Haha supreme court says we have a 1st amendment right to film law enforcement. Get fucked pedo lovers.
For now.
At this point I accept no prior judgments (or good judgement for that matter) that differs from the party’s perspective.
Time is running out.
But the DOJ has pretty much unlimited resources and essentially no penalty for frivolous lawsuits.
supreme court says
hmmm
Uh huh,like all those other times that the supreme court did “the right thing”?
Hmm, interesting position to take. Why don’t you sit in prison for the next few years, while we test your theory at every level of the courts. In 6-9 years, if SCOTUS says you were right, you can go home victorious.
They already have. Why dont you get a life, troll.
They’re saying the administration doesn’t care about previous rulings and will continue to test the limits.
Thats great, there are people that have careers, currently, in testing those limits. They prevail each time. Learn your rights and stand your ground.
The DOJ can say anything it likes. They lost all credibility and no one believes them anymore.
I mean, what they say determines whether you’re going to jail or not
Does it though? It seems like they’re going with their vibes more than the law. Wouldn’t matter if you listen to them or not, piss law enforcement off and you’re a terrorist. They’ll find something you did to fit the bill.
You do not have an expectation of privacy in public. This is not doxing. That’s not even what doxing means.
Everything is dumb.
You assume this administration gives a shit about reason and rules.
So, filming domestic terrorism is now domestic terrorism?
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
“Fighting for Peace is like fucking for Virginity.” -John Lennon
Yo dawg I heard you like domestic terrorism, so we put domestic terrorism into your domestic terrorism, so you can commit domestic terrorism while committing domestic terrorism.
Please U.S.A., Pimp my authoritarian police state! 🙏
kinda like how they made ag gag laws, so you can film animal abuse in plants and farms.
That’s fucked up enough, but filming inside the plants and farms could be considered inside somebody else’s private property. This seems like it could be applied to filming on a street corner or even your own home.
No, don’t let them have this one. Filming police does not, and never will, make you a terrorist.
Prosecute Flock for every camera that ever recorded ICE activity, even just a vehicle driving on the highway.
Create an app that takes Flock’s incredible poorly secured data and uses it to track and publicly broadcast 24/7 the location of every ICE and federal law enforcement agent you can.
i bet flock also feeds into PALINTIR in every PD.
This has been their stance since September. It has been tried in several federal district courts and has been shot down every time (thank fuck). The Supreme Court has declined to take up the government’s appeals (thank fuck). So, a rare win for the good guys?
Terrorism has always been a convenient label for “official enemies”.
I knew this was gonna happen. “terrorism” being defined as “violence and intimidation for political means” … the authorities claiming that recording them is not only intimidation, but that intimidation is de facto the threat of violence!
“Speech is violence” is what they claim, which equates to political speech = terrorism.
It’s for this reason I believe “terrorism” in and of itself shouldn’t be a crime. But I digress.
[FTA} the Justice Department encourages federal prosecutors to press “domestic terrorism” charges against people for “doxing” law enforcement officers. […] which the Justice Department insinuates is a threatening activity used to “silence opposing speech, limit political activity, change or direct policy outcomes, and prevent the functioning of a democratic society.”
I saw this coming whenever they claimed terrorists were unlawful enemy combatants back in the early 2000s
All us smart people were just so unpatriotic! /s
You’re just being paranoid.
Edot: Oops forgot /s
Hostile actors not belonging to a state recognized by the government.
Hence why russians in UKR are soldiers but Hamas are terrorists (and not IDF)
Even by that cynical definition though, calling nonviolent actors filming police is laughable.
(The PLA guys in great britian makes sense when you consider they assaulted an army personel woth a sledge hammer while commiting their act of sabotage which the news seemed to conveniently ignore in most articles)
That’s straight up USA becoming a totalitarian state.
How does the American population keep accepting this development without doing anything about it?They don’t accept it. Many do something.
You are talking individuals and small groups. And it’s great that there is at least some resistance.
But the American population seen as a whole isn’t doing anything. There are no massive demonstration outside the White House, ICE isn’t blocked except in a few places.So seen as a whole “they” the American population is largely accepting it seemingly with some 98% doing nothing, and only 2% is trying to do something.
Hats off to the few percent that do something, but it’s depressing they are so few.
PS: The 2% is a guesstimate, based on that just 10% looks like a hell of a lot more than what we’ve seen in USA. 2% may even be overstating it. No kings had a decent turnout with an estimated 5 million. That’s about 1.6% of the population, discounting people that are unable the number could possibly be said to be about 2%. Based on the most optimistic public number I know of.
Edit: Wow, I can only see the downvotes as people whining about how it’s OK to do nothing. And me scolding them for it hurt their fee-fees.
I’m not American but neither are you, it seems.
I make careful claims I am sure I stand 100% behind - you make much wider claims like
- There are no massive demonstration (outside the White House - why can’t they be elsewhere?)
- ICE isn’t blocked except in a few places (not my impression from various news articles and a constant flood of videos)
- some 98% doing nothing, and only 2% is trying to do something (how do you define “something” and “nothing” here?)
and I would like you to back that up with something, put it in relation to, say, global numbers etc. and maybe also explain how you feel so confident about all that.
It feels like the No Kings protests maybe weren’t reported in your area unless that’s the 2% you mean? The DC protest around the White House drew 200,000 people. That’s just the DC protest which is not a large area. DC only has a population of 700,000. The larger metro area around DC had numerous protests as well.
Nationwide roughly 6.5 million protested in October. That was the largest protest in US history if I’m not mistaken. Calling it “just 2%” does not acknowledge any of the actual realities. Large chunks of the population (such as many Latino communities) specifically chose not to join the protests so as to not instigate ICE violence that day. I saw that reported literally nowhere when it was happening and still gets glossed over in discussions today.
And of course a large chunk of the population voted for and still supports Trump. So that 6.5 million came from the half of the population that opposed Trump. The protesting crowds are trying to pull the other half from very deep seated indoctrination that news just can’t express. The absolute strangle hold that the Puritan “salt of the earth, pull yourself up by the bootstraps, rugged individual” mindset has is so deep rooted and is being fought against daily.
Around me there are constantly protests and movements still going on at least once a month, far from DC, trying to connect with those people and drag them to the side of empathy.
The national guard was mobilized to crack down on protests around the White House starting back in August. That’s still ongoing and yet there are still protests that try to organize and march around the White House. Doing so risks open warfare with a weaponized group of people so yes it doesn’t happen as much.
So yeah, as @A_norny_mousse@feddit.org said, it’s easy to judge from afar, but the actual on the ground reality here is complex.
t feels like the No Kings protests maybe weren’t reported in your area
Based on Wikipedia I just wrote a comment attributing no kings 5 mullion as is the highest estimate, which is 1.6% or maybe 2% if you discount children and the sick.
But still as I wrote earlier, compare that single day event to the noise generated by the Occupy Wall Street demonstration that lasted for 59 days!
The situation is worse now than it was then, but for some reason people are doing less?But it’s nice to hear that more is done than I thought. I hope it grows further.
If a turnout of 10% can be reached, there is no federal force big enough to stop that!Occupy Wall Street was a very vocal minority of idiots (my brother helped organize it though did not go himself, I’m intimately familiar with it). They kind of just wanted vague change and did not build a lasting movement, just screamed really loud.
And as I said, that 5 million number misses so many intricacies that are hard to describe, like all the groups that intentionally skipped for valid reasons.
Comparing the on the ground reality of the current efforts for change to Occupy Wall Street is like comparing apples and beef.
The problem is not the federal force which is why it might seem like we aren’t doing as much. The problem is the 50% of the country that still buys into the indoctrination and would vote the same people in again. A lot of focus in the general population has shifted to trying to educate and win over those people. That’s not really reflected in the media which is still largely owned by billionaires and likes to push the hatred and keep the working class divided.
Just look at all the red areas losing seats in the special elections. Look at NYC and Zohran Mamdani getting elected inspite of how much money and influence was pushed against him. That’s the sort of stuff people are working on right now.
The problem is not the federal force which is why it might seem like we aren’t doing as much. The problem is the 50% of the country that still buys into the indoctrination and would vote the same people in again. A lot of focus in the general population has shifted to trying to educate and win over those people.
Bingo. Spectators like to see everything in an easy, convenient Good vs. Evil standoff.
There’s a lot of decent people who are, for lack of a better word…stupid, but as a product of their environment. They grow up in right-wing areas, repeat the right-wing talking points from their right-wing parents watching fascist propagandist television.
The smaller number of Really Bad People’s whole goal is to influence a lot of decent but maleable people to champion irrational and horrible things, usually out of fear.
It’s a hard battle but we’re making some progress in cutting through the noise. Like leaving a cult, people are highly resistant to admitting they’ve been getting screwed the whole time, for generations, sometimes even.
Especially given how much the media and news organizations work to* avoid showing how much people are upset. There are small protests and community aid actions and folks yelling at their representatives constantly.
Fascism needs to seem cool and popular to work and the media companies are supporting the regime in their efforts.
*Typo correction
I can’t prove a negative, but it would be extremely easy to disprove my claim by pointing to massive demonstrations in USA that took more than a couple of days.
The no kings was promising but went nowhere, there is no obvious grass root movement.This should be bigger than occupy wall street but it isn’t.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_StreetRegarding the 2%, that’s about what it looks like, I haven’t made meticulous calculations or seen actual professional estimates, but I can tell you that 10% looks like a lot more than what we are seeing in USA.
This is what a massive demonstration looks like:
https://www.dw.com/en/bulgaria-sees-biggest-protest-in-years/a-74975871Tens of thousands of people took to the streets of the capital, Sofia, as well as at least a dozen other cities on Monday evening in the biggest protests the Balkan country has seen for years.
You may not see that there is an obvious problem in USA, even if the administration allows a Democratic administration to take over after next election.
The mere fact that Trump was elected, shows that the American society is sick.
You may call that another sweeping statement, but then it’s also a sweeping statement to say a person has cancer. Because it’s not all the cells in that persons body that are cancerous, in fact generally most of the cells are healthy. But that doesn’t help that person one bit when that person dies of cancer!!I would like to know why you want me to back up my statement, when you could easily disprove it if it isn’t true.
It seems like you want the entire country to openly go into civil war, while completely dismissing the actual things that are happening.
So just someone who wants to get on the USA hate train.
My dude, the hate train is going full steam and for many, too numerous to list reasons. you don’t have to deny reality to try and make it seem worse.
It seems like you want the entire country to openly go into civil war
And what in my comments makes you think that? Problem is that allegedly Trump is already using the national guard now to stop protests around the White house.
While he prevented them when he tried to make a coup when he lost last time.
Trump is a traitor, and he wants to end democracy, but maybe you don’t understand that?
We just had a record setting no kings protest. We are also very open to ideas and help
Every idea that’s suggested gets immediately shot down. I’ve resigned myself to the fact that America is a collapsing empire and am directing my efforts to keeping that collapse contained.
Which ideas specifically were shot down? Sorry to press, but I have yet to hear anything more than armchair action hero moaning
I already mentioned no kings, it was a one time event, and nothing was done to follow up on it. It was a good effort, but it didn’t have the result of creating a movement to continue the fight.
Try to compare with Occupy Wall Street, that lasted for 59 days, in a situation less critical than the current situation!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_StreetI already mentioned no kings, it was a one time event
No it was not a “one time event”.
Downvotes are for inaccurate statements that don’t contribute to the topic in question.
You’d probably be MAGA in your own country.
You are talking individuals and small groups. And it’s great that there is at least some resistance.
But the American population seen as a whole isn’t doing anything. There are no massive demonstration outside the White House, ICE isn’t blocked except in a few places.Why aren’t humans as a whole doing something about this? Why won’t the human race just do something!
This is kinda on you btw.
No American politics are for Americans to decide. European governments don’t even express an opinion, because it is considering meddling in internal affairs of a sovereign country.
Your strawman is wrong and stupid.
The revolution will not be televised.
OPSEC is a thing.
Thank you for your concern, but you should probably focus on efforts in your country to move towards this kind of system.
It doesn’t matter where you are in the world right now, there are efforts being made to bring fascism there.
The revolution will not be televised
Thanks for reminding me of this.
It still holds true - in a corporate media sense, not in a technical sense*. But people take videos all the time and share them on social media, and then others compile them.
* there are exceptions to this rule though, like The New Republic’s Christmas article.
It doesn’t matter where you are in the world right now, there are efforts being made to bring fascism there.
Oh yes, that threat is becoming more and more real, but the propaganda is originating from Russia and succeeded in USA, and USA is where it needs to be stopped, because it can still be stopped by democratic means. And because it is the American efforts that are more likely to succeed in EU.
But we should absolutely do to Russia what they’ve been doing to EU, UK, USA to amputate the west and NATO. But hopefully the sanctions from Ukraine on Russia will be working soon. So the Russian federation will collapse like the Soviet Union did.I don’t think The Trump and his gang of trillionaires will succeed in EU, but you are 100% right that we need to be careful.
But it would be sad if we lose USA entirely to this Russian bullshit, and it’s weird why so many of the richest people in USA are so willing to give up their own country?
Trump, Vance, Thiel, Musk, Ellis, Zuckerberg are all literally traitors to USA, humanity, democracy and decency.
I would love to see the American population take them all down.But it would be sad if we lose USA entirely to this Russian bullshit
From the bottom of my heart: Thank you.
So many people are viewing this crisis from afar as some sort of sardonic entertainment, even cheering for the whole country to go down along with everyone in it, because of what one incredibly loud and rich minority is doing to the country and her neighbors.
They don’t understand what that would do to a lot of damn good and decent people, and that attitude isn’t helping anything. They don’t understand threats just like this one are testing the fences in their very own backyard, looking for a single weakness to throw all their fundamental institutions into disarray.
We are still trying to stop this as reasonably as we can. We’re still trying to pressure our remaining sane lawmakers to do the right thing. We’re still pushing back while struggling to pay our friggin bills because, as it turns out, “full-time revolutionary” is a very limited-opportunity career path.
We’re trying to do this cleverly and safely, because if the excuse to enact “martial law” hits, we’re all in very real danger of state violence where nobody will be able to speak up ever again.
A lot needs to change, and it needs to change drastically, but just because we aren’t sandbagging at the Capitol doesn’t mean we aren’t fighting.
Thank you for at least understanding and feeling the loss of what this is doing to very real, very good people. I appreciate you dearly.
I wish you the best of luck.
I know you weren’t attacking me, but I still want to reply to this.
So many people are viewing this crisis from afar as some sort of sardonic entertainment
Maybe this was the case in 2016, but not anymore. Not for a long time. And not just me personally. People take it very seriously abroad. That said, I reserve the right to laugh at these idiots whenever I want to.
even cheering for the whole country to go down along with everyone in it
Again, no, this is not entertainment. However, I might have voiced opinions about there being no easy sustainable way out of this crisis, seeing how much I learned about the USA system of governance along the way.
Lastly, I have always been fully aware of the global implications, and usually include that in my comments. This concerns us all. Anybody abroad trying to wave it off with a laugh is an idiot.
Personally if there was something I alone could do to end this that doesn’t:
- Place my family in danger
- Require I die
- Has 100% chance of success
I’d be all-in in a heartbeat. The problem is each of my requirements has risk that fluctuates, and all three of them have never been worth-it enough at the same time.
Ironic coming from “Guy Fawkes”
No insurrection is easy and risk-free. I think that’s what bothers me and many other non-american commenters on here: the expectation of comfort even during resistance.
“Give me liberty or give me death” was not hyperbole at the time. Some things are worth dying for. Success is never certain. The only thing you can do, is fight.
Ha, ikr???
But here’s the thing - I’m of the opinion that there need to be some seismic changes and severe punishments for those who enabled this, both the bad actors and retarded MAGAts. Why the hell would I go it alone to fight for Dems when they won’t commit to ANY turnabout? The only way forward is doing what SHOULD’VE been done after the Civil War and stripping these Republican traitors from all levers of power for generations; I can’t even get my Rep to commit to jail time for these assholes, REGARDLESS OF ILLEGITIMATE PARDONS.
So for me to jump in there needs to be support and reasonable chances of success, because I’m NOT taking those risks if the Red Hats that caused it get off Scot-free again.
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Nobody said anything about putting yourself in danger.
Please give examples of what one person could do, that actually makes a change.
Organize a more robust civil society outside of religious institutions or institutions captured by oligarchs. This is the weak spot of the USA, and as long as it goes neglected, political change will always eventually skew back towards authoritarianism.
So, you might ask, how am I supposed to do that? Well it really really depends on who and where you are. Do you have money? Do you have time? Are you educated in a certain way? What is your skillset? Answer those questions and old farts like me can give you the benefit of experience.
Basically, be less of a hero individualist expecting measurable change with your name attached, and more in service of the community where you say we did that, and make pressure for change from there. You will have a lot of choices about how to personally make a difference from there.
tl;dr: you are asking the wrong people, and expecting the wrong results
Boycotts
Boycott what exactly?
The people and businesses who fund the political candidates, capitulate, or otherwise support facism. Stop buying from Walmart, target, home Depot, Amazon, Tesla, u-line, etc. buy things second hand and pay with cash. Stop using traditional social media (already here) It doesn’t have to be perfect, but do your best to be mindful of who you’re buying from.
That only works if everone does it.
Source: I’ve been too broke to buy shit for 2 or 3 years and the country is still in the toilet.
Oh good, we’ll boycott food production, banking, technology, firearms and transportation.
Cool.
I’ll just sit here then. Let me know when the revolution is over.
Oh for fucks sake, I’m not talking individuals here. You are making a strawman argument.
You need to seek out others who also want to do something, and there is plenty of opportunity for that with todays social media. Then you plan together what would be a good thing to do locally for your area.If others are doing something too, and their approach is more successful, you join them.
You collect a group, and do maybe 1 hour protests once a week to begin with, get peoples attention, and try to get more to join.
AFAIK that’s just about how grassroots movements get started.
Also you’ve had almost a year to figure something out now, how lame is it of you to ask this question now?Its not in the news, but we’re already doing what you mentioned. What else do we do?
They just want to whine about the US, they have no actual suggestions with merit and keep trying to dismiss any and all evidence that people are actually doing things.
If they were talking about Ukraine, I’d assume they’re a Russian bot.
Build a more secular, caring, educated, egalitarian society? Row together with others to move the whole boat.
Not a specious statement. People saying ‘what am I supposed to do?’ often seem to think they can put republicans out of office and the problem is solved. USA is culturally divided and class stratified, and the non-commercial sectors are under repression.
There is only so much one person can do, and I absolutely do not blame those Americans that actually voted against Trump, and those who are actively protesting.
It’s the remaining 90+% that are the problem.
At least the majority seems to be voting Democrat now, but it’s far from a sure thing there will be another presidential election.PS:
I have no idea why you got a downvote?I disagree that 90% of americans aren’t doing anything. I see protests literally every day, so I don’t know what you’re on about.
Double post due to lemmy bug.
Even peacefully protesting certain subjects is becoming dangerous. Wake up. We need strength in numbers and they be spent 40 years convincing us all that we’re “others”. It’s gonna take an extremely unifying event that affects everyone.
Closest thing in so far is the Epstein files.
Even peacefully protesting certain subjects is becoming dangerous.
So maybe you should all have started earlier? It’s not like this development was hard to spot already a few days into this administration.
Edit:
Wow the amount of butthurt people here who can’t stand to hear the truth is insane! 🤣
It’s not like it’s something I’m saying in hindsight, feel free to go back in my history and see what I wrote around the time Trump was inaugurated!
I predicted exactly that nothing would happen, because a majority of the American people was actually OK with the shit Trump was about to pull. Or at least OK/stupid enough to not be likely to do anything about it.
Every expert worth his/her salt warned before Trump was elected, that this second time would be way worse than the first, because the reigns are off. And that’s EXACTLY what we see now. Including destroying affordable healthcare which was VERY CLEARLY warned about that he would!!!
Don’t try to claim you didn’t know already back in the beginning of the year. Because if you didn’t, it’s only because you kept yourself willingly ignorant.
Does this glib response mean you have more contempt than suggestions? It’s fine if so, but if not we’d love your advice
What specific advice would you like? ‘What should I do’ isn’t answerable.
Suggestions aren’t necessary, the will to make an effort is what is lacking, not opportunities to oppose the administration.
Read my other posts for suggestions, and the obvious simple explanation of how grassroots movements work.Yeah being Navalny sounds really fun, thanks
That is hyperbolic for the USA, even if there are some risks. Maybe if you have a green card find back lines tasks instead of front lines. Seasoned activists who are part of the event can advise on specific tactics and strategies for a safe protest. Listen to them first.
Yes because people are sent to prison for protesting, and in American prisons you die of polonium poisoning after a few months. /s
Talk about a moronic straw man!!moronic straw man
Lol. Pot meet kettle.
Americans, like Russians, have been trained to be indifferent to politics and not get involved. It’s the result of decades of government not serving the people and showing them that their only power is to bring trouble upon themselves.
That is at the very least true in many cases. I hope Americans can overcome it.
Becoming?
🌎👩🚀🔫🧑🚀
Yes, they are about half way there. There are still legal options to oppose the administration.
When opposition needs to be classified as legal, you’re losing.
Things are brewing
propaganda works in keeping people in complacency, and keeping some of them high enough wage they wont revolt. also creating a culture helps with that.
So, recording illegal shit done by an administration headed up by a convict is “terrorism” now.
So much freedom.
“Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.”
Good luck with that. I hope I get called to jury duty for one of those cases.
does no one remember the 2000s? the whole point of calling something terrorism is to circumvent due process. no jury, not even a lawyer.
They are blocking offshore wind turbines due to unspecified “classified national security issues” as a gimmick to block legal appeals.
How optimistic of you, to think there will be a trial. Those camps are ultimately for us all.
They’re currently building a 30,000 bed facility in Guantanamo Bay, presumably to hold people they can’t deport, like American citizen “domestic terrorists.” Our very own CECOT.
“Domestic terrorists”
It’s always the ones you mostly suspect.
Or the ones to come where they work us as actual chattel slaves and kill those they deem subhuman.
This amounts to lowering the bar for those willing to say “if I’m going to be a terrorist then fuck it” and start shooting. It’s irresponsible and dangerous.
“Tewwowism is wen I dun lyk it :(”
–The Department of Just
iceKnowingly Doing Obviously Illegal CrapAny excuse to escalate is fine by them.
And being anti fascist is terrorism now too, hmm I’m beginning to think being a “terrorist” these days is pretty cool
Time to invest in some monkey bars like it’s 2002, baybeeeee! 😎
Funny jokes to tell Judges on the record.
