Love that you’re like “we all know shrimp sends you to christian hell, but wife discipline? Seems farfetched!”
Corinthians, ephesians, most books of the Bible reiterate that women must submit to their husbands:
“Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.”
And to not submit to their husbands is to go against God.
“But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.”
And guess what happens if your husband asks you for dinner and you say no?
“So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.”
Eve’s decision to prioritize her own desires over God’s instructions led to disastrous consequence including physical death and eternal obeisance.
“Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.”
“Genesis 2:18-24 “And the lord god said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him”
Christian women are servants to men, and if they defy men, they defy god. Through all of every version of the bible, the Christian punishment for defiance is death.
I was worried there were too many quotes for you and removed a few, but I’ll simplify it further:
Women must obey every desire of their husband, according to the word of god(cooking dinner, for example). Disobeying the word of god is punishable by death.
No, it’s not. In fact, verse numbers weren’t a thing until a few centuries ago.
I would say that you have done one of the worst jobs of biblical interpretation I have ever seen, but if you, for whatever reason, think that it’s just a random assortment of verses, then it’s understandable why your take was so bad. So I’ll pose and answer two questions.
Who carries out the punishment of death?
What is God’s instruction to the husband?
These are questions which are only answerable if you don’t use the Bible like it’s a cherry tree.
The punishment of death is carried out by God. Who are sinners? The same writing that says “the punishment for sin is death” says “all have sinned”. What that means is the reason we die is BECAUSE of sin, so God punishes us with death.
If you kept reading on in what you originally quoted, you would have seen a much greater burden put on the Husband.
Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
Christ is God. So husbands must somehow try and love their wives with perfect love. This is the same God who keeps forgiving even the worst sins, and died in a horrific manner in order to save them. So husbands are expected to die for their wives. And taking the bullet is the easy bit- you may need to die to your own desires or preferences in order to show love to your wife. Maybe you were saving some money to go to a sports game with your mates, but your wife really wants a nice date. To die to yourself would be to use that money to go on a nice date with your wife.
“who carries out the punishment?”
christ and/or Christians
“What is god’s instruction to the husband?”
To be the master
next two instead of 3 and 4:
1 again. “Who are sinners?”
Those who defy jesus.
2 again. “…if you kept reading…much greater burden on the husband…”
i’ve read the bible in full, there is no “greater burden” put on the master.
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart”
Sounds reeeal tough for the slave owners, having all that respect and sincerity from their slaves…no, it is not more difficult for a man to go on a date with his wife than it is for a wife to be eternally damned for not cooking her husband dinner.
John 8:1-11, Jesus clearly states that it’s not our place to carry out a death penalty.
And Jesus Christ is our Master. He is the perfect Master. So husbands should use Christ as their role model.
The other 1 and 2,
1: Yes, anyone who defies God is a sinner.
2: The aforementioned master literally was rejected, tortured and died for mankind.
Slaves obeying their masters is a show of humility, same as “turn the other cheek”.
A husband would be eternally damned for that date by your logic. You have an issue with the eternal damnation, yet the Master - Christ - absorbed that punishment for us so we wouldn’t have to bear it. You’re speaking as if a wife suddenly loses her salvation and becomes unforgivable by God because she failed to cook dinner.
“Jesus clearly states that it’s not our place to carry out a death penalty.”
and still christians have always and continue to carry out the death penalty.
“jesus is…the perfect master…”
a. jesus is an imperfect master: his flock is full of pedophiles, murderers and rapists.
b. being a perfect slave master is not good for the slaves. You may aspire to owning slaves, but that doesn’t make owning slaves admirable or righteous.
2 again: “…died for mankind.”
jesus was here a few years and then lives in paradise forever in your book. his suffering was brief and insignificant relative to eternal life.
Important to note that all the evidence we have supports the christian bible being a fictional story, largely made up and revised over the years to create a myth to subjugate people like yourself. It’s an interesting piece of creative writing, but there are limits to how far you should base your real life on a book about owning slaves and worshiping fear that inspired one of the largest and most harmful cults in history.
and still christians have always and continue to carry out the death penalty.
That doesn’t mean that they’re supposed to and you cannot define an ideology by how it’s adherents act.
jesus is an imperfect master: his flock is full of pedophiles, murderers and rapists.
Basically any institution involving humans, this is the case. That’s because humans are corrupt and sinful. God punishes evil.
being a perfect slave master is not good for the slaves. You may aspire to owning slaves, but that doesn’t make owning slaves admirable or righteous.
I know. Slave owning isn’t righteous. Are you accusing me personally aspiring to own slaves?
jesus was here a few years and then lives in paradise forever in your book. his suffering was brief and insignificant relative to eternal life.
And because of Him dying, it can be similar for us. We suffer a while and then have eternal life. Congratulations, You’ve figured it out.
Important to note that all the evidence we have supports the christian bible being a fictional story, largely made up and revised over the years to create a myth to subjugate people like yourself.
No there isn’t. And who’s subjugating me exactly? My prime minister is an atheist. Rejecting the Bible has always been a first step in subjugation in recent history.
It’s an interesting piece of creative writing, but there are limits to how far you should base your real life on a book about owning slaves and worshiping fear that inspired one of the largest and most harmful cults in history.
It’s not about owning slaves or worshipping fear, and Christianity has been a net benefit for humanity.
“…cannot define an ideology by how it’s adherents act”
An ideology is, in practice, defined by its adherents.
“…humans are corrupt and wild…”
correct, jesus is not a perfect master
“are you accusing me…”
I wasn’t, but you do admire masters and worship a book glorifying slavery.
“Slave owning isn’t righteous”
Owning slaves is righteous according to the christian bible.
Time to scrutinize your values.
the christian bible is all about fearing retribution for your actions instead of making moral choices and positively affecting the world through good will and critical thinking.
it is christian to own slaves and to be a master to your slaves according to the christian bible, what you see as the word of the christian god. you are defying the christian god by claiming owning slaves is not righteous.
“It’s not about owning slaves or worshipping fear”
By its own text, the christian bible is a book about worshiping fear and glorifying slavery.
but that’s okay because it’s just a book, one of millions, and there’s a much bigger, and real, world out there with better lessons you can learn from.
Love that you’re like “we all know shrimp sends you to christian hell, but wife discipline? Seems farfetched!”
Corinthians, ephesians, most books of the Bible reiterate that women must submit to their husbands:
“Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.”
And to not submit to their husbands is to go against God.
“But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.”
And guess what happens if your husband asks you for dinner and you say no?
“So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.”
Eve’s decision to prioritize her own desires over God’s instructions led to disastrous consequence including physical death and eternal obeisance.
“Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.”
“Genesis 2:18-24 “And the lord god said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him”
Christian women are servants to men, and if they defy men, they defy god. Through all of every version of the bible, the Christian punishment for defiance is death.
Why?
“For the wages of sin is death”.
Before I address your insane cherry-picking, where did you get the whole “murder your wife in the name of christ for not cooking dinner” from.
your bible is a cherry tree.
I was worried there were too many quotes for you and removed a few, but I’ll simplify it further:
Women must obey every desire of their husband, according to the word of god(cooking dinner, for example). Disobeying the word of god is punishable by death.
1, 2.
No, it’s not. In fact, verse numbers weren’t a thing until a few centuries ago.
I would say that you have done one of the worst jobs of biblical interpretation I have ever seen, but if you, for whatever reason, think that it’s just a random assortment of verses, then it’s understandable why your take was so bad. So I’ll pose and answer two questions.
Who carries out the punishment of death?
What is God’s instruction to the husband?
These are questions which are only answerable if you don’t use the Bible like it’s a cherry tree.
The punishment of death is carried out by God. Who are sinners? The same writing that says “the punishment for sin is death” says “all have sinned”. What that means is the reason we die is BECAUSE of sin, so God punishes us with death.
If you kept reading on in what you originally quoted, you would have seen a much greater burden put on the Husband.
Ephesians 5:25
Christ is God. So husbands must somehow try and love their wives with perfect love. This is the same God who keeps forgiving even the worst sins, and died in a horrific manner in order to save them. So husbands are expected to die for their wives. And taking the bullet is the easy bit- you may need to die to your own desires or preferences in order to show love to your wife. Maybe you were saving some money to go to a sports game with your mates, but your wife really wants a nice date. To die to yourself would be to use that money to go on a nice date with your wife.
god’s answers:
“who carries out the punishment?” christ and/or Christians
“What is god’s instruction to the husband?” To be the master
next two instead of 3 and 4:
1 again. “Who are sinners?” Those who defy jesus.
2 again. “…if you kept reading…much greater burden on the husband…” i’ve read the bible in full, there is no “greater burden” put on the master.
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart”
Sounds reeeal tough for the slave owners, having all that respect and sincerity from their slaves…no, it is not more difficult for a man to go on a date with his wife than it is for a wife to be eternally damned for not cooking her husband dinner.
The eternal damnation is a greater burden.
John 8:1-11, Jesus clearly states that it’s not our place to carry out a death penalty.
And Jesus Christ is our Master. He is the perfect Master. So husbands should use Christ as their role model.
The other 1 and 2,
1: Yes, anyone who defies God is a sinner.
2: The aforementioned master literally was rejected, tortured and died for mankind.
Slaves obeying their masters is a show of humility, same as “turn the other cheek”.
A husband would be eternally damned for that date by your logic. You have an issue with the eternal damnation, yet the Master - Christ - absorbed that punishment for us so we wouldn’t have to bear it. You’re speaking as if a wife suddenly loses her salvation and becomes unforgivable by God because she failed to cook dinner.
and still christians have always and continue to carry out the death penalty.
a. jesus is an imperfect master: his flock is full of pedophiles, murderers and rapists.
b. being a perfect slave master is not good for the slaves. You may aspire to owning slaves, but that doesn’t make owning slaves admirable or righteous.
2 again: “…died for mankind.”
jesus was here a few years and then lives in paradise forever in your book. his suffering was brief and insignificant relative to eternal life.
Important to note that all the evidence we have supports the christian bible being a fictional story, largely made up and revised over the years to create a myth to subjugate people like yourself. It’s an interesting piece of creative writing, but there are limits to how far you should base your real life on a book about owning slaves and worshiping fear that inspired one of the largest and most harmful cults in history.
That doesn’t mean that they’re supposed to and you cannot define an ideology by how it’s adherents act.
Basically any institution involving humans, this is the case. That’s because humans are corrupt and sinful. God punishes evil.
I know. Slave owning isn’t righteous. Are you accusing me personally aspiring to own slaves?
And because of Him dying, it can be similar for us. We suffer a while and then have eternal life. Congratulations, You’ve figured it out.
No there isn’t. And who’s subjugating me exactly? My prime minister is an atheist. Rejecting the Bible has always been a first step in subjugation in recent history.
It’s not about owning slaves or worshipping fear, and Christianity has been a net benefit for humanity.
“…cannot define an ideology by how it’s adherents act”
An ideology is, in practice, defined by its adherents.
“…humans are corrupt and wild…”
correct, jesus is not a perfect master
“are you accusing me…”
I wasn’t, but you do admire masters and worship a book glorifying slavery.
“Slave owning isn’t righteous”
Owning slaves is righteous according to the christian bible.
Time to scrutinize your values.
the christian bible is all about fearing retribution for your actions instead of making moral choices and positively affecting the world through good will and critical thinking.
it is christian to own slaves and to be a master to your slaves according to the christian bible, what you see as the word of the christian god. you are defying the christian god by claiming owning slaves is not righteous.
“It’s not about owning slaves or worshipping fear”
By its own text, the christian bible is a book about worshiping fear and glorifying slavery.
but that’s okay because it’s just a book, one of millions, and there’s a much bigger, and real, world out there with better lessons you can learn from.