of the United States. Their decision not to this far is a breach of their duty.
Better late than never though - do your job already, troops!
A tyrannical government is a domestic enemy, and that is not a matter of opinion.
Yeah it is lol what you thought they’d draw the line at Iraq and Afghanistan? I’m sure a lot of Nazis said that before the German economy got a conquest-based sugar high. That ain’t happening here. Really, it could have. Somehow they have fucked up regime change in two countries whose populations are suffering greatly under economic sanctions. Typically fertile ground for such adventures. There is something of a mixed blessing in the fact that Trumps criminal regime is all but completely staffed by losers and nincompoops. Let’s hope they fuck up implementation of a permanent military police state as well.
Except, that is exactly what you signed up for you bag of expired meat.
No, the national guard is not ICE. The national guard is basically manpower on command and often times not with anything violent in mind.
Think aftermath of a hurricane or tornado, or building levees in a flood.
They’ve shot plenty of US citizens too.
You have no clue
Yeah you did. You just wanted to do it to brown people in a different country.
You’re a nazi, and deserve to swing
In the national guard? Their recruiting ads are more like swinging under a helicopter saving someone from a river. Or digging through rubble after a tornado. They’re not exactly the same kind of people. Think of the headspace being more like that of a volunteer firefighter. Yeah, they were dumb to think that’d be reality after the last 25 years, but that’s where their head likely was.
They were still deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan and worked front-line combat roles.
Being swayed by propaganda, especially when you have access to information/internet, is not a great excuse as far as I’m concerned.
I’m aware, I went to Iraq with a lot of em. But outside the initial invasions, there weren’t really any “front lines”. Even after the wars, national guardsmen were told they were here more for natural disasters, and if they were to be deployed it would be in defense, taking over for deployed regular army at their bases, while they were deployed to war zones.
I’m just saying of all the military, the national guard is the most likely to have good intentions. Even if they are naive and delusional at this point.
I personally don’t think that in any way excuses them. They directly contribute to and supported the war machine that invades and kills innocent people. They wanted to play action hero for the bad guys and now they’re complaining that it isn’t what they signed up for because it’s being done at home.
If they wanted to be like a volunteer firefighter - be a volunteer firefighter, a paramedic, or anything that is directly responsible for helping people.
I mean, you’re not ENTIRELY wrong, but neither are they. The national guard has a long history of helping after disasters. I knew a ton of NG medics that were doing it for experience/college money to be EMTs, nurses, doctors, many of them already were. I absolutely can NOT say the same about MPs I’ve met. They’re just cops that were fit enough and smart enough to make it in, not having to settle for being civilian police.
Also, remember that for a lot of people, the military is their way out of the poverty. Many are just desperate to not go into homelessness or criminal enterprises. I’ve known a lot of people in those positions as well. It’s not like everybody raises their right arm just to kill poor people in other countries. Hell, while I was there, suicide bombers usually weren’t doing it for their ideology. Most were threatened by the actual terrorist groups. “Either you do this or well kill your whole family” kinda thing. And it wouldn’t be a nice poisoning, either. The whole community would be witness to the cruelty that would be unleashed if you told them “no”.
So sure, bash the military as a whole all you want. Even many positions within it. But for the individual, it’s likely significantly more nuanced than you’re acting. But yes… There are also a LOT of hate-filled shitbags in the ranks who did sign up to do exactly that, just not all of them.
Congrats, you win the stupidest comment on lemmy award
Fuck the military, and everyone in it
