John 8:1-11, Jesus clearly states that it’s not our place to carry out a death penalty.
And Jesus Christ is our Master. He is the perfect Master. So husbands should use Christ as their role model.
The other 1 and 2,
1: Yes, anyone who defies God is a sinner.
2: The aforementioned master literally was rejected, tortured and died for mankind.
Slaves obeying their masters is a show of humility, same as “turn the other cheek”.
A husband would be eternally damned for that date by your logic. You have an issue with the eternal damnation, yet the Master - Christ - absorbed that punishment for us so we wouldn’t have to bear it. You’re speaking as if a wife suddenly loses her salvation and becomes unforgivable by God because she failed to cook dinner.
“Jesus clearly states that it’s not our place to carry out a death penalty.”
and still christians have always and continue to carry out the death penalty.
“jesus is…the perfect master…”
a. jesus is an imperfect master: his flock is full of pedophiles, murderers and rapists.
b. being a perfect slave master is not good for the slaves. You may aspire to owning slaves, but that doesn’t make owning slaves admirable or righteous.
2 again: “…died for mankind.”
jesus was here a few years and then lives in paradise forever in your book. his suffering was brief and insignificant relative to eternal life.
Important to note that all the evidence we have supports the christian bible being a fictional story, largely made up and revised over the years to create a myth to subjugate people like yourself. It’s an interesting piece of creative writing, but there are limits to how far you should base your real life on a book about owning slaves and worshiping fear that inspired one of the largest and most harmful cults in history.
and still christians have always and continue to carry out the death penalty.
That doesn’t mean that they’re supposed to and you cannot define an ideology by how it’s adherents act.
jesus is an imperfect master: his flock is full of pedophiles, murderers and rapists.
Basically any institution involving humans, this is the case. That’s because humans are corrupt and sinful. God punishes evil.
being a perfect slave master is not good for the slaves. You may aspire to owning slaves, but that doesn’t make owning slaves admirable or righteous.
I know. Slave owning isn’t righteous. Are you accusing me personally aspiring to own slaves?
jesus was here a few years and then lives in paradise forever in your book. his suffering was brief and insignificant relative to eternal life.
And because of Him dying, it can be similar for us. We suffer a while and then have eternal life. Congratulations, You’ve figured it out.
Important to note that all the evidence we have supports the christian bible being a fictional story, largely made up and revised over the years to create a myth to subjugate people like yourself.
No there isn’t. And who’s subjugating me exactly? My prime minister is an atheist. Rejecting the Bible has always been a first step in subjugation in recent history.
It’s an interesting piece of creative writing, but there are limits to how far you should base your real life on a book about owning slaves and worshiping fear that inspired one of the largest and most harmful cults in history.
It’s not about owning slaves or worshipping fear, and Christianity has been a net benefit for humanity.
“…cannot define an ideology by how it’s adherents act”
An ideology is, in practice, defined by its adherents.
“…humans are corrupt and wild…”
correct, jesus is not a perfect master
“are you accusing me…”
I wasn’t, but you do admire masters and worship a book glorifying slavery.
“Slave owning isn’t righteous”
Owning slaves is righteous according to the christian bible.
Time to scrutinize your values.
the christian bible is all about fearing retribution for your actions instead of making moral choices and positively affecting the world through good will and critical thinking.
it is christian to own slaves and to be a master to your slaves according to the christian bible, what you see as the word of the christian god. you are defying the christian god by claiming owning slaves is not righteous.
“It’s not about owning slaves or worshipping fear”
By its own text, the christian bible is a book about worshiping fear and glorifying slavery.
but that’s okay because it’s just a book, one of millions, and there’s a much bigger, and real, world out there with better lessons you can learn from.
An ideology is, in practice, defined by its adherents.
No, it isn’t. Nobody seriously considers North Korea to be a proper example of “socialism”.
I wasn’t, but you do admire masters and worship a book glorifying slavery.
Not, we don’t.
Owning slaves is righteous according to the christian bible.
No, it isn’t.
it is christian to own slaves and to be a master to your slaves according to the christian bible, what you see as the word of the christian god. you are defying the christian god by claiming owning slaves is not righteous.
No, it’s not.
the christian bible is all about fearing retribution for your actions instead of making moral choices and positively affecting the world through good will and critical thinking.
Except it’s clear you aren’t saved by works. Peculiar that. And it is about moral choices, you cannot have morality without a religion. You can act morally, yes. You can be moral, yes. But you cannot have it.
but that’s okay because it’s just a book, one of millions, and there’s a much bigger, and real, world out there with better lessons you can learn from.
Not really. At the end of the world, none of these silly human materialist ideas will matter.
Your arguments are so bad, you claim to have read the Bible, what drugs were you on? I’m almost convinced you graduated from the University of Reddit or something.
Patient is not perfect. A perfect master teaches and controls his disciples perfectly. jesus does not teach and control his disciples. His disciples hurt and kill people, they hoard wealth.
jesus is a bad master.
“No, it isnt”
Adherents of a philosophy, in practice(in practical application, or the “real world”), define how that philosophy interacts with the world.
Think of all the different christian sects defining and defending different perspectives of the same words, harming and killing others over their own confusion and fear.
“christians” define christianity and how christianity exists in the world.
“Not, we don’t”
The christian bible glorifies slavery as righteous. You worship that book.
“No, it isnt”
Slavery according to the christian bible:
“All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect”
“Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them,”
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything”
The Bible glorifies slavery as righteous and christian.
According to the christian bible, It is christian to own slaves and for those slaves to be willing slaves to their masters.
But it’s one silly book among millions, you don’t have to worship selfishness, misogyny and slavery if you choose not to.
Patient is not perfect. A perfect master teaches and controls his disciples perfectly. jesus does not teach and control his disciples. His disciples hurt and kill people, they hoard wealth.
He does exactly that- teach and control them.
On hoarding wealth:
Matthew 19:16-22
And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” The young man said to him, “All these I have kept. What do I still lack?” Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Luke 12:16-21
And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully, and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’ And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’ But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’ So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God.”
On violence:
Luke 22:50-51
And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. But Jesus said, “No more of this!” And he touched his ear and healed him.
Matthew 5:38-42
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
jesus is a bad master
No, those self proclaimed followers who hoard wealth, hurt, and kill, are bad disciples.
Think of all the different christian sects defining and defending different perspectives of the same words, harming and killing others over their own confusion and fear.
Christian denominations don’t hurt or kill each other. The vast majority of denominations coexist, and many participate in ecumenism. There is a general agreement between Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics and Protestants that we all are Christians and follow the same faith. We just practice it differently.
Slavery according to the christian bible:
That was about humility and submission to authority, with the hope that by your humility and submission you’d be a Christian witness to your master. Jesus didn’t preach violence- He preached turning the other cheek, and this is consistent with that. As was said, you may suffer for a while, but in the end you’ll be free eternally. All of the slaves from when that was written have been freed.
None of what you cited encourages taking slaves.
According to the christian bible, It is christian to own slaves
No, it’s not.
But it’s one silly book among millions, you don’t have to worship selfishness, misogyny and slavery if you choose not to.
The Bible doesn’t preach these things, and we don’t worship these things. We worship the God who became man, lived a humble life, preached humility and died so we can spend eternity free. The Bible is more about humility, it’s your own selfishness which is clouding it.
And if a religion is defined by how it’s people behave, we sing the hymn “Amazing Grace” which was written by an ex slave trader. In the hymn he refers to his past life before coming to the Faith as a “wretch” and “I once was lost”
John Newton, 1778
How industrious is Satan served. I was formerly one of his active undertemptors and had my influence been equal to my wishes I would have carried all the human race with me. A common drunkard or profligate is a petty sinner to what I was.
I doubt you’ve actually read the Bible - Jesus’ constant teaching of humility, false prophets, etc are quite clear. You are just recycling old washed out anti-theist talking points. This Advent, I challenge you to read Matthew’s Gospel. You might be surprised. You can even listen to it in the background, it’s just two and a half hours long.
John 8:1-11, Jesus clearly states that it’s not our place to carry out a death penalty.
And Jesus Christ is our Master. He is the perfect Master. So husbands should use Christ as their role model.
The other 1 and 2,
1: Yes, anyone who defies God is a sinner.
2: The aforementioned master literally was rejected, tortured and died for mankind.
Slaves obeying their masters is a show of humility, same as “turn the other cheek”.
A husband would be eternally damned for that date by your logic. You have an issue with the eternal damnation, yet the Master - Christ - absorbed that punishment for us so we wouldn’t have to bear it. You’re speaking as if a wife suddenly loses her salvation and becomes unforgivable by God because she failed to cook dinner.
and still christians have always and continue to carry out the death penalty.
a. jesus is an imperfect master: his flock is full of pedophiles, murderers and rapists.
b. being a perfect slave master is not good for the slaves. You may aspire to owning slaves, but that doesn’t make owning slaves admirable or righteous.
2 again: “…died for mankind.”
jesus was here a few years and then lives in paradise forever in your book. his suffering was brief and insignificant relative to eternal life.
Important to note that all the evidence we have supports the christian bible being a fictional story, largely made up and revised over the years to create a myth to subjugate people like yourself. It’s an interesting piece of creative writing, but there are limits to how far you should base your real life on a book about owning slaves and worshiping fear that inspired one of the largest and most harmful cults in history.
That doesn’t mean that they’re supposed to and you cannot define an ideology by how it’s adherents act.
Basically any institution involving humans, this is the case. That’s because humans are corrupt and sinful. God punishes evil.
I know. Slave owning isn’t righteous. Are you accusing me personally aspiring to own slaves?
And because of Him dying, it can be similar for us. We suffer a while and then have eternal life. Congratulations, You’ve figured it out.
No there isn’t. And who’s subjugating me exactly? My prime minister is an atheist. Rejecting the Bible has always been a first step in subjugation in recent history.
It’s not about owning slaves or worshipping fear, and Christianity has been a net benefit for humanity.
“…cannot define an ideology by how it’s adherents act”
An ideology is, in practice, defined by its adherents.
“…humans are corrupt and wild…”
correct, jesus is not a perfect master
“are you accusing me…”
I wasn’t, but you do admire masters and worship a book glorifying slavery.
“Slave owning isn’t righteous”
Owning slaves is righteous according to the christian bible.
Time to scrutinize your values.
the christian bible is all about fearing retribution for your actions instead of making moral choices and positively affecting the world through good will and critical thinking.
it is christian to own slaves and to be a master to your slaves according to the christian bible, what you see as the word of the christian god. you are defying the christian god by claiming owning slaves is not righteous.
“It’s not about owning slaves or worshipping fear”
By its own text, the christian bible is a book about worshiping fear and glorifying slavery.
but that’s okay because it’s just a book, one of millions, and there’s a much bigger, and real, world out there with better lessons you can learn from.
Jesus is a perfect master. He is patient.
No, it isn’t. Nobody seriously considers North Korea to be a proper example of “socialism”.
Not, we don’t.
No, it isn’t.
No, it’s not.
Except it’s clear you aren’t saved by works. Peculiar that. And it is about moral choices, you cannot have morality without a religion. You can act morally, yes. You can be moral, yes. But you cannot have it.
Not really. At the end of the world, none of these silly human materialist ideas will matter.
Your arguments are so bad, you claim to have read the Bible, what drugs were you on? I’m almost convinced you graduated from the University of Reddit or something.
“jesus is a perfect master. he is patient.”
Patient is not perfect. A perfect master teaches and controls his disciples perfectly. jesus does not teach and control his disciples. His disciples hurt and kill people, they hoard wealth.
jesus is a bad master.
“No, it isnt”
Adherents of a philosophy, in practice(in practical application, or the “real world”), define how that philosophy interacts with the world.
Think of all the different christian sects defining and defending different perspectives of the same words, harming and killing others over their own confusion and fear.
“christians” define christianity and how christianity exists in the world.
“Not, we don’t”
The christian bible glorifies slavery as righteous. You worship that book.
“No, it isnt”
Slavery according to the christian bible:
“All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect”
“Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them,”
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything”
The Bible glorifies slavery as righteous and christian.
According to the christian bible, It is christian to own slaves and for those slaves to be willing slaves to their masters.
But it’s one silly book among millions, you don’t have to worship selfishness, misogyny and slavery if you choose not to.
He does exactly that- teach and control them.
On hoarding wealth:
Matthew 19:16-22
Luke 12:16-21
On violence:
Luke 22:50-51
Matthew 5:38-42
No, those self proclaimed followers who hoard wealth, hurt, and kill, are bad disciples.
Christian denominations don’t hurt or kill each other. The vast majority of denominations coexist, and many participate in ecumenism. There is a general agreement between Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics and Protestants that we all are Christians and follow the same faith. We just practice it differently.
That was about humility and submission to authority, with the hope that by your humility and submission you’d be a Christian witness to your master. Jesus didn’t preach violence- He preached turning the other cheek, and this is consistent with that. As was said, you may suffer for a while, but in the end you’ll be free eternally. All of the slaves from when that was written have been freed.
None of what you cited encourages taking slaves.
No, it’s not.
The Bible doesn’t preach these things, and we don’t worship these things. We worship the God who became man, lived a humble life, preached humility and died so we can spend eternity free. The Bible is more about humility, it’s your own selfishness which is clouding it.
And if a religion is defined by how it’s people behave, we sing the hymn “Amazing Grace” which was written by an ex slave trader. In the hymn he refers to his past life before coming to the Faith as a “wretch” and “I once was lost”
John Newton, 1778
I doubt you’ve actually read the Bible - Jesus’ constant teaching of humility, false prophets, etc are quite clear. You are just recycling old washed out anti-theist talking points. This Advent, I challenge you to read Matthew’s Gospel. You might be surprised. You can even listen to it in the background, it’s just two and a half hours long.
2:09 if you want to skip the genealogy