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It feels like the No Kings protests maybe weren’t reported in your area unless that’s the 2% you mean? The DC protest around the White House drew 200,000 people. That’s just the DC protest which is not a large area. DC only has a population of 700,000. The larger metro area around DC had numerous protests as well.
Nationwide roughly 6.5 million protested in October. That was the largest protest in US history if I’m not mistaken. Calling it “just 2%” does not acknowledge any of the actual realities. Large chunks of the population (such as many Latino communities) specifically chose not to join the protests so as to not instigate ICE violence that day. I saw that reported literally nowhere when it was happening and still gets glossed over in discussions today.
And of course a large chunk of the population voted for and still supports Trump. So that 6.5 million came from the half of the population that opposed Trump. The protesting crowds are trying to pull the other half from very deep seated indoctrination that news just can’t express. The absolute strangle hold that the Puritan “salt of the earth, pull yourself up by the bootstraps, rugged individual” mindset has is so deep rooted and is being fought against daily.
Around me there are constantly protests and movements still going on at least once a month, far from DC, trying to connect with those people and drag them to the side of empathy.
The national guard was mobilized to crack down on protests around the White House starting back in August. That’s still ongoing and yet there are still protests that try to organize and march around the White House. Doing so risks open warfare with a weaponized group of people so yes it doesn’t happen as much.
So yeah, as @A_norny_mousse@feddit.org said, it’s easy to judge from afar, but the actual on the ground reality here is complex.
t feels like the No Kings protests maybe weren’t reported in your area
Based on Wikipedia I just wrote a comment attributing no kings 5 mullion as is the highest estimate, which is 1.6% or maybe 2% if you discount children and the sick.
But still as I wrote earlier, compare that single day event to the noise generated by the Occupy Wall Street demonstration that lasted for 59 days!
The situation is worse now than it was then, but for some reason people are doing less?
But it’s nice to hear that more is done than I thought. I hope it grows further.
If a turnout of 10% can be reached, there is no federal force big enough to stop that!
Occupy Wall Street was a very vocal minority of idiots (my brother helped organize it though did not go himself, I’m intimately familiar with it). They kind of just wanted vague change and did not build a lasting movement, just screamed really loud.
And as I said, that 5 million number misses so many intricacies that are hard to describe, like all the groups that intentionally skipped for valid reasons.
Comparing the on the ground reality of the current efforts for change to Occupy Wall Street is like comparing apples and beef.
The problem is not the federal force which is why it might seem like we aren’t doing as much. The problem is the 50% of the country that still buys into the indoctrination and would vote the same people in again. A lot of focus in the general population has shifted to trying to educate and win over those people. That’s not really reflected in the media which is still largely owned by billionaires and likes to push the hatred and keep the working class divided.
Just look at all the red areas losing seats in the special elections. Look at NYC and Zohran Mamdani getting elected inspite of how much money and influence was pushed against him. That’s the sort of stuff people are working on right now.
The problem is not the federal force which is why it might seem like we aren’t doing as much. The problem is the 50% of the country that still buys into the indoctrination and would vote the same people in again. A lot of focus in the general population has shifted to trying to educate and win over those people.
Bingo. Spectators like to see everything in an easy, convenient Good vs. Evil standoff.
There’s a lot of decent people who are, for lack of a better word…stupid, but as a product of their environment. They grow up in right-wing areas, repeat the right-wing talking points from their right-wing parents watching fascist propagandist television.
The smaller number of Really Bad People’s whole goal is to influence a lot of decent but maleable people to champion irrational and horrible things, usually out of fear.
It’s a hard battle but we’re making some progress in cutting through the noise. Like leaving a cult, people are highly resistant to admitting they’ve been getting screwed the whole time, for generations, sometimes even.
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It feels like the No Kings protests maybe weren’t reported in your area unless that’s the 2% you mean? The DC protest around the White House drew 200,000 people. That’s just the DC protest which is not a large area. DC only has a population of 700,000. The larger metro area around DC had numerous protests as well.
Nationwide roughly 6.5 million protested in October. That was the largest protest in US history if I’m not mistaken. Calling it “just 2%” does not acknowledge any of the actual realities. Large chunks of the population (such as many Latino communities) specifically chose not to join the protests so as to not instigate ICE violence that day. I saw that reported literally nowhere when it was happening and still gets glossed over in discussions today.
And of course a large chunk of the population voted for and still supports Trump. So that 6.5 million came from the half of the population that opposed Trump. The protesting crowds are trying to pull the other half from very deep seated indoctrination that news just can’t express. The absolute strangle hold that the Puritan “salt of the earth, pull yourself up by the bootstraps, rugged individual” mindset has is so deep rooted and is being fought against daily.
Around me there are constantly protests and movements still going on at least once a month, far from DC, trying to connect with those people and drag them to the side of empathy.
The national guard was mobilized to crack down on protests around the White House starting back in August. That’s still ongoing and yet there are still protests that try to organize and march around the White House. Doing so risks open warfare with a weaponized group of people so yes it doesn’t happen as much.
So yeah, as @A_norny_mousse@feddit.org said, it’s easy to judge from afar, but the actual on the ground reality here is complex.
Based on Wikipedia I just wrote a comment attributing no kings 5 mullion as is the highest estimate, which is 1.6% or maybe 2% if you discount children and the sick.
But still as I wrote earlier, compare that single day event to the noise generated by the Occupy Wall Street demonstration that lasted for 59 days!
The situation is worse now than it was then, but for some reason people are doing less?
But it’s nice to hear that more is done than I thought. I hope it grows further.
If a turnout of 10% can be reached, there is no federal force big enough to stop that!
Occupy Wall Street was a very vocal minority of idiots (my brother helped organize it though did not go himself, I’m intimately familiar with it). They kind of just wanted vague change and did not build a lasting movement, just screamed really loud.
And as I said, that 5 million number misses so many intricacies that are hard to describe, like all the groups that intentionally skipped for valid reasons.
Comparing the on the ground reality of the current efforts for change to Occupy Wall Street is like comparing apples and beef.
The problem is not the federal force which is why it might seem like we aren’t doing as much. The problem is the 50% of the country that still buys into the indoctrination and would vote the same people in again. A lot of focus in the general population has shifted to trying to educate and win over those people. That’s not really reflected in the media which is still largely owned by billionaires and likes to push the hatred and keep the working class divided.
Just look at all the red areas losing seats in the special elections. Look at NYC and Zohran Mamdani getting elected inspite of how much money and influence was pushed against him. That’s the sort of stuff people are working on right now.
Bingo. Spectators like to see everything in an easy, convenient Good vs. Evil standoff.
There’s a lot of decent people who are, for lack of a better word…stupid, but as a product of their environment. They grow up in right-wing areas, repeat the right-wing talking points from their right-wing parents watching fascist propagandist television.
The smaller number of Really Bad People’s whole goal is to influence a lot of decent but maleable people to champion irrational and horrible things, usually out of fear.
It’s a hard battle but we’re making some progress in cutting through the noise. Like leaving a cult, people are highly resistant to admitting they’ve been getting screwed the whole time, for generations, sometimes even.