“…cannot define an ideology by how it’s adherents act”
An ideology is, in practice, defined by its adherents.
“…humans are corrupt and wild…”
correct, jesus is not a perfect master
“are you accusing me…”
I wasn’t, but you do admire masters and worship a book glorifying slavery.
“Slave owning isn’t righteous”
Owning slaves is righteous according to the christian bible.
Time to scrutinize your values.
the christian bible is all about fearing retribution for your actions instead of making moral choices and positively affecting the world through good will and critical thinking.
it is christian to own slaves and to be a master to your slaves according to the christian bible, what you see as the word of the christian god. you are defying the christian god by claiming owning slaves is not righteous.
“It’s not about owning slaves or worshipping fear”
By its own text, the christian bible is a book about worshiping fear and glorifying slavery.
but that’s okay because it’s just a book, one of millions, and there’s a much bigger, and real, world out there with better lessons you can learn from.
An ideology is, in practice, defined by its adherents.
No, it isn’t. Nobody seriously considers North Korea to be a proper example of “socialism”.
I wasn’t, but you do admire masters and worship a book glorifying slavery.
Not, we don’t.
Owning slaves is righteous according to the christian bible.
No, it isn’t.
it is christian to own slaves and to be a master to your slaves according to the christian bible, what you see as the word of the christian god. you are defying the christian god by claiming owning slaves is not righteous.
No, it’s not.
the christian bible is all about fearing retribution for your actions instead of making moral choices and positively affecting the world through good will and critical thinking.
Except it’s clear you aren’t saved by works. Peculiar that. And it is about moral choices, you cannot have morality without a religion. You can act morally, yes. You can be moral, yes. But you cannot have it.
but that’s okay because it’s just a book, one of millions, and there’s a much bigger, and real, world out there with better lessons you can learn from.
Not really. At the end of the world, none of these silly human materialist ideas will matter.
Your arguments are so bad, you claim to have read the Bible, what drugs were you on? I’m almost convinced you graduated from the University of Reddit or something.
Patient is not perfect. A perfect master teaches and controls his disciples perfectly. jesus does not teach and control his disciples. His disciples hurt and kill people, they hoard wealth.
jesus is a bad master.
“No, it isnt”
Adherents of a philosophy, in practice(in practical application, or the “real world”), define how that philosophy interacts with the world.
Think of all the different christian sects defining and defending different perspectives of the same words, harming and killing others over their own confusion and fear.
“christians” define christianity and how christianity exists in the world.
“Not, we don’t”
The christian bible glorifies slavery as righteous. You worship that book.
“No, it isnt”
Slavery according to the christian bible:
“All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect”
“Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them,”
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything”
The Bible glorifies slavery as righteous and christian.
According to the christian bible, It is christian to own slaves and for those slaves to be willing slaves to their masters.
But it’s one silly book among millions, you don’t have to worship selfishness, misogyny and slavery if you choose not to.
Patient is not perfect. A perfect master teaches and controls his disciples perfectly. jesus does not teach and control his disciples. His disciples hurt and kill people, they hoard wealth.
He does exactly that- teach and control them.
On hoarding wealth:
Matthew 19:16-22
And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” The young man said to him, “All these I have kept. What do I still lack?” Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Luke 12:16-21
And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully, and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’ And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’ But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’ So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God.”
On violence:
Luke 22:50-51
And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. But Jesus said, “No more of this!” And he touched his ear and healed him.
Matthew 5:38-42
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
jesus is a bad master
No, those self proclaimed followers who hoard wealth, hurt, and kill, are bad disciples.
Think of all the different christian sects defining and defending different perspectives of the same words, harming and killing others over their own confusion and fear.
Christian denominations don’t hurt or kill each other. The vast majority of denominations coexist, and many participate in ecumenism. There is a general agreement between Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics and Protestants that we all are Christians and follow the same faith. We just practice it differently.
Slavery according to the christian bible:
That was about humility and submission to authority, with the hope that by your humility and submission you’d be a Christian witness to your master. Jesus didn’t preach violence- He preached turning the other cheek, and this is consistent with that. As was said, you may suffer for a while, but in the end you’ll be free eternally. All of the slaves from when that was written have been freed.
None of what you cited encourages taking slaves.
According to the christian bible, It is christian to own slaves
No, it’s not.
But it’s one silly book among millions, you don’t have to worship selfishness, misogyny and slavery if you choose not to.
The Bible doesn’t preach these things, and we don’t worship these things. We worship the God who became man, lived a humble life, preached humility and died so we can spend eternity free. The Bible is more about humility, it’s your own selfishness which is clouding it.
And if a religion is defined by how it’s people behave, we sing the hymn “Amazing Grace” which was written by an ex slave trader. In the hymn he refers to his past life before coming to the Faith as a “wretch” and “I once was lost”
John Newton, 1778
How industrious is Satan served. I was formerly one of his active undertemptors and had my influence been equal to my wishes I would have carried all the human race with me. A common drunkard or profligate is a petty sinner to what I was.
I doubt you’ve actually read the Bible - Jesus’ constant teaching of humility, false prophets, etc are quite clear. You are just recycling old washed out anti-theist talking points. This Advent, I challenge you to read Matthew’s Gospel. You might be surprised. You can even listen to it in the background, it’s just two and a half hours long.
So your belief is that jesus teaches christians to rape children and murder people. Weird take, but it does sound christian.
If you pretend jesus preaches pedophilia, violence and greed – I guess he does promote incest when lot fucks his daughters - then he is a pretty bad master, since some christians have sex with their own children and murder people but some don’t.
jesus has no control over Christians.
On hoarding wealth:
Many self-professed Christians hoard wealth, defying their book rule that "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
Jesus, terrible teacher since all his greedy disciples are hoarding wealth in direct defiance of him. He has no control over his disciples.
“the bible doesn’t teach these things”
Quotes provided above praise the selfishness of men, misogyny and dominion over women, and the christian righteousness of slavery.
When you worship that book or its writers, you are worshiping incest, selfishness, misogyny and slavery, among other “sins”.
“we sing amazing grace”
does not help all the kids christians raped, hospitals bombed or the people dying every hour from hoarded christian wealth.
This is the difference between the real world, where christians regularly harm people, and a novel like the bible, which you are pretending does not include its own direct quotes about slavery. Which is crazy, because the bible praises and promotes slavery and slave owners a LOT.
“I doubt you’ve read the bible.”
doubt away thomas. you seem very unfamiliar with the christian bible.
or you’re pretending the christian bible doesn’t promote incest, slavery, misogyny and selfishness despite direct biblical quotes.
I’m quoting relevant, accurate passages and dealing with the text honestly, you either haven’t read the christian bible or are pretending you haven’t read it because you are aware how embarrassing and immoral it is to worship slavery and incest.
To be fair, It is very christian of you to hide from the reality and consequences of your professed faith and ignore the actual text.
“…cannot define an ideology by how it’s adherents act”
An ideology is, in practice, defined by its adherents.
“…humans are corrupt and wild…”
correct, jesus is not a perfect master
“are you accusing me…”
I wasn’t, but you do admire masters and worship a book glorifying slavery.
“Slave owning isn’t righteous”
Owning slaves is righteous according to the christian bible.
Time to scrutinize your values.
the christian bible is all about fearing retribution for your actions instead of making moral choices and positively affecting the world through good will and critical thinking.
it is christian to own slaves and to be a master to your slaves according to the christian bible, what you see as the word of the christian god. you are defying the christian god by claiming owning slaves is not righteous.
“It’s not about owning slaves or worshipping fear”
By its own text, the christian bible is a book about worshiping fear and glorifying slavery.
but that’s okay because it’s just a book, one of millions, and there’s a much bigger, and real, world out there with better lessons you can learn from.
Jesus is a perfect master. He is patient.
No, it isn’t. Nobody seriously considers North Korea to be a proper example of “socialism”.
Not, we don’t.
No, it isn’t.
No, it’s not.
Except it’s clear you aren’t saved by works. Peculiar that. And it is about moral choices, you cannot have morality without a religion. You can act morally, yes. You can be moral, yes. But you cannot have it.
Not really. At the end of the world, none of these silly human materialist ideas will matter.
Your arguments are so bad, you claim to have read the Bible, what drugs were you on? I’m almost convinced you graduated from the University of Reddit or something.
“jesus is a perfect master. he is patient.”
Patient is not perfect. A perfect master teaches and controls his disciples perfectly. jesus does not teach and control his disciples. His disciples hurt and kill people, they hoard wealth.
jesus is a bad master.
“No, it isnt”
Adherents of a philosophy, in practice(in practical application, or the “real world”), define how that philosophy interacts with the world.
Think of all the different christian sects defining and defending different perspectives of the same words, harming and killing others over their own confusion and fear.
“christians” define christianity and how christianity exists in the world.
“Not, we don’t”
The christian bible glorifies slavery as righteous. You worship that book.
“No, it isnt”
Slavery according to the christian bible:
“All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect”
“Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them,”
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything”
The Bible glorifies slavery as righteous and christian.
According to the christian bible, It is christian to own slaves and for those slaves to be willing slaves to their masters.
But it’s one silly book among millions, you don’t have to worship selfishness, misogyny and slavery if you choose not to.
He does exactly that- teach and control them.
On hoarding wealth:
Matthew 19:16-22
Luke 12:16-21
On violence:
Luke 22:50-51
Matthew 5:38-42
No, those self proclaimed followers who hoard wealth, hurt, and kill, are bad disciples.
Christian denominations don’t hurt or kill each other. The vast majority of denominations coexist, and many participate in ecumenism. There is a general agreement between Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics and Protestants that we all are Christians and follow the same faith. We just practice it differently.
That was about humility and submission to authority, with the hope that by your humility and submission you’d be a Christian witness to your master. Jesus didn’t preach violence- He preached turning the other cheek, and this is consistent with that. As was said, you may suffer for a while, but in the end you’ll be free eternally. All of the slaves from when that was written have been freed.
None of what you cited encourages taking slaves.
No, it’s not.
The Bible doesn’t preach these things, and we don’t worship these things. We worship the God who became man, lived a humble life, preached humility and died so we can spend eternity free. The Bible is more about humility, it’s your own selfishness which is clouding it.
And if a religion is defined by how it’s people behave, we sing the hymn “Amazing Grace” which was written by an ex slave trader. In the hymn he refers to his past life before coming to the Faith as a “wretch” and “I once was lost”
John Newton, 1778
I doubt you’ve actually read the Bible - Jesus’ constant teaching of humility, false prophets, etc are quite clear. You are just recycling old washed out anti-theist talking points. This Advent, I challenge you to read Matthew’s Gospel. You might be surprised. You can even listen to it in the background, it’s just two and a half hours long.
2:09 if you want to skip the genealogy
“he does exactly that- teach and control them.”
So your belief is that jesus teaches christians to rape children and murder people. Weird take, but it does sound christian.
If you pretend jesus preaches pedophilia, violence and greed – I guess he does promote incest when lot fucks his daughters - then he is a pretty bad master, since some christians have sex with their own children and murder people but some don’t.
jesus has no control over Christians.
On hoarding wealth:
Many self-professed Christians hoard wealth, defying their book rule that "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
Jesus, terrible teacher since all his greedy disciples are hoarding wealth in direct defiance of him. He has no control over his disciples.
“the bible doesn’t teach these things”
Quotes provided above praise the selfishness of men, misogyny and dominion over women, and the christian righteousness of slavery.
When you worship that book or its writers, you are worshiping incest, selfishness, misogyny and slavery, among other “sins”.
“we sing amazing grace”
does not help all the kids christians raped, hospitals bombed or the people dying every hour from hoarded christian wealth.
This is the difference between the real world, where christians regularly harm people, and a novel like the bible, which you are pretending does not include its own direct quotes about slavery. Which is crazy, because the bible praises and promotes slavery and slave owners a LOT.
“I doubt you’ve read the bible.”
doubt away thomas. you seem very unfamiliar with the christian bible.
or you’re pretending the christian bible doesn’t promote incest, slavery, misogyny and selfishness despite direct biblical quotes.
I’m quoting relevant, accurate passages and dealing with the text honestly, you either haven’t read the christian bible or are pretending you haven’t read it because you are aware how embarrassing and immoral it is to worship slavery and incest.
To be fair, It is very christian of you to hide from the reality and consequences of your professed faith and ignore the actual text.